Do you have be a good human to become a successful professional?

@mimpi1911 (25464)
India
April 4, 2009 1:49am CST
I have come across a few professionals who are extremely good with their job. They are smart and way above others in their respective fields but as people they are extremely rude and conceited. They are unpopular and hated among co-workers. I have been always taught to become a good human first and that integrity and values are key to become a successful person in life. How far ethics and morality is important in becoming a successful professional?
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
4 Apr 09
I can tell you first hand that NO you don't have to be a good human to become a highly successful professional. I come across many, many individuals that are highly accomplished in their work roles, yet are complete failures as people in my opinion. It's a dog eat dog world in many professions unfortunately and nice guys always finish last according to most. In my opinion, being able to have a balance of both drive, ambition AND solid morals and ethics is of course the ideal scenario, but it just isn't always going to cut it I'm afraid. I try to maintain a presence of both ideals, but at times I too have to exercise a negative side just to be heard or acknowledged among others. Such is life.
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@mimpi1911 (25464)
• India
6 Apr 09
Exactly my point there! Today's scenario is different and however shocking and off putting it may sound, it is actually true. Business ethics had been metamorphosed and today professional success doesn't have to be accompanied with humanity and morals.
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@mimpi1911 (25464)
• India
9 Apr 09
It has come to a point where it is an oxymoron James!
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
8 Apr 09
Some may argue that "Business Ethics" is actually an oxymoron and in many instances I would have to agree. Thank you kindly for the BR too, mimpi!
@dpk262006 (58678)
• Delhi, India
4 Apr 09
I think those who reach at the top develop some peculiar habits and traits and I feel that once they are on the top they become somewhat cynical, may be due to the responsibilities and nature of their job and not due to their own choice. When leading an Organization or when one is in control of an organization, the person tends to develop some kinds of abnormalities. However, those who keep their ethics intact, while scaling the heights are loved by one and all. There are some real gems who make a balance between their peers and subordinates and give due respect to all of them. I for one try to remain a good human being and do not part with my modesty, whenever I deal with equal level persons at my work place or with my subordinates. I feel success in life should not ride on your head and you should not forget the ground realities and your friends and colleagues, who helped you directly or indirectly to climb the ladder.
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@mimpi1911 (25464)
• India
9 Apr 09
Yes, deepak, we are known for our deeds and remembered for what we are and not how much money we made!
@dpk262006 (58678)
• Delhi, India
10 Apr 09
It is true Mimpi that money cannot be everything or just cannot establish good relations with others because you have plenty of money.
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@dpk262006 (58678)
• Delhi, India
8 Apr 09
Hi! Mimpi! Very true! If a person has very little humanity, he will die lonely and people will soon forget about him and his achievements. When we leave this world and physically no longer exist in this world, we are remembered for our humanity and good deeds for a long period and those who were nice and kind are always remembered by us in our hearts. We should not lose site of humanity, even if we scale many hights.
@alokn99 (5717)
• India
4 Apr 09
In my perspective successful professionals are those who are good at thier job and are respected by the people around them. This respect is not earned by being rude and concieted but by earning it with one's ethics and morality. Unfortunately, a lot of people are driven into this self centred, arrogant nature of competetiveness, thinking that it's the survival of the fittest. The success they achieve here is temporary. Further more this has a bearing and rebounds at them at some point of time. Also this can get detrimental to the growth of the individual in his company. Most professional companies today go through a process of evaluation wherein the feedback of the co-workers is given a lot of importance to. A colleague of mine in my previous organisation who fits a perfect example of the type that you had described was given a couple of warnings by the management before he was asked to leave. He was good at his work, but constantly rebuked his colleagues and subordinates. I would most certainly say that I would be a good human first and then strive to become a successful professional.
@alokn99 (5717)
• India
4 Apr 09
We are made to think like that. Many children are made to get into professions which are tune with social status. There are a lot of professionals who also come with the arrogance of knowing it all because of thier so called prestigious academic background and some because of a few years of experience. Then there are those who seem to be heartless with the "I do not care if you are sick, I want the work done by the end of the day".
@mimpi1911 (25464)
• India
4 Apr 09
We are made to think like that and we believe that in heart also. A criminal with a real motive always wins our heart than a sweet toothed achiever who undertakes immoral means. But today, we come across people who are at the top with professional glory and true credibility. Their credibility could no way be belittled but they are unpopular for their rude dispositions. I think, when we have the power we care the less. In many cases this is the case. We are mechanical, haughty, ill mannered and not bothered. This is a mechanised version of new corporate class!
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@mimpi1911 (25464)
• India
6 Apr 09
I agree. There is a difference between being strict yet human and being strict and care the less. I think a good task master, a good leader must be empathetic for that's what helps him to grow and become successful. You can be a tyrant and a king but at the end of the day with NO friends!
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@balasri (26537)
• India
4 Apr 09
Ethics and morality are undoubtedly the basic necessary qualities to be a successful professional.And while being a good human one has to be very firm in implementing a plan that he think is good for the company.If a person wants to be in the good books of everyone he will not be liked by everyone at the end of the day.It is impossible to please everyone. So the successful professional will have the real Satyam and pure humanity as his traits.
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@mimpi1911 (25464)
• India
4 Apr 09
This reminds of the adage, we can do nothing without others, we can nothing because of others. Its important that we keep a good rapport and this requires humanity and virtue of ethics. We cannot move up all alone. Its a mesh of social structure that we have to cater to. Having said this, recently I came across an ace doctor who is renowned worldwide but his gesture, attitude and dispositions smelled of pride and indignity towards others. Strangely, everyone is at awe! I think power has the last word.
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@balasri (26537)
• India
4 Apr 09
I am agreeing with you 100% Mimpi. As you know me I hate arrogance as mush you or anyone hates even if it comes from the most versatile person on the face of this earth. I just simply don’t recognize the existence of that person. I can visualize a picture of the doctor you are talking about because I have come across certain people like them. I just simply walk through them. And as far as the humanity is concerned I believe in what Mahatma told "You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty".
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@mimpi1911 (25464)
• India
6 Apr 09
What a person without integrity, humanity and ethics! A person lives a most futile life by losing virtue of humanity. I would rather die a beggar than a king without humanity.
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@cupid74 (11388)
• Pakistan
4 Apr 09
Hi dear well to me A good human can be a good professional, but sure not necessary that a good professional is good human tooo and u r right, to become a good human is difficult and important as compare to good professional take care
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@mimpi1911 (25464)
• India
8 Apr 09
I think a good human might not necessarily be a good professional and vice versa. How are you doing? Nice to see you after long.
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@mimpi1911 (25464)
• India
13 Apr 09
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@dany2391 (128)
• Romania
4 Apr 09
A good professional doesn't come over night.It takes years of studying, good will and other factors that make a good human.You can't succeed in life without good will and without having a good relationship with the people that surround you.Of course,along the way it may be necessary to do some things we don't like but that is human nature.In order to go forward ,we have to make some sacrifices,weather we like it or not.
@mimpi1911 (25464)
• India
8 Apr 09
I appreciate and agree. But do you really think that talent has to do anything with humanity?
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@riyasam (16556)
• India
4 Apr 09
when one becomes,suceessful,they become heady and forget their humble origins and the ones that helped them to be successful.according to me that is very wrong and they seem to have made more enemies than friends,so they are not able to enjoy their success.
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@mimpi1911 (25464)
• India
5 Apr 09
That's indeed the most inhuman thing. Getting successful has to be accompanied with not losing out integrity. I have seen professionals who just do not care but are good at their job. The mis match kind of perplexes me.
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@derek_a (10873)
4 Apr 09
I would think that you would have to FEEL that you are a good human to feel successful. Others though my see it the other way around. If you are not liked by others, I don't think financial and worldly success will make you very happy. - Derek
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@mimpi1911 (25464)
• India
6 Apr 09
You think like me Derek but the people who hardly care are happy with it!
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@drannhh (15219)
• United States
5 Apr 09
Well you know that all depends on how you define success, but I truly do believe that what comes around goes around and the people who take the wrong "shortcuts" in life will probably pay for it somehow, someday. Similarly, those of us who refuse to be bought or to bully their way through life will profit in the end. Character First!
@mimpi1911 (25464)
• India
6 Apr 09
I really appreciate your thoughts. However, I feel to be talented or professionally successful one might not require this character. A king who is a tyrant could be most hated but no one underestimates his power.
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@mimpi1911 (25464)
• India
8 Apr 09
I think talent has little to do with being good or bad. If one has it he just has it! However talent alone cannot make one successful. Its a conglomerate hand in hand collaboration. And I know a doctor who is an ace neurologist in the country but is extremely unpopular for his rude dispositions. Having said that, he is very successful professionally and he is happy that way!
@drannhh (15219)
• United States
7 Apr 09
Thank you :-) I'd just add that one can be a good person and do a good job and still be hated. Being good at one's job is not synonymous with being likeable. Whether the strongest (in the sense of being most powerful) king (or queen) is the best monarch, though, is an interesting question.
@Opal26 (17679)
• United States
4 Apr 09
Hi mimpi! Well, unfortunately not everyone feels like you and I do! Alot of professional people don't care who they step on to get where they want to go! They don't care if they are liked or not! In fact, some of them enjoy being disliked! I have met many professional people who are miserable and I don't think they care less how people feel about them. I worked for alot of attorneys and they are some of the nastiest people around and I can tell you that they don't care how anyone feels about them. They are mean and unfeeling and don't care if they walk all over their staff or their clients! As long as they get what they want and make money that's all they care about!
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@mimpi1911 (25464)
• India
6 Apr 09
Sometimes, I just wonder at the ways of the world. Some people are accomplished in their careers with the most inhumanely shameful dispositions! The equations sometimes do not match! We have been brought up with the principle of being good and never to lose ethics kind of stuffs but it seems that these people do not bother, do not care. They live in their world of conceit and pride!
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@paula27661 (15811)
• Australia
4 Apr 09
Hi mimpi!Good discussion...It depends on how you define success, after all true success is measured by one's basic values and how well respected he or she is. I don't think true achievement is just about a successful career and high earnings, those things are meaningless without morality and respect from peers. A person in a professional field will not always please everyone and one of the requirements of the position is not just about winning popularity but respect and that will not be achieved without good values, ethics and morality and a sense of justice.
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@mimpi1911 (25464)
• India
8 Apr 09
I agree paula. That's how see success as well. But unfortunately not all think like that. For some money and power as in professional success makes them successful. And I was wondering if professional success is just dependent on talent or humanity has a part to play as well!
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@rtslvtwy (1088)
• Malaysia
4 Apr 09
I guess both ethics and morality plays some important role in our daily lives to becoming a successful person. These are like the qualities or characters that a successful person should have. I guess that unethical people will also end-up in the wrong foot-hole and stuffs like that. Spiritual qualities are also important plus many other factors more, i guess.
@mimpi1911 (25464)
• India
6 Apr 09
That's very well put rts and I agree totally. But do you really think that a person who is very good in his job has to be good morally? I mean, ideally that should be it but there are people who are successful careerwise but a failure as a human.
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@kprofgames (3091)
• United States
6 Apr 09
I do love your discussions Mimpi, they make a person think. I believe the the foundation to a successful life are those of empathy, ethics and morality; however, when a person is climbing to the top of a career sometimes these values are sidelined to get a head. In some big business it is about who you know or step on that can rise you to the top over being a good human being. So I guess a person really has to question their motives for this so called success. Are you really successful in your professional career if you sacrafice the basic: empathy, ethics and morality? How can a person like themselves, love themselves if they are always hurting others or feeling the need to compete to get ahead? If you are sacraficing being a good human being for the sake of getting ahead, then just what are you really successful at?
@mimpi1911 (25464)
• India
6 Apr 09
I really appreciate your thoughts there. Some professions, as you have said, do not really require you to be full of humanity. while humanity and ethics make you feel good always but talent is irrespective of that. But you made a valid point there when you say that how does a person get successful at the cost of their virtues! True and even though a tyrant ruler is obeyed but a time comes when people revolt and cause your downfall. We can do nothing without others and we can do nothing because of others - this is very pertinent. Thanks for enriching this thread.
• Philippines
7 Apr 09
It's true that ethics and morality are two important things to consider if you want to be a good human being. But then, sadly most professional does not mind considering these two characteristics. We just have to look around and we will surely see professionals who does not mind working out of their ethics and morality just to reach the top of their professions. A lot neglect to follow rules and regulations set by their specific professions just so they could get ahead of others. This is a sad truth that our century is actually facing. I guess we have to make ourselves conscious if we would rather be a good human or we want to be successful in our professions.
@mimpi1911 (25464)
• India
8 Apr 09
That's so well said! I think we have to change our attitude towards life and get going with integrity and ethics. This only would enrich us, make us the happiest.
@nanajanet (4436)
• United States
5 Apr 09
I think that total, real success is done with a heart. A person may reach financial success but I do not consider that successful, only one who has money. When you burn bridges and hurt people along the way, Karma will get you.
@mimpi1911 (25464)
• India
8 Apr 09
So well said! But sadly, the definition is changing and some talented people know no ends of themselves. This is disheartening.
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@leenie50 (3992)
• United States
4 Apr 09
Hi Mim, Have you ever heard of those who want to make it to the top have step on and over people to get their. These are the people you are talking about. They did whatever they had to to get where they are. The human factor didn't have a part in it unless they were busy kissing a$$. They have no values or integrity. Their purpose is to make it to the top at any cost. The people with values and integrity are the people working for the ones climbing that wicked latter. Very sad.xoxoxo leenie
@mimpi1911 (25464)
• India
8 Apr 09
This is sad but true! Such success are short lived and power can go the way it had come, in moments!
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@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
5 Apr 09
Hi mimpi! I am in management where I work at and I am here to tell you that a person with ethics and morals make more efficient supervisors than those who don't have these qualities. People tend to want to work harder and put more of themselved in to their work when they have a manager they respect and know will treat them fairly. Of course people have to work for those who are not moral but it is only their body you have and not the most important thing which is their mind. It may seem at times that morals and ethics aren't taking you as far or as fast but it is a steady and well built path that will lead to a strong place.
@mimpi1911 (25464)
• India
6 Apr 09
Power is a great thing. It can make you do stuffs willingly, unwillingly and even when you hate it. You have stated an excellent example. A good human is respected everywhere and therein lies his success. On the contrary for someone who doesn't care is hardly bothered. If he had then he would work on it first and foremost. The guilt and self evaluation do not haunt them. Sadly so!
@pickwick (858)
• India
5 Apr 09
Hi Mimpi!I agree with you that morality and ethics are important in certain proffession.When you are a teacher its something you teach by setting examples.So you have to be humble and a good person.For a doctor too it is important to be patient.I hate going to the doctor who puts on airs although he may be an expert in his field.We always like going to a grocer if he has a pleasent smile.But in certain cases it dosent make any difference whether one is humble or not ,for example a writer or a tailor.One goes for the best tailor or beautician irrespective of how he/she is by nature.
@mimpi1911 (25464)
• India
6 Apr 09
I agree pickwick. While its good to be in a good person's company, some professions do not need to humanity and ethics to become successful in their career. We go to a beautician only i he is good at his/her job and nit because he/she is a good human. And also if a person is talented, he is talented irrespective of his ethics.
@rakesh284 (1472)
• India
5 Apr 09
I think it is necessary to be good human to be successful in our profession. Good human can be successful at every phase of his life. It is not limited up to his profession. Hence a good human can any time became a good professional with good professional knowledge.
@mimpi1911 (25464)
• India
6 Apr 09
Hi rakesh A good human is successful no matter what. Virtues and ethics have the last say. that's how i believe in but what i am more interested in here is how important is it to be a good human to be successful in profession. thanks.
• India
4 Apr 09
Well define successful? If you think bein successful is getting loads of money and fame and posistion then "No you dont have to be a good human". But if you define successful as commanding respect and loyalty from people working under you above you and with you. Earning love from people who you work with then Definitely "YES you have to be a good human being". And please note the difference between good human being and dumb human being. A good human being is also clever and will also be aware of people who manipulate him and make use of him for thier selfish purposes. Hope this answers your question
@mimpi1911 (25464)
• India
8 Apr 09
I am more interested in knowing about professional who are successful in their careers. Has talent anything to do with humanity?
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