People Of Color
By CatsandDogs
@CatsandDogs (13963)
United States
April 27, 2009 1:04pm CST
Now this is NOT to offend ANYBODY however, if I word something that doesn't sound right, by all means, let me know and I want to apologize if I do. I'm only telling what I've heard or read (closed captioned tv) on a tv show and wondering if it's true or not so please bear with me. Here it goes....
I can not remember what show it was on but it was a documentary of sorts and it said that lighter skinned black people are lighter skinned because some where in their ancestry they have white blood and is why they are light skinned. The lighter the skin means more white blood. The darker the skin the less white blood is in their genes. I found this to be very interesting because like myself, I have two different types of Indian in me and is why I have high cheek bones. But unfortunately, I didn't get the shaded skin tone. I wish I had because I'm so darned pale that even on my wedding day, I didn't think anybody would be able to see me in my white dress because I was so transparent thanks to having the disease Lupus. lol Well luckily it wasn't true and my wedding pictures proved that. lol Anyway, not to get too far off the subject here, I know that Abraham Lincoln slept with some of his slaves or who knows, maybe a lot of them so that's nothing new to be learned however, I am curious as to if this saying is true and is why there are so many shades of blacks. Now I have no problem with people marrying outside of their race as long as they truly love one another and not doing it out of spite. After all, one can choose who they fall in love with. My brother is married to a woman who is half black and half white but do I have a problem with it? Heck no!! He loves her and he's happy so I'm happy for him. She has two sons from a previous marriage and they're considered every bit a part of our family as my other nephews and niece. I'm telling you this because I want you to know where I stand on this issue. I just want to learn and that's it. Got it?
Ok, I'm getting my helmet on!! Ready.... Set.... GO!!
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14 responses
@whiteheather39 (24403)
• United States
27 Apr 09
I am not sure what you are looking for in response? Were you accused of being a racist and feel the need to rebut the accusation with your topic?
As for skin color I have three bi-racial great-grandsons the mother is white and the father is black and all three boy each have a different skin color tone. From very dark to very light so it is pretty obvious that the family genes are paramount in the resulting skin color of the children. In my family it is first generation but it can also show again in mixed races from generations ago.
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@whiteheather39 (24403)
• United States
27 Apr 09
Actually I think (and it is just a thought) that at the moment of conception one of the parents genes was stronger than the other. I would liken it to the same parents having children of different sexes.
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@CatsandDogs (13963)
• United States
27 Apr 09
Hi whiteheather! I just wanted to be sure that it was known that I wasn't trying to offend but there are some who are overly sensitive on the subject and will lash out. And for some it doesn't take much for them to get all bent out of shape so I wanted to calm the fears before they start.
So all three boys have the same father and yet they all have different skin tones? Now that's interesting!! So what makes this show hold any truth? To me it doesn't because if they have the same father and still have different skin tones, then the show I saw, isn't true. Thanks for posting this because you just proved a very valid point!!
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@CatsandDogs (13963)
• United States
27 Apr 09
Still and again, you have a very good point(s) Maybe it's a combination of all these factors, mine included?
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@smacksman (6053)
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28 Apr 09
I lived in southern and central Africa for 14 years and experienced and observed all sorts of racial experiences both good and bad from people of all shades.
The main thing was that you worked together and you got along together, no matter what the politicians had to say. All normal humans are like that - you cannot waste energy being 'at war' with one group all the time. It is just silly.
But it was very clear that black Africans did not get on with people from the Indian sub-continent (who were the crucial local business infrastructure) and both those groups did not get on with the Coloureds as people of mixed race were called. I found that all groups trusted me and expected me to be fair and honest simply because I was white.
However, the biggest social segregation was between the various African tribes themselves where a mixed marriage was almost unheard of and old scores ran hundreds of years deep, long before the white, yellow or brown man set foot on the continent. The root cause of a lot of trouble there and no 'quick-fix' that I can see.
My helmet is secured! 'Fire in the hole!!' haha
@CatsandDogs (13963)
• United States
28 Apr 09
LOL So far so good!! I didn't offend a soul.... YET!! I hope I don't!! LOL
That is interesting about Africa. I never did understand how they could fight each other so much and even take slaves. Why not instead call for peace and honor it? Where is all this fighting going to do? But being that they've been fighting for thousands of years, it's all they know?
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@smacksman (6053)
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28 Apr 09
When you live in a society where you can be a cook one day and President the next you have it all to fight for. And while the politicians fight the poor people in the bush starve. All very sad.
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@thyst07 (2079)
• United States
27 Apr 09
I think that it is true that people who have both African (or any other typically dark-skinned)heritage and European heritage might tend to have a lighter shade of skin than those whose heritage is entirely dark-skinned. But the shade of skin color actually may have more to do with what geographical area a person's ancestors came from. Skin pigmentation is an adaptation to sun exposure. Populations living in areas with a lot of sun and heat (like Africa, for example) tend to have dark skin because dark skin protects the body against too much UV exposure. However, in regions with less sunlight, people tend to be lighter-skinned so that they can absorb enough sunlight for their bodies to make vitamin D. So the skin color that a person inherits may be as much a result of where their ancestors lived a long time ago as what color skin their parents have.
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@CatsandDogs (13963)
• United States
27 Apr 09
You do have a point there but then again, from the brochures that I have, it states that blacks are the highest to have lupus then it goes to fair skinned white people, mostly women. If that's the case then the blacks who do have this nasty disease can not have sun exposure or they'll break out in these horrible rashes and aches and pains all over their bodies. I know because I have it and I'm white as snow white. Not only that, some work inside and don't get much sun exposure but are jet black and some are very light as well. This has piqued my curiosity for the longest time that I wanted to post it on here but feared of being attacked. So far so good!! Whew!! Maybe I CAN take my helmet off?! LOL
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@thyst07 (2079)
• United States
27 Apr 09
Well, the process of skin color adapting to sunlight exposure isn't something that happens to a single person or even a single generation. It's an evolutionary process that probably takes several generations at the least and possibly thousands of years. So if an individual with really dark skin moves to an area that doesn't have much sunlight, they might have trouble making vitamin D. Lupus is an entirely different issue, though. Certain ethnic populations are more likely to get certain diseases. It's not necessarily due to their skin color- it's usually some other genetic trait that happens to be frequently shared in that particular gene pool.
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@Opal26 (17679)
• United States
28 Apr 09
Hey cats! I don't exactly know if there is a question here
somewhere or not? I am not one to answer this anyway! I am
as white as can be, until I get some more sun anyway! Don't
start throwing stuff at me either! I am extremely pale too!
Now, my boyfriend, however is as dark as night! And I so love
him! We have no color issues! We don't care who stares at
us, who talks about us or whatever! We are a mixed race couple
and anyone that doesn't like it can kiss our azzes! We don't
need anyones approval, not even family! That is that! As long
as we are happy together that is all that matters!
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@CatsandDogs (13963)
• United States
28 Apr 09
I couldn't agree more Opal!! These days are getting better and better with accepting couples who are different races which is a wonderful thing and about damned time! There's more to go and always room to grow and as long as we keep moving in this direction, I say thumbs up America! Thumbs up!
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@bing28 (3795)
• Philippines
28 Apr 09
I have nothing against the black or the whites, everyone can be a friend regardless of the color. Maybe this is a joke in our country as we are brown complexion. According to hearsays or anecdotes when God created the people, He made half cooked with the whites while overcooked with the blacks and fairly cooked with the people with brown complexion. Am sorry just to have a little sense of humor, hope this is not offending to God and to other people. All I want is to join the discussion with a little joke.
@CatsandDogs (13963)
• United States
28 Apr 09
LMBO!! OMG!! I'm laughing so hard!! You're hilarious!! Now I'll look at rare, medium rare and well done in a whole new light!! You're a nut!! Thanks for the laugh friend!
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@shell2784 (752)
• United States
28 Apr 09
Whats the point in their being different colors if we can't have a little fun with them? lol
Nice post bing dear!
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@nv_jenn (207)
• Canada
27 Apr 09
LOL... your helmet. Ok first off I wasn't offended by the question and I think it is an interesting question at that. I am mixed myself, my mom was white and my dad is half black. So I guess that makes me 3/4 white and 1/4 black? Not really sure, I just say half and half to avoid major confusion. I have heard from black people that they "fade im the sun". At first I thought it was a joke but others have said the same thing. I don't know how true it is but maybe this has something to do with some. I never grew up knowing my dad until I turned 17 so I really don't know much about my background (only 28 now). I dont want to sound like a jerk or anything but I think what you say in a way makes sense. I have always wondered myself why there are different shades of black among pure black people. I know my reasoning is because there clearly is white in me.
Hopefully I didn't say something wrong in my post, if I am offending anyone you may as well say I insulted myself too!
@CatsandDogs (13963)
• United States
27 Apr 09
Ok, maybe I can take my helmet off?!! lol Fade in the sun? Really? Now THAT is interesting! Like you, I thought it was the other way around! Our skin pigmentation's are so interesting and it makes me wonder how it was all figured out. Way to go to the scientists'! Numbers just isn't my game to play!
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@Polly1 (12645)
• United States
28 Apr 09
I don't know for sure the answer to your question. But I can say that no one should be offended by anything you said. I do know that people of all races do have different shades of skin color. I have Indian blood too and I am a pale face. I think for most of us, if we go way back, we have mixed blood. Who can really go way back beyond just a few generations, that would be hard to do.
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@CatsandDogs (13963)
• United States
29 Apr 09
Yeah it sure would be. Gosh, if only we could. DANG IT!! lol
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@GardenGerty (160996)
• United States
3 May 09
It is not necessarily because of intermarriage, but is because of the different amounts of melanin in their skin, just as some caucasian people have pink cheeks and freckles and others have olive skin and others can tan, but some cannot. Yes, intermarriage can result in a variety of skin tones, but even intermarriage among tribes and people groups can do the same. I thought Lincoln had no slaves. It was Thomas Jefferson that many people have made such a big deal about sleeping with his slave women. I could be wrong and will research it later.
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@CatsandDogs (13963)
• United States
4 May 09
I've had some really interesting responses on here and very educational too. This site is awesome thanks to you and all the others and I thank God that no one was offended! I must've worded it correctly because I'm so well known to stick a foot in my mouth early on!! I was told by another mylotter that it wasn't Abraham Lincoln but someone else so I must have that all wrong.... I wonder if you're right and it is Thomas Jefferson. I really and honestly don't know or remember.
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@jessigirl116 (848)
• United States
28 Apr 09
I think the different shades of skin color has everything to do with ancestry, but what do I know?? I'm responding to your feelings about posting this with minimal offensiveness. Don't worry so much. People are easily offended because they CAN be, NOT because they actually ARE. No BS. People with insecurities are also easily offended. Even without the beginning explanation on how you are not trying to offend anyone, I didn't feel like you were going for an offensive discussion. It seemed to me that you were just expressing your curiosity on a subject you encountered. When people tell a joke or make a comment, it's because they can. I've told several offensive jokes, especially jokes that deal with the stupidity of PEOPLE. People in general are fun to make fun of. If I'm making a joke about a race, no one should be offended. If I'm making a joke about a specific PERSON, then only that person should be offended. I don't get offended when people tell jokes about white people, or Germans, or women, which I am all 3.
People get easily offended because they need something to complain about. I am certainly NOT prejudice. I have friends and family of a lot of different backgrounds, and I make fun of them all equally. I mean no hurt feelings, and I don't ever tell seriously offensive jokes, I don't ever try to outright demean someone, but give it a rest. Jokes I tell are meant to be just that, jokes. I tell plenty of jokes and make plenty of comments (in jest) about my own race, religion, or whatever, so I think I'm even with anyone I MAY have offended. Blonde jokes are my favorite, and blondes come in many nationalities.
Now maybe I should get my helmet on???!!!
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@CatsandDogs (13963)
• United States
28 Apr 09
You know what? EVERYBODY has a skeleton or two in their closet! It doesn't matter what it is because a skeleton is a skeleton in which we learn from. Now if we didn't learn from them then the deed wasn't worth doing. I, like you, love blonde jokes and I'm a blonde! I take no offense to it at all because it's all in jest, to make everyone laugh and feel comfortable. Hell, I DO have my blonde moments.... A LOT! lol I'm legally deaf so I tend to be a little behind on things however, I'll laugh it off as a blonde moment. lol I'm forever making jokes that include different nationalities because it's easier to keep the people straight however, we could use the brown haired person and the black haired person and the blonde instead of nationalities IF someone were to be offended to offends easily.
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@mummymo (23706)
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29 Apr 09
You know honey that sounds as though it is really quite logical! Having said that white people come in all different shades and I think that is the same with coloured people so would perhaps come into it too! To be perfectly honest though I am not sure and only going by what sounds right to me! I think I will have to go read some other responses and educate me too! xxx
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@CatsandDogs (13963)
• United States
29 Apr 09
There are some interesting responses on here and educating too so help yourself out and read them all! lol I'm just so glad that no one was offended. I've had this on my mind for a while now but was too afraid to post it on here but lo and behold! All is fine and I worried over nothing! So typical of me though. So typical. lol
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@bonnieblue80 (77)
• United States
28 Apr 09
Can I first clarify that Abraham Lincoln never owned slaves. His wife Mary Todd came from a slave-owning family in Kentucky. However, most of our founding fathers did.
I would venture to say that many of the dark skinned people who descended from former slaves, were likely to have some white genetics mixed in. Slave owners being with their female slaves was a common thing back then. Many babies were born from those unfortunate encounters.
Africans may appear to have different skin tones also. The problem there is, how many white colonists from Europe came to Africa and had babies with the natives over the past 500 years. England, Denmark, France,and Spain were big on colonizing everything in our recent history.
Unless there was DNA testing to see where ancestry came from, we will never know for certain of heritage.
As it stands now in the USA and in many countries around the world, mating between people of different skin tones, eye colors, hair colors, and nationalities cause such an array of different genetic features, that it is hard to call anyone any one heritage.
I myself am quite a European mutt, mixed with a little bit of Native American. My kids are even worse, because my husband comes from several different nationalities too. My kids are like a little bit of everything.
Our breeding habits are no longer segmented to one race or another. People are blending their genetic make ups and creating all new generations of diverse people. Without having a limited supply of possible breeders, we can expand our genetic diversity so much, that we will ultimately undergo an evolutionary change in humanity. We will become stronger, more adaptable, and better.
So you do have it mostly right. Skin color is pretty much the same as eye color in the genetic lottery. Sometimes the DNA says lighter, other times it combines to make someone darker. You could have two people who appear to be white, but are each 1/8 dark skin, they could ultimately have a pitch black child, though it is less likely, it could happen. They could also have a blond haired, blue eyed child too, it just depends on which strands of chromosomes match up.
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@CatsandDogs (13963)
• United States
28 Apr 09
LMBO! A European mutt.... That's a good way to tell it! lol Look above at this response and mine, it's a riot!! You've put a lot of thought into this and I'm not sure if it was Abraham Lincoln or maybe it was someone else and I got them mixed up. But well done and thought out and yes, you are right. Thanks!!
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@sweetashoney (3597)
• United States
27 Apr 09
Yes that is true,some were down the line their race has been mixed. My niece is half white and black. Her mother was white with very light skin but my niece a dark brown, and I think that her children could ether be lighter or darker than her when she has one,depending on which race she will have a baby by with. I hope this makes since, I'm trying to explain but I don't know how good of a job that I'm doing.
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@CatsandDogs (13963)
• United States
27 Apr 09
Actually, look at the response above, she has a very good points and combined with mine from the tv show, this sounds like the true concept of it all. It is interesting, don't you think? lol
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@shell2784 (752)
• United States
28 Apr 09
I've never even thought of the skin color and what genes and everything else.
I go back and fourth with the inter-racial relationships thing. Anymore it just depends on where you live as to what you'll accept. I live in the mountains of PA where you could literally count the number of "non whites" on your hands... and everyone gets all rawled up when they see a black or asian or hispanic and of course no one has anything nice to say... and I often think "why the hell did they move here of all places... don't they know what they're doing to themselves?"
But I'm also originally fromt he city where you see it all the time.
I say in the end... who cares what I think or my twisted hillbilly neighbor thinks down the road... do what makes you happy. Be with who makes you smile and with someone who loves you for you... not for your money or skin tone or anything else.
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@denisedora (190)
• United States
28 Apr 09
I think that people who are ignorant place to much thought on race. I dont see how they can consider oyu being racists with the questions you are asking it's not like you are disrespecting thers people. I for one could be considered a woman of colors lol. All of my childern are mixed. I have two boys who are mixed black and white and my youngest kids another boy and two girls are mexican and white. Lol as for the skin tone on others it just depends on their hertiatage and where they are from. All of my kids are darker skin toned than me since i am white and my nationality is all the lite skin tone etinics. The only one of my kids light skinned is my youngest boy he is 5 and has my skin tone. People need to learn to love other people regardless of thei skin tone and want to get to know them to find out what kind of person experience they had had the we can learn from.
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@CatsandDogs (13963)
• United States
28 Apr 09
Thanks so much denisedora! I appreciate your understanding because I was so afraid to offend somebody and so far everyone is fine with how I worded it. Maybe I'm a little too paranoid but then again, there's always someone out there that will take it wrong and get upset about it but so far, it's been all good!! lol You know, I feel this way, I have all kinds of nationalities in me as many others do too so in time, probably not in my lifetime but we're all going to have a little bit of this and that in our blood lines and nobody will be any different from another. We'll all be one race. Wouldn't that be cool? I certainly do because maybe then, everybody can learn to love one another as a person and not look at the color of their skins.
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