Too many writers, not enough words
By talker96
@talker96 (154)
United States
April 6, 2009 3:21pm CST
Do you feel like you're writing words that no one reads? I write for a living. Sad but true. It is because of this that I have decided to vent on Mylot, so I apologize in advance if I offend you, but I need to get this out. Is the market over saturated? Are there too many writers that are willing to work for basically nothing and then dredge out unpolished work for some unnamed web zine that no one really reads? I hate to say it's true, but it is. 3 dollars for an article on kite flying. 50 cents for one on saving power in the bathroom. 6 dollars for a 1000 word article on the differences of css and http web design and how it affects the third world. These are the topics, these are what will be the death of the writer. Chicken soup for the cheap writers soul states that anyone with a semi knack for the English language(or a really good web translator) can write what the market begs for, but who cares if it destroys the written word, you got to make 25 cents.
I feel better already.
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18 responses
@carolluvyou (460)
• United States
7 Apr 09
I agree!! I have been a freelance writer for just about 10 years and it burns my butt when I see or hear people claim to be great writers and have made about a $1.50 in their entire 'career.' An ex boyfriend of mine used to claim to be this big prolific writer, with 'a ton of stuff in the works,' nothing ever published and a certificate from a website that claimed he won an award for his writing. The more he proclaimed, the more aggravated I got, the easier it was to write an outstanding published piece and boot his no-talent rear-end to the curb! I will still write and hope that the public will be able to easily seperate the good writers from those who can type.
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@MthaFuknGreen (14)
• United States
7 Apr 09
I often feel that I am writing words that no one reads. I often feel that I speak and no one listens. I make them listen. I can't MAKE them read, but I try my hardest to keep them reading. I'm a person, I know what people like. I know if i write something good or not, if I do, it will appeal to me. If it's no good, I'll probably just throw it out. I think, most of the time, people just think too hard. It happens to me too. Most of my best works are written while falling asleep. I've always desired more control over my subconscious, I used to have a lot of interest in tapping its abilities. I would keep a record of my dreams, I would take 5-htp to enhance my dreams ect. I wish i still had that kind of time.. It's peoples sated hunger for knowledge, learning. It's peoples lack of fascination, appreciation of simple, smaller things. People feel like they've done enough, they're doing enough. No one is an over-achiever anymore. There is no fight left in writers today, no competitive nature. They apparently don't know, their work could earn a lot more. People settle to easily.
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@MthaFuknGreen (14)
• United States
7 Apr 09
People are just too busy. To be great, you can't just set aside some time out of your day to write or to paint or to do whatever it is you do artistically.. You have to never break from your work. People change mindsets a lot throughout the day. I try to stay in the same, not allowing emotion or stress to control me so I can release it when it's needed most, the whole time thinking, plotting, planning, scheming about my next or current work.
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@DoriLentrich (1016)
• United States
6 Apr 09
It's sad that so many writers are willing to sell themselves short. But to be fair, learning the business of writing has been a difficult endeavor until recently. Everything was kept hush-hush by the gate-keepers of the world. There was this wall that an inexperienced writer had to hurdle just to find out how the industry worked. Even now, what is adequate pay for an article or job, what's the industry standard? Where can you find that information? $6.00 for a 1000 words is laughable, and I feel you. Too many people think that good enough is all that is required to be a writer and some of the sites out there feed into that. It's a win-win for the site. Lots of junk, but those few gems are worth their weight in gold.
As writers, we should work hard for form cooperative groups where things like money are discussed freely. How much should we be looking for? What should we be doing to improve ourselves? Who is out there who will help lift the veil? Holding each other accountable while supporting each other will go a long way to boosting the importance of the craft.
@DoriLentrich (1016)
• United States
9 Apr 09
Unionize without unionzing, hmm, that's an interesting concept. But I agree, I wish freelancers would create some central location where newbies could go and at least get the basics about the field. Unfortunately, all we've got now are random topics out there with no way to determine who's quality and who wants you money.
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@mariposaman (2959)
• Canada
7 Apr 09
It is like any other business with supply and demand. I was reading a few days ago the lot of a photographer not getting the large remuneration for his work because of the photo micro sites selling photos for a dollar or two. It would seem the internet has spawned a need for a lot of writing to fill content of websites that is short and easy to read, passable in grammar and spelling and inexpensive. What is a writer to do, sell their work at the going market rate which is nothing like it once was, or to hold out for the big money which will not necessary be forthcoming. Pride does not put food on the table.
I am not sure the web translator is a good way to do English writing. One gets a sort of Googlish that approximates English but never quite does the job correctly.
MyLot is doing just what you lament now. Some of those writing jobs while requiring a certain level of competence and content, they are not Hemmingway nor Shakespeare, but make no pretense to be.
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@Raven1 (577)
• Australia
7 Apr 09
Bravo! I write for a living too and it's so sad to watch the industry being killed this way. This is exactly what's been happening in the last year or two. The freelance writing industry has slumped to new lows as new writers throw a few unpolished sentences together to earn 50 cents and call themselves "Professional Freelance Writers". It's a joke.
The best part about their low-quality, poorly written drivel is that people ARE starting to notice. My own clients have noticed that even though I charge a LOT more than these pathetic newbies charging pennies, they're getting good quality work so they're happy to stay. Publishers notice the same thing.
Stay firm and don't give in to the low-paying, revenue-share, un-edited drivel mentality and you'll find your own writing stands out from the crowd easily
:)
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@Raven1 (577)
• Australia
8 Apr 09
The only way the online writing scene will become viewed more professionally and increase pay rates properly is if writers REFUSE to be paid $3 for a well-written researched article and REFUSE to be ripped off by really low revenue-share pay.
If everyone stood up for their rights and told these sites that our time and effort are worth more then they'd have no choice but to view us as worth more money.
Unfortunately there will always be beginners who accept stupidly-low rates just because they don't know any better. YET.
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@Canellita (12029)
• United States
8 Apr 09
How long have you been a writer? Freelancing has opened up to a wider audience so to speak but prior to sites like helium and the like there was plenty of competition for writers. Regular print columns (offline) at one time paid as little as $10 and payment had nothing to do with length.
Writers have always felt underpaid and pre-internet this is the reason for the rise in self-publishing. I am not championing these revenue sharing sites but there are a lot of good things about them, particularly for aspiring writers.
Seasoned pros should have no problem receiving upfront payment for quality writing. I have seen discussions here on where people are showing it's possible to make as much as $1,000 per week online from writing. Pre-intnernet I would have said that was only achievable by a very small amount of people with name recognitio. (Usually those with agents.)
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@talker96 (154)
• United States
8 Apr 09
Trust me I realize there are pros and cons to everything. And those sites have their good qualities as well. I have been a writer since graduating from Rice, started as a journalist(with no journalism schooling) went to nightlife articles for various cities, did freelance for mags like "Parenting" "Stuff" Glamour" "Movieline" and a few others, and now do whatever I'm told to do(either by girlfriend or agent)When I started it was hard to make a living, it's still hard, but the fact remains, those sites make it harder.
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@Lee_Rites (845)
• United States
8 Apr 09
Talker96,
I will have to agree with you. Something just crossed my mind. I very rarely buy a newspaper anymore. I figure, why buy the newspaper when I can find the news online for free.
I still buy books, but I can even find many of them on the internet for free.
Once in a while I buy Popular Science magazine. Aside from that, I don't buy magazines anymore either.
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@Canellita (12029)
• United States
9 Apr 09
Are you saying Glamour, Parenting and the like are no longer buying articles?
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@Lee_Rites (845)
• United States
8 Apr 09
As more and more writers (or sources of information) come into the picture, the price paid for generic information will continue to decrease.
@coldmoon (1088)
• France
6 Apr 09
Writers often write what they find meaningful and creative, but the readers' taste is different. Nowadays reading culture is degraded because people have no much time to read and they like to read something simple, such as a novel with happy ending or a guide book with comprehensive indications, even thay can't distinguish between a book and a literature work. For the writers, recently they're too many but it's hard to find a great thought like in the classic literature. And I think the hard threshold of today writers is trying to escape from the shadow of predecessors and to follow the willing of readers in the same time. Sorry if my words are offensive.
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@neerajpandey_13 (1765)
• India
8 Apr 09
You are the person whom I can say that you know each and every thing. You are 100% right but main thing is what we can do. It is our fate and we have to accept this.
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
7 Apr 09
That is likely a globalisation issue. US$1 is $1.50 Singapore dollars. If anyone offers me US$6 for 1,000 words article, forget it, I will not do it. S$9 is not even enough for me to drink a cup of coffee and have a piece of cake in Coffee Bean.
But US$1 is equal to 6.8 China Yuan Renminbi, So US$6 is more than enough to pay for 3 square meals and rental and whatever. 2 articles at such rate is enough to support a family in China, especially those living in cheaper areas.
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@Hvaniday1 (550)
• Malaysia
7 Apr 09
Welcome to Mylot, first, very sad to hear that. You should try here, because they have many paying system and you can get more than a normal writer provided you have more sub-writers and posting more questions. Say for a start, you won't make much out of it but in the later stage you can make not more than $50 a day. You make your own calculation and make up your mind. Happy Mylotting.
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@Hvaniday1 (550)
• Malaysia
8 Apr 09
Haha....you still don't understand what I mean, don't you? Be wise, don't go against the wind although sometime doing things with some resistance is good. If they rewards someone with just that join them be one like them. Start over here and post whatever you want and earn like them. If you think sharing is the best thing, I commenting on your thinking. Happy Mylotting.
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@Citychic (4067)
• United States
8 Apr 09
Too many writers, not enough words.
I think that there are enough words but one must learn how to use them in the correct content, that is where it get to be challenging. I'm glad that you feel better but writing is something that something that you have to have a passion for. If you are doing it just to make money. You will probably never get the complete satisfaction from it that you are seeking....... If you would do it for free then it's probably something that you love doing.....This is all that's on my mind right now...... I'm going to give this a break and come back to it later on.
PS: I always feel like whatever we right down, it is alive and someone somewhere will read it.......That is why one must be careful to write what he or she mean........ Just a thought.
@talker96 (154)
• United States
9 Apr 09
I'm only happy when I'm writing. i'm most certainly not in it for the money, but it is my job, so i do like to get paid for something I went to school for and had wanted to be since I was eight years old. trust me, if I wrote only for monetary reasons then i wouldn't have www.talker96.wordpress.com.(but i will be selling shirts and hats soon............okay, because most would think the shirt and hat thing was serious, it wasn't. it was a joke......)
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@carann (260)
• United States
6 Apr 09
I agree in a way. I love to write but so many job offers are for say 10 articles a day on one subject. Is that quantity or quality. And how can a writer possibly do that unless they have a group of writers. I guess I don't write that fast or there are alot of them out there that can write way better than I can. And for so little pay.
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@rafr32jn (37)
• United States
6 Apr 09
I can totally understand where you are coming from. The market is indeed crawling with "writers" willing to have their talents bought for a mere couple of dollars, because they are happy with whatever they can get nowadays. It is for this reason I have chosen not to make writing a part of my livelihood, lest it lose what charm it still holds for me.
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@Lee_Rites (845)
• United States
6 Apr 09
Does it irk you that good writers sell themselves short and accept too little for their work or that bad writers are saturating the web with stuff that is poorly written?
@talker96 (154)
• United States
8 Apr 09
If you need to read up on how to fly a kite then you probably can't even read.
Also, I hate to inform you but Hemmingway is on Helium, he actually just finished a article on "carbon monoxide safety and you" it's really quite good.
And I will agree, most that go to those sites are not looking for genius, but i know for a fact that those articles are taking away from the people that used to write how to's for a living. But on the same page, the market is all about competition, dog eat dog type stuff.....so touche.
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@Lee_Rites (845)
• United States
8 Apr 09
Associated Content publishes information in many forms of media. This is for those of us who can not read.
I just watched a video about how to fly a kite. You should go check it out.
@Lee_Rites (845)
• United States
9 Apr 09
WOW!
Mylkj actually started a conversation about the Hemmingway joke. He had to know that you don't seriously believe Ernest Hemingway is writing for Helium, Right?
@Raven1 (577)
• Australia
12 Apr 09
Sigh. Well I guess someone out there was reading my words after all. In fact he read them and liked them so much he stole them. All of them. He posted every single post on my blog onto his own blog and said it was his. (yes, he even copied the post that says "Hi, My name is Bianca"...)
http://ravens-writing.blogspot.com/2009/04/plagiarism-is-theft.html
@krajibg (11922)
• Guwahati, India
7 Apr 09
Yes, I agree and tell you that simply just this is what is undercurrent and overt too. Nice thought.
@rocketsky (1013)
• China
15 Apr 09
many writers count quantity ,not quality.
they just write few words on their articles .
the quality of their articles can not be guaranteed .