So, like, what if this.........
By novataylor
@novataylor (6570)
United States
April 27, 2009 7:03pm CST
What if. What if we, the many of us here who believe that after death, we come back again, reincarnate if you will,,,,,,,,,,what if the earth implodes or something? What if the polar icecaps melt and apocolypses we haven't even imagined yet,,,,what if they happened and the earth was no more? Where would we reincarnate (to)? Hey, just thinkin........it was weird, here I was, alone and happy, watching NCIS and this question occured to me. God knows why I decided to post it here, but it seems clear that I did. Take it, leave it, do what you want. But if you do decide to take it, then please lend me some sort of comfort because it poses a slight worry for me. Ok, I'm going back to my recliner now. I'll check in in a bit. "scuse me please.......
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@urbandekay (18278)
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1 May 09
One thing is clear, we humans are masters of self-deception, our introspection and attempts for knowledge in that way are not to be trusted. For even if we are sure of the pre-conceptual experience, in our conceptualisation of that experience, that makes it cogent to us, we alter it subtlety.
At bottom every man knows well enough that he is a unique being, only once on this earth; and by no extraordinary chance will such a marvelously picturesque piece of diversity in unity as he is, ever be put together a second time. - Friedrich Nietzsche.
all the best urban
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@urbandekay (18278)
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29 Apr 09
I am touched by your flattery by the by,
all the best urban
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@novataylor (6570)
• United States
29 Apr 09
Thank you, Urban, my flattery was sincere, and I'm glad you saw that. I've read many of your comments in other peoples' discussions and you speak with intelligence and quite articulately. I could never get into a war of words with you....I'd lose, miserably, I'm sure. But probably happily. And what you say about the beginning of the theory of reincarnation may be true, but I don't believe that we are punished in our lives for the sins of the past, but that we are put here again to learn more, to become better human beings, to live our lives more like, for lack of a better example, Christ. You know, one time my sister Patty asked me what I must have done in a past life to have all of the illness and hospitalizations and such that I have in this life. And I looked at her aghast and said that I had such a BLESSED life. My ilnesses and such have only served to make me a bigger person, more open to others' suffering and pain, because of what I've gone through. It's only made me more conpassionate, and kinder. I definitely didn't believe that I was being punished for anything. I also believe in past life memories....because I've had what I believe is them. I believe I was in a concentration camp in a Nazi controlled country. But what I don't know is this: was I a prisoner or a guard? It's a very distrubing question and one which I hope I eventually get an answer to. But if I don't, I'll be ok. Whatever I was, whatever I did, I must have learned. I love the life I have and consider it a gift.
Anyway. Whew, I hadn't intended to type all of this. But I type just like I talk, and I was talkin! Interesting to find myself talking to urbandekay.......about a religious subject, no less! I wouldn't have anticipated it, ever. But I'm glad for the discourse. Ok, your turn.
@moondancer (7431)
• United States
28 Apr 09
Hello nova it's been a long time since I've seen you. It's nice to hear from you! I believe that we do come back to. The thing is that it may not be right away. We come back when the right person is there for us to be with, our souls to be with. It might not be right when we leave one body but it could be years from when we separate from our present body. Time passes differently in other planes than it does here. It might be 15 years but it only seems like a short time just hours or days. Our souls need the right body to gravitate to. They will wait until the time is right.
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@novataylor (6570)
• United States
29 Apr 09
Well hello, Miss Moondancer! It's nice to hear from you too, thanks for coming in. Ya know, I pretty much agree with most of what you've said here and I'm so happy to see that your faith is so strong, as is mine. But I just wonder, what if the earth is no longer in existence? Then what?
Happy mylotting sugar. (you can consider the above question rhetorical if you like) Have a blast out there.
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@moondancer (7431)
• United States
29 Apr 09
Well my lovely lady. It has happened before that people were not here. But then wala, here we are. If not, then we surely are not the only ones in the whole universe. There are many many planets, and moons out there. I wonder what we would look like in another place? Hummmm, brings up another question to ponder.
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@wolfie34 (26771)
• United Kingdom
29 Apr 09
And what if swine flu hits us, what if our world collides with another, what if we get hit by an asteroid as foretold in 2012 and what if we count our blessings that we are alive today, live for today as we won't have many tomorrows. I think worrying will actually make us ill. We need to be positive and enjoy what we have today, don't take everything for granted and go outside and smell the earth, smell the grass, smell the flowers, listen to the birds singing in the trees, and watch the waves on the ocean and enjoy what the universe has given us because tomorrow it could all be gone! Live for today my dear friend each day is special and precious x
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@novataylor (6570)
• United States
30 Apr 09
Wolfie, you are SO right! Worrying will indeed make us sick. It has made me sick before, so believe me, I know. It's so funny, I don't know where the thought came from, Wolfie, honest I don't. But it suddenly appeared in my head and caused me no small measure of thought. And where better to bring our unanswered questions than here, to our friends and supporters, where we can enjoy much wisdom from the responses we get. Ok, yes, we also get drivel, but usually more wisdom than drivel. And the drivel can be fun! But anyway, yes, darling Wolfie, we do need to realize and stop taking for granted each day that we're given. They're all a gift.
@sudiptacallingu (10879)
• India
28 Apr 09
I am a firm believer of reincarnation so I know I’ll come back. I was here before and then the earth had fewer problems than we have now…even earlier when the earth was virgin territory and I was just one of the first…we had problems then as we have them now…but the nature of problems are definitely not the same. Yet, I have dealt with them before as I deal with them now and in my future lives, I’ll deal with problems as per those times and technology and knowledge available to me and my society.
Now, if the earth itself is no longer here…we’ll have discovered some other planet by then…and if we have exhausted all the planets and indeed the entire universe…well by that time, we would have achieved Nirvana, so no more reincarnations
As of now short time plans (next life)..don’t worry, relax! Our progenies will have thought of newer survival skills by the time we come back again
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@novataylor (6570)
• United States
29 Apr 09
Ah Sudipta, I ask for comfort and you give it to me in droves! Thank you! I love the way you described your feelings about reincarnation too. You said everyt6hing so beautifully and clearly. And ya know? I do feel better, much better. So thank you for everything, Sudipta. Thank you.
@Ravenladyj (22902)
• United States
29 Apr 09
ooh what a great question! I personally believe that if something like that were to happen (the earth were to come to a screeching halt and cease to exist) we would go back to the ultimate source (or however you want to lable it) until existance as we know it now were to begin again...
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@novataylor (6570)
• United States
29 Apr 09
Why thank you, my dear Ravenladyj!! I liked it too. Sorta. And I loved posing it here and all of the responses I've gotten have been great. Back to the ultimate source? Sure, why not, Rlj? After all, we started there before, so why not again? Good answer. Give yourself 30 points. Nyuk, sorry I was thinking of that stupid tv show, you know, oh never mind, sorry. lol Silly ol me.
I'm honestly very happy to see you!!! You were, I believe, the first person who ever responded to my first discussion that got responses. That's so cool. It was about that movie "Hard Candy", remember? I liked you then, and I like you now. So. See ya out there, yes? Yes! very.
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@novataylor (6570)
• United States
30 Apr 09
That's how I felt, MsTickle. Farked! Ha, ha, boy, would we ever be!!!
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@lexus54 (3572)
• Singapore
28 Apr 09
I will be on another small meteor circling the earth, and somewhere behind where p1kef1sh is, so that in case your path of trajectory goes off-course and you miss the meteor where p1kef1sh is, you won't uncontrollably spin out of orbit into some black hole and never return. I'll be right behind to catch you. I'll have all the food and drinks that you will possibly need to continue existence even as the earth is totally destroyed. So there you are...you have double insurance that you will not be lost out there in space...LOL.
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@novataylor (6570)
• United States
29 Apr 09
Oh Lexus, you are such a sweetheart!!! And such a comfort to me, thank you so much. It's great to know that I have "p1kefish" insurance! Ha! Thanks for sending out the love, lexus darlin. You always do. I could just squeeeeeeze you!
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
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28 Apr 09
I don't have a theological explanation Nova, but I shall be on a small meteor circling where the Earth was. As you are flung out by the force of the explosion I will be there, like a Harlem Dodger of old, waiting to catch you! I promise you that I won't bounce you, but we will go through the hoop together. I'll have made some sandwiches and bring you mug! You'll need a soda when you get here. So now close your eyes and Zzzzzzzzzz XXXX
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@novataylor (6570)
• United States
29 Apr 09
P1key my love, you always find a way to warm me, don't you? And clearly you saw that I was asking for some kind of comfort and there you were, as per usual, with comfort to beat the band, raining gently down upon my head and heart. I love you, you wonderful ol' fish.
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@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
28 Apr 09
I'm sure there are lots of planets out there. Maybe we'll reincarnate to one that is just developing life...
@novataylor (6570)
• United States
29 Apr 09
Yup, there are surely plenty of planets to "re-locate" to, Dawnald darlin. And I suppose our souls will know where to go at the right time. But I wonder, that's all, dawnald, I just seem to wonder. Probably too much. But it's interesting, that's for sure.
Great to see you. Always!!! See ya out there in the Land of Lot, kiddo. Take care of yerself.
@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
28 Apr 09
Or maybe Earth will be reincarnated first...
@kprofgames (3091)
• United States
29 Apr 09
I'm not too worried about it. By the time this all really comes into play, we'll all be living on Mars!
@novataylor (6570)
• United States
30 Apr 09
Mars! But, but, isn't that a man's planet? lol, sorry, just kidding. I wouldn't mind seeing Mars. But it doesn't seem terribly hospital at this time. Maybe the Rover will eventually find something worth exploring, eh?
@cobra1368 (702)
• United States
28 Apr 09
Why be concerned with the "what ifs?" I personally believe that the Earth will cease to exist only when the sun enters its red giant phase and grows to the point that it destroys our whole solar system. That is a few billion years from now, so we have plenty of time to reincarnate many, many, many times. And, like others have mentioned earlier, our souls will have achieved a higher state of being by then.
I really don't think everything will just all of a sudden cease to be. That doesn't make sense. Matter can neither be created nor destroyed. It changes forms, but it never just goes away. I realize that souls may not be matter...or are they just a form of matter not yet discovered?
@novataylor (6570)
• United States
29 Apr 09
I agree, it is nice to get other peoples' perspectives. It does open up new lines of thought and what's better than opening yourself up to new stuff, new ideas, and perhaps even get an epiphiny? I've so enjoyed this discussion! It's funny too. I didn't really expect most people to pick up on the "wanting comfort" aspect of it, but wow, so many have done so. And, as said before, I'm definitely NOT consumed with any kind of worry, but apparantly, the other night, I did have some concern about the subject. What a lovely thing to receive comfort when asked for, wouldn't you say?
And now I carry on my mostly carefree life. It's really wonderful, at this time in my life, I'm happier than I've ever been. How nice to know that the best times haven't already come and gone. They just get better.
@novataylor (6570)
• United States
29 Apr 09
Our souls as a form of matter not yet discovered. Interesting concept cobra. And why be concerned with what ifs? I'm not consumed with worry, but the question did come into my head and I wanted other opinions about it, which I've gotten, to my delight and pleasure. And it doesn't have to be "what if I HAD DONE this or that", it could, and should be, "what if I DO do this or that". Talk about opening up new worlds......
@cobra1368 (702)
• United States
29 Apr 09
It's always nice to get the perspective of others. Every time I talk to different people about a subject, I always either learn something new, or at least open my mind up to possibilities that I had never thought of.
:)
@maxbest (97)
• China
28 Apr 09
wow,you really thought too much of these deep question.How to say,I also imagine some of the tragady pictures you referred to.That was horrible,every time I thought that,I felt uncomfortable,and a little fear.So I converted to other thing imediately whenever I meet that situation.
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@novataylor (6570)
• United States
29 Apr 09
Hello Maxbest and welcome to the Lot!!! And you're right, I've thought too much about the question I've posed here. And it is a scary thought, the thought of the world ending or being completely awash with tsunamis and floods. So I'm glad to know that you converted to the other thing! Way to go! Happy myLotting, Maxbest!
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@AmAllen (119)
• United States
28 Apr 09
The the reincarnation cycle HERE is no more. Are we foolish enough to believe we are the only lfeforms in a vast universe that is unexplored. So what the earth is no more, if reincarnation does actually exsist, then couldn't it be said that reincarnation cycles would actually continue as long is there is an inhabitable planetary unit someone in the universe.
I mean really truly I can't believe that we humans on earth are the only "intelligent" life forms. That is is a very self centered thought. Do i believe there are farther advanced cultures than our own in the universe, maybe, but as for "not making direct contact" nah, Why wouln't they be curious about us and want to make contact and give hope to our world if they had some highly advanced technology. HAHA the solution to world peace.
@novataylor (6570)
• United States
28 Apr 09
Yeah, I don't believe that we could be the only intelligent life forms either, AmAllen. Who knows why or when contact will be made, but I'll bet it will be. And hey, maybe it WILL be the solution to world and universal peace. But it's just too big a question to take on without some coffee, which I've just now made and am preparing to enjoy a cup of.....till later, my friend......
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@royal52gens (5488)
• United States
28 Apr 09
Can I choose to be reincarnated as a star or a small moon?? I really would prefer to be a butterfly but if the earth is gone, I would have to choose something else. This is an interesting concept.
@novataylor (6570)
• United States
29 Apr 09
Hello Royal!! Yes, of course, if we have a choice, why not? But I'm not sure about the consciousness of a small moon or star and I want consciousness. I want to learn and grow with each new life. I want the true "end" of reincarnation. I want nirvana, the highest consciousness, where we don't need our bodies anymore. That's what I strive for. But if it's a butterfly you want, then it's a butterfly I hope you get, darlin. To each her own. Thank you so much for weighing in here!!
@royal52gens (5488)
• United States
13 Oct 09
I probably responded to this one before but oh well. I will do it again.
I ran across this discussion. It is 6 months old and it still makes me stop to think. I would like to come back as a butterfly and live in a warm climate. But if the world were to cease to exist, then I might have to make other plans. I might have to seek out other planets so I have alternative options. Maybe I will come back as a planet or a moon. Then I can help others by being there for them. I hope they don't pollute me and destroy me. hmmm. Maybe I will be a small star that randomly cruises through the universe. I will defy the laws of physics. Woo Hoo!!!
@AD11RGUY (1265)
• United States
19 Jan 10
Oh my darling Nova T! Why so limited a scope? You could return as any of several different kinds of life. You could return as a powerful, unbound energy such as the sun. You could be the all mysterious dark matter that holds together the universe. Yes, these are foreign to our general line of thought under the category "life", but they are real and for all we know, way more exciting than what we accept things of this nature to be. I would love to be an inter-galactic explorer in some life. Just cruisin' around like Ford Prefect in HitchHiker's Guide to the Galaxy. But the physical body form would not be important to me. Just as long as I can enjoy the experience I'll be fine.