Do you think cut backs should be based on senority or job performance?

@JenInTN (27514)
United States
April 23, 2009 4:36am CST
Everyone needs to work but in these economic times more and more people are being cut back within their companies. Management makes the choice as to who stays and who goes. Some places respect senority but some places want the one who's work is better. Do you think a company should honor senority or do you think a newer employee should be considered over others because of their better work?
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@sanuanu (11235)
• India
24 Apr 09
Why are you even asking a question on cutting on jobs. We need to be more strong and not talk about job cuts at all. I have been a victim of job cuts and I was being rejected because I was a new bie to the company!
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@sanuanu (11235)
• India
24 Apr 09
It would be better if I will not pariticipate in this discussion. Don't feel bad but I think I will become more sad if I participate. See ya!
@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
25 Apr 09
That's ok..wouldn't want to make you sad.
@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
24 Apr 09
Easy tiger..I don't mean to offend anyone. I usually just ask questions about things I think of and by no means am I trying to be negative. I know there are a lot of people that have been cut back at their jobs and that's one reason why I want these opinions. My company had to cut back in the past and one year they use job perfomance and the next they use seniority. I just want to know what you guys think is appropriate. Sorry about your job sanuanu.
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@paula27661 (15811)
• Australia
24 Apr 09
It is a tough one and it is a balance of two important factors but I fail to see why someone who is very poor at his or her job should be kept on at the expense of a hard worker who happens to be new at the job. I've had the 'pleasure' of working with a senior member of staff...oh, wait, I did the work, she just showed up most days and it irritated me a great deal to see her keep her position when good workers were being made redundant. I agree with theweerouss, poor performance is poor performance irrelevant of how long you have been there or who you are. Believe me I have met several senior members of staff who had actually retired but forgot to tell the company about it!
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@Tko2020 (266)
24 Apr 09
I think it should be down to Job Performance.
@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
24 Apr 09
LOL...I know a couple of people who have retired and not let my company know too. I can see your point. Thanks for responding.
@sacmom (14192)
• United States
25 Apr 09
That's a good question Jen. I think it depends. Seniority should always be considered first and foremost. However, if the newer person is doing a better job, then by all means they should be the one to stay on, so long as they are sincere in their work performance. Because that same person might slack off after all the cut backs have been made.
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@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
25 Apr 09
Thanks for the input! Senority should matter provided they have good job performance. I am with you on job perfomance too. It should be recognized. Thanks for responding.
@kedves (728)
5 May 09
Well cutbacks are based on how much it will cost the company. So if you have a good worker who has been there 2 years or a boss who has been there 5 years then its cheaper to get rid of the worker because the leaving pay will be less.. but for me I think regardless of who it is then cutbacks should be made to get rid of the higher waged earners who are not doing as much as the lower paid workers who are. unfortunately being a big boss means the company is more indebted to you if you are made redundant .. so the lesser paid workers are released instead...
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@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
6 May 09
I see what your saying and yes..it is cheaper to cut out the smaller people. I do agree this is not the best choice in the longrun though. The fortunate thing is that sometimes the higher ups have to resort to doing jobs they once done years before to keep their positions. i can also see why you would think releasing the higher paid employees is an option that should be considered. Thanks for the input.
• United States
24 Apr 09
I think job cuts should always be based on job performance. If someone cannot perform at their job, or does not care to, then the job should be given to someone more deserving who is willing to put in the hard work to succeed. It really ticks me off when people think that just because they have a job, they're entitled to keeping it, even if they're not putting in the work! Sometimes, and especially in this economy, just doing what's expected of you isn't enough. You have to really show you care and put in the extra work to get the job done and show your managers that you work hard and deserve the position you have. They will ultimately come to respect you more and trust you with more responsibility, in turn helping you out in the long run. (ps - all the "you" references aren't at you, JenInTN, they're just general "you"s!) thanks for the discussion :)
@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
24 Apr 09
Thanks for your input. Job performance is key in anything to do with the company..whether it's climbing the corporate ladder or holding on to a position. I think that credit should be given where credit is due too. I think that some people with seniority do take advantage of it. Take care.
• United States
24 Apr 09
one more point: if companies cut on job performance, it should apply to all seniority levels. poor performance is poor performance, period. i don't think any special exceptions should be made to keep someone who doesn't do their job, whether they are senior, junior, white, black, female, male, young, old, etc. People's merit should be what counts.
• United States
29 May 09
They should stay with the people that really know what they are doing and that makes them more money. If they have been working at the same place for a long time they might be able to prove that they are better than any new employee that might have a good idea on how everything works. Your question would be hard to answer if I actually had to decide but since I don't have to decide on the future of other I hope you understand my answer. :)
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@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
30 May 09
I do understand what you mean. It would seem sometimes that experiance prevails and could be in the best interest of the company. There are those factors of comfort to be added in though. Sometimes when people become to comfortable they don't work in the manner they did when they were first hired. Glad it's not up to me either..lol..Thanks for the response.
@Opal26 (17679)
• United States
23 Apr 09
Hey Jen! That is really a difficult question, but unfortunately the fair answer would have to be to keep the person who has been at the job the longest amount of time! How can you let someone who has been with the company go and keep someone that has only been there a short time even though they may be a better worker? It is a very difficult and unfair choice to have to make! But, nonetheless seniorily should still count more!
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@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
23 Apr 09
Hi Opal!! How have you been? I haven't seen you in a while. I can see where your coming from for sure! I wouldn't want to put in 20 years at a job and then have someone replace me because someone thought their work was better. At the same time I wouldn't want to be cut loose if I saw those who took advantage of their seniority. It is a tough choice and neither one is fair. I'm leaning toward seniority too. Thanks for responding.
@savypat (20216)
• United States
23 Apr 09
Each company does it's own thing, many get rid of long time worker because they are the ones that cost the most to keep. It's none of it good but often it's the only way to keep the company running.
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@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
23 Apr 09
Hi savypat! That's a great point to bring up! I do know of companies that will keep lesser paid employees because of the money it saves. I have known of companies that keep people right up till it's time for a raise and then get rid of them. Thanks for the input.
@tepitenio (119)
• Israel
23 Apr 09
Obviously to me, better work, thats mean better performance should be the question here. But in my country if you fire someone you have to pay relative to the years he has work for you. So it is no convinient to fire someone who has work for many years, when the time come to pull the trigger, then it is the newer employees that take the bullet. That's my country.
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@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
23 Apr 09
Hi tepitenio! There are a lot of companies here the same way. They pay them what they call a severance pay. Thanks for responding.
• United States
24 Apr 09
Jen- This is a tough one in this enconomy. I'd not like to see anyone loose their job, but I think that middle management positions should be the first to go if you're going to have to make cut backs. Consolidate jobs, if absolutely necessary. I think far too often management does everything to protect their jobs and instead of taking pay cuts, etc they simply lay off the working class who do the brunt work of the corporation. In terms of senority, I would assume that if someone has been with a company for a long time they might be offered a reasonable early retirement package. No, not fair I suppose, but practical to the organization as a whole. I do think that people should do good jobs, mind you. However, it seems that management can come up with ways to make it look like a good employee is bad just to make that budget cut. I've heard from others first hand on this one, and it's really sad. Namaste-Anora
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@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
25 Apr 09
Oh yes my friend...that middle management can be very hostile when it comes to their favorites or their own positions. I know...I work very closely with them. I try to nip such things in the bud but the problem is that often times they are the only links between the department heads and employees. Department heads often depend on their middle men to communicate issues and perfomances. They trust them because they really have no choice but to. Thanks for responding.
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@anniefannie (1737)
• United States
24 Apr 09
I think it should be by Senority.But I know some of the older hands are being passed over for younger ones not because they or more qualifid either.I worked for 44 years and I saw alot of it.
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@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
24 Apr 09
Thanks for the response anniefannie. I think that a person that has been with a company for a while has a lot to offer it. Experiance is one thing. I do think that some take advantage of seniority but the ones that don't should definately be recognized and taken care of.
@acekala (163)
• United States
24 Apr 09
Cut backs should be based on performance. A companies success is'nt grandfathered in and neither should an employees.
@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
24 Apr 09
Thanks for sharing your opinion on this. Certain things are based on the success of the company. Take care.
@John4Christ (1597)
• India
24 Apr 09
First of all i feel cut backs should be the last option for a company.....it should try finding ways to retain employees, maybe by cutting down on their salary(at least they have a job then) If at all they do, then i believe it should be purely based on job performance....as keeping the best staff will help getting or rather keeping the company on track.....and by this the company might come back on track and no further cut backs takes place.....but yes even the senior employees who have been a part of the organization since many years should be given a chance....they should not be deserted....maybe a fair compensation should be given to them if no other alternative is available......
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@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
24 Apr 09
I think cutbacks should be a last resort also. I hate it when it comes down to people losing their jobs. It's a common thing now and very sad. Thanks for your response and take care.
@zzyw87 (1254)
• Philippines
24 Apr 09
For me, I think the employee with the better work performance should stay rather than the employee who is more senior and who has stayed with the company a longer time. Seniority is a bit out-of-date now in the modern world as compared to a few years/decades back. And of course, seniority is an unfair/biased concept that companies should take steps to avoid/eliminate nowadays. Sometimes, the employee who has a better work performance can be considered more of an asset that the senior one. To add, seniority does not necessarily mean he/she is a great performer/genius in the workplace.
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@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
24 Apr 09
Your right about that. Just because someone has seniority doesn't mean they are an asset. I think that a person should always remember that no matter how long they've been somewhere...they still need to perform their duties efficently. Thanks for the input.
@lilybug (21107)
• United States
23 Apr 09
I think both should be taken into consideration. Not solely seniority. You could have seniority and actually be a horrible worker. I was once laid off in my department years ago because I was the last one who had been hired even though I was a harder worker than some of the ones in there.
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@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
23 Apr 09
Hi lilybug! I have seen that happen as well. It doesn't seem fair sometimes when it works out like that. Thanks for sharing.
@Dasari100 (3791)
• Anantapur, India
23 Apr 09
My opinion is they shouldn't cut back huge amounts and of course we are facing serious financial problems but this is not the way to cut back huge amount so i can agree that 10% of cut backs if the company want.
@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
23 Apr 09
Hi Dasari! Do you think the people they should keep are people who have been there longest or people who are the best workers?
@Dasari100 (3791)
• Anantapur, India
23 Apr 09
I think usually company people follow Grade system so then they have the all the data who are really efficient workers so then they shouldn't cut back their salaries need to give additional bonus. If efficient worker we miss then he lost total production of the work. isn't it?
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@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
23 Apr 09
Yes..Thank you.
@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
23 Apr 09
i think seniority should count first. i also think that people abuse seniority & if that is the case i think people like that should be weeded out. good workers are hard to find so i think they should be awarded for their hard work.
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@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
23 Apr 09
Heyya jo! I certainly think that senority should be respected as well. At the same time your right about the abuse of it being an issue as well. Thanks for responding.
@Hvaniday1 (550)
• Malaysia
23 Apr 09
Phew! This is very difficult to pick if that is the case. From my opinion, it should based on the firm vision. If they want to pump in new blood for a change definitely the young should be counted. Just for maintaining, of course the most seniority preferred.
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@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
23 Apr 09
Hi Hvaniday! It is a tough one to choose. I'm thinking the firm vision would also be important in choosing. It would depend on what their looking for as to what would benefit the company. Thanks for responding.