You myLot Republicans are a bunch of SORE LOSERS...you LOST...get over it!

Me too! And it's true folks resort to obnoxious behavior and condescension when they have no good arguments! However, I see this type of behavior on all sides and in all groups of humans unfortunately.

Yes, I believe Tony Blair was called a "warmonger" by a small group of students who protested against our support of your country in Iraq, but...... the protest was taken to No. 10, the Prime Minister's home, where it could have some positive effect... I saw no discussion on it in Mylot, which is exactly the point I'm trying to make. Tony Blair was also criticised by the opposition party because no chemical warfare weapons were found in Iraq, and this was one of the main reasons for us joining Bush in Iraq. Consequently, the argument was kept in the House, and eventually Tony Blair stood down and a new leader elected, in Gordon Brown. Positive? Yes, I think so, although I don't agree that a scapegoat should have been made of Tony Blair. Your country's affairs are to do with your government, not Mylot members. Ok... take your case to the voters if the White House doesn't listen... that's a positive and commendable move, but you won't solve anything by arguing amongst yourselves in Mylot, if you get my drift.

Certainly in the UK people criticize their leaders as well don't they? I remember Tony Blair getting called a warmonger by a fair number of people there even if they were in the minority. It's not only your right, but your obligation as a citizen of a free country to voice your disagreements with your leaders. "lodge your complaints to the Whitehouse, or wherever, and get things sorted!" And what if the White House ignores your complaints? The next step is to take your case to the voters. If the voters agree with you and disagree with the president, he can be voted out. That's how democracy works.

"Your country's affairs are to do with your government, not Mylot members. Ok... take your case to the voters if the White House doesn't listen... that's a positive and commendable move, but you won't solve anything by arguing amongst yourselves in Mylot, if you get my drift." The people arguing here on mylot ARE voters. I voted, and so did most of the people posting. As such, we are taking our case to the voters when we post on mylot. There are many mediums people use for this purpose and mylot is just one. I also email and call my congressmen and senators, but I see no reason to limit myself to just that.

Incidentaly, the sore loser thing works both ways: http://archive.democrats.com/display.cfm?id=248 http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/2005/12/more-evidence-that-bush-stole-2000.html http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5278.htm http://www.diggers.org/freecitynews/_disc1/0000001e.htm http://www.americablog.com/2005/08/bush-stole-2000-election-2004-election.html https://lists.resist.ca/pipermail/project-x/2002-October/000809.html http://www.documentary24.com/presidential-election-2000-how-bush-stole-the-white-house--161/ http://advaloreminternational.com/palast.html http://www.impeachbush.tv/el2000/ http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/112004Waldman/112004waldman.html

Errrm... please excuse me coming in here, but would you please clear something up for me? I'm not American, but it seems to me that if you guys feel you want to launch an attack on a political figure in your country, Mylot is hardlthe place to do so. Don't you have a way of getting your "attacks" or complaints into the correct system so that something can be done about them, i.e. Congress or the White House? I'm at a loss here as to why politicians are attacked or questioned behind their backs, rather than in a positive way? I'm sure nobody is taking these discussions as a personal attack, whatever party they support, but for the rest of the world, this is all becoming rather tiresome. Something positive needs to be done if you all want changes in the way your country is run... Mylot members can't help, so why is it bombarded with these discussions? Brightest Blessings.

Sorry for typo. This laptop has a mind of its own... that should ready, "then Mylot is hardly the place."

Barack Obama is not an Arab. And the fact that you use such discriminatory propaganda to back your claims is quite disgusting. What exactly is so wrong with being an Arab that you would try to slander someone with it?

First of all, the war on terrorism is not against Arabs. It is against Muslim extremists - Blacks, Arabs, South Asians, and even whites. So I don't see how the war has ANYTHING to do with Obama's race. And Obama's eligibility that is in question has nothing to do with his race. I have done research on Obama's race, and I have concluded that there is absolutely nothing suggesting that he is even partly Arab. He is a black African. Period. And twisting your political motives into race issues is propaganda.

And judging from the ignorance in your post I feel the need to point out two seemingly obvious facts for you... 1. People from Iran, Afghanistan, and Pakistan are not Arab. They are South Asian. 2. Arab is not synonymous for Muslim. Many Arabs are Christian.

"The best thing that you could do is to quit the Reaper party. The Dims and Reapers are both bought and paid for through contributions, lobbying, and a corrupt press." Of course they're bought. There is absolutely no question about that I wish we had politicians that weren't bought, but unless they have infinite wealth, our system forces them to sell their souls to win an election. "We need severe election reform. The best way to work for that is to first quit either party THEN join us Independents in a populist movement." I can't join any movement until I know and agree with what they stand for. Right now I keep membership in the Republican party because at least in the primaries they still have candidates I support. Those candidates just don't make it past the primaries yet.

"By the way, you seem more than happy to call Republicans names, lumping us all into one group. That's rather hypocritical of you now isn't it? " Yep. It absolutely is. I wondered if anybody would call me out on that. I'm a hypocrite. I admit it. Most people can't admit that they are even those most people ARE hypocrites at some time or another. "That's pretty weak." Thanks for pointing that out. I think I acknowledged that myself a few lines later. Do you go to dailyKOS or thinkprogress and tell them you'll become a republican? "If you've read any of my posts (which I know you have) you probably know that the answer to that question is "no" "Why not?" Because I barely have the time to keep up with myLot discussions and I have other priorities in my life right now. " they preach hate speech every day. They propogate lies to further a political agenda and were responsible for the lies about Sarah Palin's children." Then they are wrong for doing that. "Every President has flaws. Every President is put under close scrutiny once he's in office. We all know that!" Well than why do you call people sore losers and whiners when they scrutinize him? " I don't have a problem with the "scrutiny" I have more of a problem with how people handle or word their criticism. I don't call people whiners or sore losers simply for scrutinizing him. (well maybe I did) but again, to be more accurate in explaining my position, it's how people handle themselves that I have more of a problem with. "I think it's productive to voice disagreements with the current administration." I agree. But it is "how" you voice your disagreement that makes all the difference. "It is NOT productive to rubber stamp everything he does just because he's the president. He works for US, not the other way around. We are his employer and we should hold him accountable the same way our employers are expected to hold us accountable." I agree there too. "Calling other mylot members names really doesn't help anything, but some people are uninformed and that's not a "name", it's an evaluation of their status. " Fair enough, but I've seen people called "uninformed" simply because they had a different opinion. Sometimes the meaning of the word is misused and also sometimes it's the way you say something, not just what you are saying, that makes the difference. I don't have a problem with a spirited debate. It's just when people start saying things that come across to me as demeaning or just plain rude, that I become a bit aggravated. And again, call me a hypocrite if you want. I've been guilty of losing my temper and saying things that are out of line at times, but that doesn't make it okay. Now that I've admitted my flaws and agreed with "some" of your points, while also disagree with others, I'll probably earn the label of "patronizing". I earned that once before.

Tasker, The best thing that you could do is to quit the Reaper party. The Dims and Reapers are both bought and paid for through contributions, lobbying, and a corrupt press. My slang for Democrat and Republican lets people know that I disdain these "Extra Constitutional opinion focusing entities." We need severe election reform. The best way to work for that is to first quit either party THEN join us Independents in a populist movement. I do admire your efforts to elevate the level of debate here on Mylot. Thanks, Slaton

I doubt we will become an Islamic country, at least not because of Obama, but we will be a country without freedoms. We will be a socialist debt ridden country.

"I have read U enough to know that they would not really welcome U anyway. " lol Gee thanks! You're probably right. I'm not sure who said this but I remember hearing it from one of the old comedians, I think. "I wouldn't want to be a member of a club that would have me as a member" I registered as an "independent" when I was 18, before I knew what any of this stuff was all about. The truth is, I'm 41 now and I'm STILL trying to figure it out. I'm trying a little harder now, but I think the more I pay attention the foggier things become.

It seems like the minute you decide to go with one party or another the insanity takes over the party. Take being a liberal. I used to think of myself as a liberal democrat. My way of thinking about it was being liberal meant you respected the rights of all regardless. Now it has changed to where the views are so extreme there's no looking at the other side's reasoning. The same can be said for the ultra-conservatives that refuse to see anything beyond their own noses. Only using common sense will get this country anywhere.

The comedian was Grouch-o Marx of the Three Stooges. No relation to Karl Marx. Slaton

Yes ma'am. He sure is! I wouldn't trust him any farther than I could throw him!

Obama is "scary" and "ungodly"? Wow.

"I wonder if you were being just a critical of Democrats during Bush's terms in office?" I think I mentioned somewhere, (if not in my original post then further along) that I wasn't paying attention back then, but if I had been, I probably would have been just as critical. "There were entire stores where you could buy books of Bush's screw ups to laugh at and shirts that compared him to a monkey, Hitler, or all kinds of other rude and ridiculous things" You're right. Which is why I said all presidents come under scrutiny. "Americans are encouraged to question their politicians and hold them accountable. If it offends you that we do so, you should not be joining either party - you should be looking for a new country to go to where "whining" about the things the leader does wrong is not allowed" I guess you missed my point entirely. I won't blame it on the fact that you're a Republican (I don't even know for sure that you are). I have said several times, I don't have a problem with people speaking out about the things they see going wrong. It's when people become petty and insulting that I have a problem with.