Non Believers in Religious Section
By jason1308
@jason1308 (1586)
France
March 21, 2009 5:33am CST
I have noticed that the majority of discussions in this section, the Religious section, seem to be from people who don't believe, or the discussion is against discussion.
Now I believe that everybody has their own choice to believe or not believe, but if you don't believe, what the heck are you doing in a Religious section in the first place ?
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17 responses
@ulalume (713)
• United States
21 Mar 09
Religion is a very diverse topic. Another word for "religion" could be "belief system" which is why so many people flock to this section. I am a Satanist, Wiccan, Atheist, Hindu (or whatever). I come here to seek some sort of answers. I mean, what are religious people doing in the religious section if they can't even answer the most simple of religious questions? I'm not one to go out and bash other peoples beliefs, but I like discussing them on here. It helps me learn about myself and other people. There are decent people on both the religious and sacreligious sides of the fence, and there are also some ridiculously ignorant people as well. I think thats why most of us would come into the religious section on here.
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@jason1308 (1586)
• France
21 Mar 09
I agree with you that religion is a very diverse topic, and people of all beliefs will obviously come to this section if you are searching for answers. What I cannot understand though is how non believers will flock to this section when it is obvious in their questions that they have no intention of creating a religious discussion, of what ever religion, but are intent in upsetting people just because they choose to believe.
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@ulalume (713)
• United States
21 Mar 09
That is the big problem, isn't it? Your question is very sensible and I think all of us, religious or non-religious, have likely asked the question "Why is this person posting here?" Some posts are just so downright stupid and blatantly bait for someone to come in and get flamed, but I think the majority of posts on here are decent and thought out enough to make us happy. It is just like real life though. Most people are not...overly...ignorant and will at least be able to have a normal discussion. However, it is the ridiculous people that make us not want to even discuss things in the first place.
@PrarieStyle (2486)
• United States
22 Mar 09
Ha, ha I have seen it on other sites as well. One site I'm on, one Atheist only posts topics making fun of Christians and Christianity. It's as if they can convert us from our beliefs. They are like Atheist Evangelists.
I honestly don't know very many people who gave up a true relationship with the Lord to be an Atheist. In fact, I have never met a single person. I was born and raised Atheist. I have been on both sides of the fence. And now, every day I live my love for the Lord and my faith in him only grows stronger as also does my desire to grow closer.
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@jason1308 (1586)
• France
23 Mar 09
Thanks PrarieStyle for your response, and I have to admit I have learnt a new phrase from you 'Atheist Evangelists'.
I am glad you have found the correct path to the Lord, and that your faith in him grows stronger by the Day.
Happy MyLotting and God Bless
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@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
22 Mar 09
It is very simple. They want to turn you away from your faith. If they can get you to say God does not exist, then they would have won. Now there are those who are curious and who are searching, but they are few. So now you know why they turn out to be the first ones that answer the posts. Once they get in, and others that are also atheists and non-believers get in, then they hope to discourage any believers in except for the ministers or those who know their beliefs backwards and forwards, and can quote a bible verse, know where it is in the Bible, what chapter, and what it refers to.
The one who comes to mind is Gn-- who is always telling that Abram never existed, I presume because he did not get his picture done in stone, or his business appeared in cuniform in the UR Chaldean Express in ancient Mesopotamia.
@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
24 Mar 09
You're welcome. I am thinking of one particular one. I guess you know who I am talking about. The trouble is that these people have a lot of head knowledge, and they are able to get the pieces of the Bible and separate them to make them believe what they want to believe and what they want us to question.
For instance, when the Bible talks about the Israelite worshiping Baal and all the hosts of heaven, they seem to think that God commanded it.
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@jason1308 (1586)
• France
23 Mar 09
Thanks suspenseful for your response, so well put as well, and would tend to agree with you as well.
Happy MyLotting
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@jason1308 (1586)
• France
16 Apr 09
Thank you for taking the time to respond, and I would probarly tend to agree with you on your point.
Happy MyLotting
@yushen1008 (357)
• Philippines
22 Mar 09
maybe they just want to post and don't even bother if their posting is related to the topic or not.
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@jason1308 (1586)
• France
23 Mar 09
I think that you probably be right with that point Yushen, anything just to make a post.
Happy MyLotting
@kerriannc (4279)
• Jamaica
22 Mar 09
But this is the way to convert them. All believers were non before they were converted. It is for the believers here in MYLOT not to be contradictory and work together to win these souls.
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@jason1308 (1586)
• France
23 Mar 09
Although it would be nice to see everyone converted to believe, I respect that everyone has a choice to believe or not to believe, everyone has freedom of will to decide, but at the same time it would be nice to also have some good constructive debates and discussions in this group as well instead of point scoring.
@KrauseHome (36447)
• United States
22 Mar 09
Actually this is quite an interesting thought for sure, but overall haven't we all found that there are many people who are always out there trying to or wanting to find fault with everything whether it be Religion or Politics. Just makes them happy to know that they could be offending someone as well. But personally maybe it is just due to a Bad experience in the past, or not had an experience with God in their life as well.
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@jason1308 (1586)
• France
23 Mar 09
Too True, although I don't mind a good lively debate and discussion as that is what we are here for, but some of the questions that are proposed are not like questions for debate but anti religion statements, and it then makes it hard to get a discussion going with it.
Happy MyLotting
@Ravenladyj (22902)
• United States
21 Mar 09
well just because I dont drive a car doesnt mean I dont have an opinion on driving or cars....and just for clarification what is a "non believer" as you personally define it..Some ppl think that I'M a nonbeliever because I'm not a Christian..but they are wrong..I AM a believer..it just so happens I believe in something OTHER THAN what Christians do
@jason1308 (1586)
• France
21 Mar 09
I am not saying that you can't have an opinion, but if couldn't drive a car, would you join a car group, or if you didn't have or like in cell phones would you then join the cellphone group, and then after joining these groups start discussions against what the topic is meant to be about ?
@dreamssri (1796)
• India
21 Mar 09
@ Ravenladyj:
Now,please dont start a religion war...he was just talking about the believers and non believers...and not about christianity and other religion(well,im also not a christian!)
@Ravenladyj (22902)
• United States
23 Mar 09
but if couldn't drive a car, would you join a car group, or if you didn't have or like in cell phones would you then join the cellphone group, and then after joining these groups start discussions against what the topic is meant to be about?
LOL well I dont drive or own a cell phone BUT I can honestly say that yes i would join a car forum if I found one that interested me becuase I LOVE cars..Cell phone group though? naw..not interesting enough for me LOL...
I think the key thing everyone needs to remember is actually a couple of things..main one being there are MANY religious and spiritual paths out there so you'll find MANY different ppl posting in these sorts of threads....and the other thing is..what may SEEM like beign "against" the discussion to you or someone else isnt necessarily how it is..its just how you perceive it...make sense?
Dreams - what the hell are you talking about?? how am I starting a "religous war"
@Latrivia (2878)
• United States
21 Mar 09
The point of the religious section is to discuss religion. It is not exclusive to religious users. Even us non-religious folks have opinions on religion that we want to share.
It's kind of like creationists going in to the evolution section. Just because they don't accept it, doesn't mean they can't talk about it.
@jason1308 (1586)
• France
23 Mar 09
If that is what my question implies then it isn't meant to imply that, as I have no problem with people posting question for or against religion or religions as long it is done in a respectful way for both sides of the debate.
@barehugs (8973)
• Canada
21 Mar 09
I am a believer! I gave up organized Religion many years ago and began to study Yoga and Spirituality. I am a firm believer in God. I am thankful every moment of the Day for the Blessings I receive from God. I see God in every aspect of my Life. Now you tell me whats wrong with that?
@jason1308 (1586)
• France
23 Mar 09
Barehugs, I don't see anything wrong with that and I am glad that you see God in every aspect of your life.
God Bless
@celticflower29 (82)
• United States
21 Mar 09
Absolutely, nothing wrong with that! I see every, new day as a gift.
@Adoniah (7513)
• United States
22 Mar 09
I think it would be great if folks could actually discuss religion here. I have tried it in the past. Folks were polite, but we did not discuss much. They just said to be careful or a religion war would start.lol
I have seen othere people try the same thing and they either got the same response I got or they were attacked. Right now there is some idiot going around and tagging discussions with childish words that distress some folks. But they do not have the courage to actually write anything of substance.
This is the religion section and we should discuss religion. Both the differences and the commonalities. Not how to convert though. That would just blow the whole place up.
Shalom~Salaam~Peace~Adoniah
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@jason1308 (1586)
• France
23 Mar 09
Well this is the point that I am trying to put across, that regardless of which religion you are, it would be nice if more of the discussions were based on religion than trying to destroy the subject.
Thanks for replying
@cream97 (29086)
• United States
23 Mar 09
Hi, jason1308! I guess they just want to give their opinion of their non dis belief to others. They want other people to know how they truly feel about God and religion. That would be my opinion of why they are in the religious section discussing their point of view.
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@jason1308 (1586)
• France
23 Mar 09
Thanks Cream97 for your response, I think that you might have a point with what you say.
Happy Mylotting
@shalli17here (627)
• Indonesia
22 Mar 09
ufff..im not a Non Believers, i wanna be here and join some of the discussions to learn about others. what are their thoughts about God, but it wont affect me from what i believe in Allah.
i would ask the same Question with u Jason and willing to know what other will answer without judging 'em.. ;)
@jason1308 (1586)
• France
23 Mar 09
I try not to judge others when ever it is possible as it is not my place to judge,
@Anora_Eldorath (6028)
• United States
21 Mar 09
Jason-
I am not sure what your religious preference or spiritual beliefs are, but who is to say that because people do not believe what you believe they are non-believers? Do you know just how many "religions" there are in the world? Just in the traditionally recognized world religions there is: Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism, Indiginous/Native Religions, and Islam. Only recently have people started to recognize the broad range of Pagan religions, though in most instances it is still not considered a "World Religion" by most religious scholars. That said, there is a lot more to it then just this. You have sects and denominations within traditions. This makes for a complex diverse world. If you want to get technical there are hundreds if not thousands of faith traditions in the world today.
So, why would someone not come to the religion interest of Mylot to discuss such things? I have seen some very interesting discussions in this interest since I joined Mylot. This particular interest is not just for one sect or belief system, but a general area to discuss the multitude of beliefs. You state that you support everyone believing what they wish, so it would make sense for this to be the place for people to share with one another and learn from one another.
Namaste-Anora
@jason1308 (1586)
• France
23 Mar 09
Thanks Anora_Eldorath for your detailed reply on the thousands of religions that are in the world and I have no problem with anyone discussing any religion in a religion section, as that is what I would expect, but that is not what I asked.
@Anora_Eldorath (6028)
• United States
23 Mar 09
If that is not what you asked then perhaps you could clarify what you were asking, because that is what you wrote. You referred to people as "non-believers". Who were you referring to then?
Namaste-Anora
@owlwings (43910)
• Cambridge, England
21 Mar 09
Non-belief is just as much a religion for some people. I think that religiosity gets up their noses, so they want to argue about it - or they want to bait those who 'believe' into trying to tell them why they should believe.
A great many discussions are just not worth the pixels but a few are interesting and worth debating.
@jason1308 (1586)
• France
21 Mar 09
I agree with you on this, and many a time I have looked in this section and saw that the discussions started bear no resemblance to Religion, and they obviously are waiting for some poor victim to take the bait, so they can then rip them to shreds.
I just find it so odd that if someone was so anti religion, why would they then even want to be in this section.
Thanks for your response
@ShardAerliss (1488)
•
21 Mar 09
An attempt to convert, I assume. By non-believer, you mean the rabid atheists who do not so much have a curiosity about spirituality and faith, so much as want to smash people's beliefs.
'Religion' scares some people. They equate religion to all the horrors carried out by people in the name of a deity or belief system. They cannot seem to understand that a person can believe in something without physical evidence and yet not be a dangerous crazy... and you can be a dangerous crazy coming from the other end.
So these scared people try to 'convert' the religious (all religious), try to force them into not believing by throwing questions at them. For some, this actually works. I've known of one Muslim that became an atheist after someone simply said "but there might not be a god." He actually had never even tried to question the idea. For others, it only allows us to solidify our ideas and beliefs.
Which makes for failure on the converters' sides.
Of course, not every non-believer is here to convert. Not ever atheist is aspiritual (think I just made up a word)... so don't go assuming I'm talking about you, if you happen to be a curious atheist :P
And we are all, in one way or another, a non-believer. There's gotta be something you don't believe in, right?
@jason1308 (1586)
• France
23 Mar 09
Thanks shardAerliss for quite a comprehensive answer. wasn't quite expecting such an in-depth reply to what I thought was a simple question.
@dreamssri (1796)
• India
21 Mar 09
yeah1 you are right..i too have noticed this in this section....but you already have the answer for the question : "everybody has their own choice to believe or not believe"! we cannot stop anything...but we can respond to them! if they start a discussion about not believing,lets go and spread the word!
nowadays,many people(especially youth) think that its a fashion to tell that they don't believe in god,religion,etc,...in real life also i see many people like this..
@jason1308 (1586)
• France
21 Mar 09
Thanks dreamssri for your reply, I am glad that you have noticed this as well, and I have probably opened a can of words on this one as well.
I think it is important that we respond to others questions but be respectful of others opinion at the same time.
Happy MyLotting, and May God be with you.