A Tornado Blew thru his Playroom

United States
March 9, 2009 1:30pm CST
I'm looking for guidance on this... When my son was still an infant, I used to get stressed out over the huge messes he would make in his playroom and nursery. I would spend hours every day just going around behind him putting stuff back in it's spot only to find him coming along behind me taking it all out again. I finally found some advice in some column that explained that this was the baby's method of playing. It very clearly stated that baby's need chaos and that it's a way for them to learn. So I learned to let it go. Fast forward to now; my son is 3 1/2 now and still does this. I mean, EVERY SINGLE bin in his playroom is dumped out! I go in and find a virtual MOUNTAIN of Legos, trucks, puzzles, books, Mr Potato Head, Letters and CD cases! He has that Parents Puzzle set, the one with the alphabet, numbers, shapes, animals and bugs... All five puzzles and each of the GAZILLION pieces end up on the floor. He has this Alphbet puzzle set that has 3 pieces to each letter... And OMG the MR Potato Head bin is the killer! Anyway, do you think he's old enough for me to expect him to clean this up? He doesn't do it all the time... maybe once a month. Last time he did it, I sat there and made him pick up everything and put it back in it's rightful spot. I started each bin to show him where everything went and then just sat there. It took hours, I was fuming, he was crying... I refused to help him even though it would have been easier, faster and less stressful for us both. He's not a baby anymore and I don't see the point in what he's doing... Was I too hard on him? Do you think it's still like when he was a baby... and still craves the chaotic environment? He was taught 'clean up' when he was very little and usually will do his own clean up, but it's usually a few toys, not every single item in his room! Thoughts? Ideas? TIA
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@dismalgrin (2604)
• United States
10 Mar 09
Although your son is old enough to help clean, I wouldn't expect him to do it all his own. While it is true that he is not a baby anymore, he still is a very young child. Children this age are little copycats, they also are huge investors in anythings that gets your attention. So, I would try to put a little effort into not letting him know that the mess gets to you. Something I do with my 3 year old is walk into the room, see the mess and start in my sing songy mommy voice 'Oh wow Patsy! What a mess! Can you help me clean it up?' I very deliberate put a toy in the bin 'Yay mommy! Can you do that?' I wait to see if she does it, if she doesn't do it right away I laugh and say 'Oh, well Patsy knows how to take them out of the box, but doesn't know how to put them away?' I put another toy in the bin 'Yay mommy!' Usually by this time she is a little interested in just what the big deal is, and she will put a toy away. 'Yay Patsy!' Then we clap and dance around for a little bit and then I say 'Who do you think can it the fastest?' And then she darts around trying to put them in and I pick up the toys nearest to me to put them away. When the room is all clean I jump around some more 'Yay Patsy wins! Patsy's a big girl!' We have to run through this routine a lot. And usually my 6 year old wants to join in on all the fun so I have to praise her too. Haha. My 6 year old is pretty much to the point that she will come to me and say 'Mommy, I have a surprise for you.' So, I go and look and she will have her room cleaned. It's not perfect, but I don't demand perfection from my kids, just their personal best. I jump around and hug her and kiss her and thank her for doing such a wonderful job as a gift to me. You and I would often think that this is just something our children should do because it is the right thing to do, but children tend to put a lot of emphisis on rewards. We tried the candy reward system in our house for awhile, but that did not work out. My oldest would pick up one toy at a time and demand her candy for each one. Haha. So, I use praise, they really want to do the best job they can as they get older because they want to impress the socks off of you! Even teenagers are like that sometimes. My 14 and 18 year old sisters will rush to clean my mom's house before she gets off work in the evenings to see her surprised and pleased face when she walks in the door! And I heard that my grandma even gets my grandpa to clean up her house while she is gone useing a similer meathod. Praise really works well with everyone I guess, I think since most of us didn't really grow up with this it's hard to think that this might be all it takes, but I really do stand by my methods!
@buggles64 (2709)
• United States
10 Mar 09
You are very right, always include praise when talking to your child. They love it when they can impress you.
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• United States
10 Mar 09
Hi there, thank you for your response! I do get (NOW) that one of the reasons he does this is to get my attention and I completely see that my getting angry is not helping. I will try your advise and not let him know how much it bothers me, and I agree that he still needs to be rewarded for cleaning up, not just expected to do it. I was looking at it only from my point of view, not enough from his, you're right. I should mention that he has in the past come running up to me to tell me that he cleaned up and was so proud of himself! I gave him the appropriate, "All right, buddy, thank you for helping mommy, you're such a nice boy" high fives and kisses. You're right, too about how we grew up; it does affect our parenting. I wasn't rewarded for doing what I did, I was simply told what was expected of me and I did it only for that reason. So I guess I just look at this situation the same way; for the rest of his life he will have to clean up after himself and I thought it would be a lesson better learned earlier than later. Again, thank you for your response. I'll try it and see how it goes.
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• United States
11 Mar 09
Do let me know how it goes! I know that there isn't really a one size fits all in parenting because every child is different. (wouldn't it be great it is was that simple?) Haha. But, seriously, I wish you all the luck in your parents. And I praise you for thinking to ask for advice, it takes a really big person on the inside to do that. I haven't always wanted to. Haha. Thanks for the best response.
@Jae2619 (1483)
• United States
9 Mar 09
Yes, he's old enough to start helping clean up. I have two children one who's 6 now, and an 18 month old daughter. Both have learned from an early age that clean up is something they have to do. With my 18 month old, we make it into a game, and sing a song... Clean up, Clean up, Everybody everywhere, clean up, clean up, Everybody do their share, and she loves it. That song come from my son's 4k class. Though she sometimes don't get it all, she get's some of it and she is learning. Try making it a daily thing, at a certain time so he'll be come use to it and part of his daily routine, that way it's not a big deal to him when you tell him it's time to clean up.
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• United States
9 Mar 09
Hi Jae! We sing that same song! LOL. I think we heard it first on Barney... I'm not really having the issue with everyday little messes, he was taught early too and he usually complies. The issue is strictly on the ENTIRE ROOM being destroyed, for no apparent reason and then expecting Mommy to get down on her hands and knees and sorting Letters, bugs, trucks, Legos and Mr Potato pieces! The magnitude of the mess is infuriating and I want him to know that it's not nice to do that to mommy! I was just worried that I was being mean, I guess, because I could see that he was overwhelmed. But at the same time, I WANTED him to see how I felt... Thanks for listening!
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@Jae2619 (1483)
• United States
9 Mar 09
You're welcome. My son who's 6 still has days where he thinks he must play with every toy he has in his room. He makes the biggest mess and expects me as well to clean it up, though I don't. He made the mess, he cleans it up. I tell him, I don't play with his toys, I don't clean them up, he get's mad, but does clean it up. I do wish you luck on getting him to tackle his messes.
@cher913 (25782)
• Canada
9 Mar 09
go to a store that will let get bins that can stack or whatnot; what about baskets? anyways, when my girls were little we used to have a 5 minute tidy. we actually set a timer (or played a song) that way its not too overwhelming. another thing we used to do was when a toy comes out, a toy goes away.
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• United States
9 Mar 09
Hi Cher, thanks for the response. We do have a clean up routine and he's usually really good at it.. We sing that dumb "clean up, clean up" song and he has fun singing with me and cleaning up. And usually, if I'm actually in there with him he will put his toys away as he moves on to something else. I actually am suspecting that he's doing this because he's upset that I'm not in there playing too...
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• United States
9 Mar 09
My daughter will be 3 in July and she purposely waits for her brothers to clean and organize the toys in the play room they all share, then she sneaks in there and destroys everything she can reach. I solved this by putting all of her toys in her room. Now if she wants to play with them the mess is where she sleeps and she has a fit if one block is out of place while it is in her room. I don't have to force her to clean it up because she does it all by herself. But I can't stop her from destroying the play room even though her toys aren't in there. When I made her clean up the mess she made in the play room she screamed and cried and through things at me but eventually it all got cleaned up and now when she goes in there it is just to torment her brothers while they are trying to build something. I don't think you were too hard on your son. He is almost ready for preschool where he will be expected to pick up after himself and put things away. Better he get used to it and throw his fits at home then in a school environment.
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• United States
9 Mar 09
Hello there, thank you for the response. Honestly, I was giggling as I read about your daughter! I commented to another that I'm beginning to suspect he's upset with me for not playing with him or he's bored... I go in there and I get "TA DA Mom, lookit all the stuff!" You're right about school, actually he is in 0-K now and has positively rave reviews from his teacher. Aside from his room destroying stunts, he's very good about doing everyday, small clean ups... I know what I did was overwhelming to him. I just was worried that I was being MEAN or maybe expecting too much of him.
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@buggles64 (2709)
• United States
10 Mar 09
It is not unreasonable for you to expect your three year old to pick up after himself, but you have to give him an environment where he is capable of picking up after himself. Take out a few toys, and put them in labeled bins with pictures, he might not be reading yet, but if he knows where the toys go, he will have an easier time of picking up. Also, how many picture books does he have? Sometimes less is more. Keep these to a minimum that he is allowed to have out. Pack some of these toys away and rotate them like you do your wardrobe...you don't wear summer clothes in the winter, you pack them away. Don't get rid of the toys, just pack them away and switch the toys out occasionally. When you switch toys out, he will be ecstatic when you bring them back...it will be like getting a new toy. Also, make a game of cleaning his room....go in and start helping him, showing him where they go, pretty soon he will be able to accomplish the task of cleaning his room by himself (with the exception of making his bed, which he'll probably need help with) I hope this advice works for you. Good luck.
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• United States
10 Mar 09
Hi Buggles, His bins aren't labeled, but i usually start them for him. I'll put one lego in the appropriate bin, a few pieces of Mr. potatohead in it's bin etc until there's a toy in each of his appropriate bins, so he can see what's where. I do think perhaps you're right, I may have to reduce the number of some of his things. I didn't see it as having too much stuff because when the room was clean, there was a place for everything... but I see now that for his age, there may be more benefit to taking/packing away some stuff and rotating it. I do rotate stuff, but so far have only done it a few times each year. Everyone has given such good advice and I appreciate yours as well. I'll give it a try!
9 Mar 09
When I was little my babysitter used to alternate toys every few weeks or so. Not only to keep us from having a ton of toys out but also to make it seem like "new" toys. She would keep all the toys in bins and label them. Then store the ones we weren't using that week in the garage or spare room. It was a space saver in the sense we had more room to play with th toys we had, and a few toys are alot easier to clean up than a few bins worth of them.
• United States
9 Mar 09
Thanks for your response Jamie, I do this too, alternate the toys, I mean. He has a pretty big playroom so I'm not worried about space to play, but I do like to keep the newness aspect.