Should people stand up for what is right ... even if it is unpopular?
By ladyluna
@ladyluna (7004)
United States
April 30, 2009 7:18am CST
Hello All,
Do you think that it's important to stand up for what you believe in, even if it is unpopular? Even if you will have to pay a penalty for standing firm in your convictions?
Have you ever done this?
In the end, did you believe it was worth it?
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21 responses
@baileycows (3665)
• United States
30 Apr 09
Yes, I think that they should. It is only right and you should do it even if it is just for yourself. You deserve to speak your mind and how you feel if you hold it all in then you will be the one that is losing.
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@AngryKittyMSV (4317)
• United States
30 Apr 09
I do think it is important to stand up for what you believe in regardless of the consequences - within reason. You have to choose your battles, it's not a good idea to go crazy over everything that annoys you, but there are some things that if you feel strongly about you should be willing to go down in a flaming blaze of glory over it.
I have stood up for things, and suffered a variety of consequences for it that I would gladly suffer again. As a child I had gotten detention for standing up to a bully and then had the teacher wrongly accuse me of something and give me MORE detention because I would not back down from my stance when I KNEW I was right (she later apologized). As a teen I got thrown out of school altogether for refusing to back down from something I felt strongly about. A lie would have spared me, but I would not say I was sorry for something I wasn't sorry about. I've lost jobs for the same reason, but then figured if they want a liar or a sycophant as an employee it wasn't the right place for me anyway.
I used to get thrown out of bars many years ago when I used to go to those places for refusing to back down from what I believed was the right thing to do.
I have held my head high in the knowledge that I would not change my morals to suit somebody else's agenda as I have walked out or been dragged out of places. LOL
I've been thrown out of places on the web (cough cough) and here at mylot seen my stupid star go all kinds of colors. I'll never back down from what I believe is right, but if I see that I may have been in error I apologize to the people I may have wronged.
I will fight to my last breath the things I feel are worth fighting for, but as I said, I choose my battles - I am not going to crash and burn over things I only feel lukewarm about, ya know?
You'd think I'd constantly be in battle because I am willing to go all out for what I think is right, but it is not the case because there is an overwhelming amount of things in this life that I just don't give a crap about one way or another. If I care about something I care a LOT, so my default self preservation mechanism is that there is not a whole lot of things I actually care about.
Some things are worth dying for, some things are worth fighting for, some things are worth a protest, some things are worth a few comments, some things ain't worth a damn to me. The degree of my fierceness is directly related to the level of importance something has to me.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
1 May 09
Hello Kitty,
I apologize that it's taken this long to respond. My internet connection was on the fritz most of the day yesterday. Grrrr!.
Anyway, to your response -- WOW! Your commitment to your convictions is highly admirable. I only wish that more folks were willing to 'put it on the line' when it mattered most. Our pandemic plague, known as apathy, has become a 'pillar' in the 21st century. I fear a world where people just can't muster up the will to 'give a crap'.
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
2 May 09
AngryKitty,
Gosh, now I don't have to leave a long response in this thread. Anything I'd likely say, you've already said it.
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@AngryKittyMSV (4317)
• United States
4 May 09
What some see as a great commitment others see as stubbornness. My greatest character traits are also my greatest flaws. Two sides of the same coin.
Thanks for the compliments though!
@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
2 May 09
In any large group of people, the average IQ approaches the statistical average of 100 and the standard deviation is 15. When an individual within the group 2 standard deviations above the mean or even higher expresses an opinion contrary to the consensus majority opinion, the majority will conclude the high IQ person is stupid! It happens all the time. Now, here's the answer to your question.
Yes, people should stand up for what is right, even if it unpopular, but they should be prepared to personally deal with the phenomona mentioned previously.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
2 May 09
Hello Red,
Thanks for sharing your thoughts here.
Yes, I see your point about the penchant of the masses to perceive contrary perspective as a sign of 'stupidity'. It's far easier to label someone as 'stupid' than it is to take the time, and commit the personal resources to glean an understanding of the opposition view.
I agree that the we must be prepared to deal with the backlash when we "walk to the sound of a different drummer".
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@whiteheather39 (24403)
• United States
30 Apr 09
I am pretty sure I know what gave you the inspiration to start this discussion. To answer your question yes I do but it depends on how important or passionate I am about the topic to what length I will go in my stance.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
1 May 09
Hello Heather,
Sorry about the delay in getting back to you. My internet service provider was knocked out most of yesterday.
Anyway, yes I believe that you're probably 'spot on' about the muse behind this topic.
I wholeheartedly agree that it is important to know the depth of one's conviction regarding any battle. Great point!
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@kholid78 (341)
• Indonesia
1 May 09
4 years ago I have a job to lead usage fund to a public project, its about aqueduct development at gangway.
But my neighbours prefer to use that fund for ossification of that street. Though they know that this area often floods, even I fail in intake of voice.
Then I retiring from that job, because I know that they violated on usage of fund. Very sad but I proud about my decission.
Nowadays has proven that I am right. That street has been destroyed so hard cause hit floods
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
2 May 09
Hello Kholid78,
Thanks for sharing your personal experience in this regard.
If I may inqure, did anyone from your former office ever contact you to discuss your prior protest? I imagine that at least someone in the office had to remember the stance you took.
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@kholid78 (341)
• Indonesia
2 May 09
I just selected at random by local Gov. to manage this fund.
This fund is donation from my regional gov. for aqueduct project. But its amount is so bit, hence its needed more cash from people who use this facilitation. People's considering is that street ossification has more usefull than aqueduct. More than anything else they must defraiying this project more than amount of Gov donation.
@PrarieStyle (2486)
• United States
1 May 09
Yes we should. If only our members of congress believed we should stand up for what's right even if it's unpopular.
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@KrazyKlingon (5005)
• United States
30 Apr 09
Quite often, it depends on how it's done.
It seems that throughout history, it has been done, & even sparked wars & costed lives. Some of those wars include 1860's The Civil War in the United States. Lives lost include Abraham Lincoln, Dr Martin Luther King Jr, Egypt's Anwar Sadat, an Israeli prime minister that if it had not happened, would have brought peace between Israel & the Palestinians ... the list goes on & on. If I knew all of the situations, occurrences, & people who stood up for what is right, Mr W would probably have to grab all of that cash that went to simulus stipends by the Obamunists (Hey - I am the original one who came up with that name.) to purchase additional hard drive space for the MyLot servers.
Keep in mind that just because it might be unpopular, there are many others who feel the same way. Quite often, it's best to seek those people out, & let the "numbers" go in full force instead of going at it alone.
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@KrazyKlingon (5005)
• United States
30 Apr 09
By the way, we do have a MyLot interest just for that at:
http://www.mylot.com/w/lists/13_351605/default.aspx
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@KrazyKlingon (5005)
• United States
30 Apr 09
Your current one is also in the top ten.
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@AngryKittyMSV (4317)
• United States
30 Apr 09
Ha! TWO of my old names and my current name are in the top ten on the Standing Up For What is Right leaderboard!
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@TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (4822)
• United States
2 May 09
Standing up for my convictions has cost me a lot of everything, there is a financial burden, the burden on time as a parent as well as with your spouse, standing up for my convictions has cost me a very important piece of my life that I once believed was true and that was the word as taught by the church.
I now know better and have fixed the error of the ways that I was taught.
I lost my ability to be a person and a parent, I would say that I was once a partner to a wife but that would not be true as history will reveal.
I still sleep well at night with the hope of a new tomorrow and a new beginning that I will be restored and respected for the good person that I really am.
I learned not to be so trusting of those people in their positions of authority to be accountable to the truth as they do not have a belief in anything that is true to begin with. They bought the lies and in the lies they think they have found the path to a god, in the end they will find the truth and that is they have believed in nothing. The reason they believe in nothing is because they can't find either their god of evil or their god of good when they follow the path that is wide and full of lies that they teach to themselves and others.
The truth is not complicated and always moves forward. When you are stuck in a rut and the lies foul all the good you have done making life the subject of false information to make you into something that you are not then that is the time that you have to take a stand for something or everything will be lost and you'll end up with nothing.
The first question to ask is do you believe in Satan or the Devil?
The second question applies personal accountability to letting the truth be known.
True followers know the truth is the key to being free. Yet that path is quite narrow where no lie can exist the line in the sand is cut by a lie if you tell the truth you will find the narrow path to life eternal.
The final question is would you cast the first stone?
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
2 May 09
Every time I hear that "Cast the first stone" remark or question, I think of the following joke.
Jesus the Christ is giving the sermon concerning "Casting the first stone". The adulterous women is tied to a stake in the middle of the crowd. Jesus is speaking.
Just as Jesus says, "Let he among you who is without sin, cast the first stone!" a stone comes a hurtling from the back of the crowd. The stone hits the poor adulterous woman in the head and slays her on the spot.
Jesus, shouts toward the back of the crowd, "Mom, sometimes you really make me mad!"
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
2 May 09
Hello GreatWhiteBuffalo,
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this.
I am aware from our history of interaction that your convictions have cost you dearly. I'm relieved to say that my 'stand' isn't nearly as pervasively affecting as those that have guided you to your present. Yet, the truth that even the little transgressions toward deception for expedience do tend to accumulate, eventually taking a toll on one's character and willingness to live by the principles that helped to formulate them personally, and the greater society. It's not so unlike the concept that telling one lie often requires a second to cover the first, and a third to cover the second.
As to casting the first stone -- that's an intriguing, and weighty question. I suspect that a situational analysis would be necessary before such a decision could be responsibly pursued.
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@Destiny007 (5805)
• United States
30 Apr 09
I believe you should always stand up for your beliefs, no matter the cost.
Shortly that will be even more important than it ever has been before.
If Congress gets it's way, many will be penalized for their beliefs, but I for one am going to stand firm.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
1 May 09
Hello Destiny,
I have no doubt that you will continue to stand firm in your beliefs, my friend. It is clear to me that you carry your convictions and moral compass very close to your heart. I deeply respect that characteristic. Thank you!
Sadly, I suspect that you are correct about the growing importance for people of conviction to stand resolute.
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@miamilady (4910)
• United States
1 May 09
Yes, I believe it's good to stand up for what you believe in even if it is unpopular. BUT, you have to weigh the pros and the cons of doing it.
For example, will it bring harm to your children?
Will the stress of being an outcast affect your physical and mental health.
Will supporting this cause bring you physical harm by extremists?
Is the cause worthy off all these risks?
It's good to stand up for whats right. I admire people who can. But we need to weigh the benefits against the risks sometimes.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
1 May 09
Hello Miamilady,
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this issue.
You raise a key point about assessing the risk/reward scenario of any conscious choice. I agree with you that the risk/reward analysis is elemental. Though, I would further purport that the risk/reward analysis should take long-term vs. short-term effect into consideration. What may seem right or wrong in the short-term, can appear very, very differently from the long-term perspective, don't you think?
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@miamilady (4910)
• United States
1 May 09
ladyluna, I agree that considering long-term vs short-term effects should also be considered
TR - admire that you are openminded enough to listen to others and rething your positions on certain topics. More people should be like you. :-)
It is not weak to consider another person's point of view and consider your own. Sometimes it is the wise thing to do.
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@TRWilliams02 (349)
• United States
1 May 09
Well said Miami! I think as long as it isn't life threatening to yourself, family members and friends then stand up! I think that helps people to understand all sides to situations and matters that might be argumenative. Honestly, being on myLot has helped me see many sides to topics that I may have only been one sided on before. But, there are times when I feel people are down right wrong and my two cents will be put in. I hope that this may give them an understanding from someone else's perspective.
@drannhh (15219)
• United States
30 Apr 09
I am a great believer in standing up for what is right, yet at the same time the years have taught me to choose my battles. One CAN fight "City Hall" but maybe only in one city at a time, if you know what I mean. Yes, one always pays a penalty for standing firm in one's convictions, and one must realize that BEFORE one enters the fray, and prepare for it. But in the end it is almost always worth it, because anything less constitutes a life of shame and demeaned slavery. Many of the ills of society would not even exist if even a handful of people had the moral fortitude to stand up for just 1/10th of what they know is right just part of the time, I think.
However, one needs to consider the little matter of ownership. Some things do not belong to everyone, so sometimes there is a fine line between meddling and being righteous. I guess when we cross that line it is called being self-righteous. Everyone, I think, should have a little zealot inside, but not to carry it to excess, perhaps. Or if the situation warrants excess, one must learn from Machiavelli, and shoot all of the little duckies at once, so as not to leave any disgruntleds behind to plot revenge.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
1 May 09
Hello Drannhh,
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this. And, please accept my apology for haveing taken this long to get back with you. My I.S.P. was 'down' for most of the day yesterday. Grrrrr!
Hmmm, so if we were finally able to mainstream futuristic technologies, like teleportation, then maybe we could embrace multiple City Hall battles? Oh wait, who has the energy for that? Beurocrats can be so very exhausting. That learned behavior of 'wearing people down' seems to be pretty much accross the board, eh?
I understand what you're saying. Certainly all battles are not equal. Though where would we be if certain zealots throughout history had limited themselves to restricting their inner zealot?
Your Machiavellian point is one which sadly has been forgotten by many -- though most especially by governing beurocrats. How many more 'innocent' lives have been destroyed or snuffed out completely because 'the vengeful' were 'allowed' to plot tomorrow's revenge?
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@Adoniah (7513)
• United States
30 Apr 09
Hello Lady,
It is very important to stand up for what you believe in even if it is very unpopular. I have done this many times in the past and have sometimes paid a heavy penalty for it. I have and will continue to stand firm as I have already told you just recently.
Do I think it was worth it? My personal ethics will allow me to do nothing else. Yes it is worth it.
Shalom~Adoniah
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
1 May 09
Hello Adoniah,
First, I'm terribly sorry to have not gotten back to you before now. My rural I.S.P. was out most of yesterday, and has been problem-ridden ALOT recently. Grrr!
That your inner voice prevents you from turning a blind eye is what I respect so very much about you. "Ethics" is unfortuately a concept that used to be much more universally understood on a core level. The growing trend toward moral and ethical relativism is deeply troubling for society as a whole.
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
3 May 09
If we don't stand up for what we believe, we are living a lie and betraying ourselves and our principles. I may not agree with a tree-hugger saying that farming should shut down because a certain kind of mosquito will be killed but if that's what they believe they should fight for it whatever the odds.
I have stood up for my beliefs, I started at a very young age. In 7th grade I won the right to study in the library rather than go to "pep rallies". In high school I refused to withdraw my home economics project that depicted the plans for a round house with a central courtyard--the teacher ridiculed it and said nobody would live in a place like that. I accepted the D rather than cave to her narrow thinking.
If you don't stand up for your beliefs you lose your dignity and integrity. And that is just about the only things that nobody can rob you of.
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
4 May 09
Kitty, that was back in 1972 when all houses were square or rectangular! Mine had a central courtyard that all the rooms faced, a huge tree and garden in the middle perfect for children to play in or adults to relax in. My mom was quite angry and told that teacher a thing or two--politely, of course! My mom always stuck up for me when I was right, I was very unconventional. Now there are round houses! My alternate design was an underground house with skylights all over the roof and a garden underground that got light all day. Now, of course, there are lots of underground houses--I was a visionary!
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@AngryKittyMSV (4317)
• United States
4 May 09
I know there are round houses now, but I haven't seen any quite like what you describe. You obviously have a very insightful mind, be sure to get a patent for your next idea and pursue it, it may make you rich and/or save the world!
@AngryKittyMSV (4317)
• United States
4 May 09
I think a round house with a central courtyard would be AWESOME! I'd love to live in it, so your teacher is now proven to be a fool.
With the house surrounding the yard, you could let the kiddos play and not worry about them wandering off or getting snatched off the street by some lunatic! I WISH I had a yard like that so I could let my kids enjoy laying without mommy hovering around - the way I once enjoyed playing as a child when the world was much less scary.
Your idea for a home is one of the best I have ever heard of, maybe when the housing market gets out of the crapper you should consider pursuing your idea - I think it'd be a winner!
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@tammytwo (4298)
• United States
1 May 09
I take pride in teaching my children to always stand up for what is right rather than popular. In fact I even lost a job about a year ago because I stood up for what I believe is right and the new boss we were just 'blessed with' didn't like it. From day one the lady didn't like me because I told her I wouldn't do things they way she was asking because they weren't right in my eyes. She didn't say that was why I was fired and never gave me a real reason for my termination. However I'm not the only person in town that felt that was why i was let go.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
1 May 09
Hello Tammytwo,
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this issue. I'm sorry to hear that you lost your job in the situation that you described. Just out of curiosity -- did a new door of opportunity open after that window closed? I refer to the old addage that when a window closes a door to new opportunity will often present itself.
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@whyaskq (7523)
• Singapore
1 May 09
Personally, I feel there is no need to go into such extreme. Standing up is just to make your voice heard. However, to pay a penalty for it, it would mean to me it is something that is above law. Standing up for such is akin to being stubborn in one's thoughts. What matters is being happy. Unless one is happy to pay penalty after having said one's piece. No, I do not think it is important in this respect.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
1 May 09
Hello Whyask,
It's nice to visit with you again. I hope that you're well, healthy & happy.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this issue. While I do not necessarily agree with your perspective, I appreciate that you are willing to openly share it.
Do you really believe that people only pay a penalty when their 'standing up' represents something that is "above law"? Unfortunately, I see many, many examples where people pay a penalty for their beliefs and values, when they've broken no law, and have violated no historical norm. I.e. I see broad sweeping assaults on beliefs and values that are tragically being ignored by the apathetic majority. To me, that is wrong on so many levels. I do not understand how people can be truly 'happy' when injustice is growing all around us. To present a global example: how many nation-states have individually and collectively as the United Nations, condemned the assault and slaughter in Darfur, yet no one seems willing to do other than spew words of condemnation. Alot of good words do when people are being systematically attacked & harmed, eh?
I agree that it's crucial to personal survival to be able to put blinders on situationally or for certain periods of time, so as to prioritize. Though, what does it mean for society if people tend to leave those blinders on, and forget to look outside of their own little world?
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@whyaskq (7523)
• Singapore
2 May 09
Thanks, my lady. I am well and kicking except hands are tied up. LOL. Injustice is all around the world. Last time, I used to get emotional over injustice, but now, I am past that stage... guess I am getting old... I prefer to take a what-else can one do attitude.
@Guardian208 (1095)
• United States
6 May 09
Here I come, to the dance, late!
Sorry LadyLuna as you know my time online here has been limited, but I wanted to share a thought or two, ok maybe three.
1. Of course we would all agree that we should stand up for our convictions even if they are unpopular or have uncomfortable consequences. How many of us would say, "No, even though I think that it is wrong I'm willing to let it go."? Not many of us would admit that. But the truth is is that we all do that everyday. How many of us see people mistreating their kids in the store but don't say anything? How many of us see people walk out of a store with unpaid item under their cart? How many of us "fudge" on our tax returns? How many of us overhear someone straight out lying to a sales clerk to get something they don't deserve or return something that has been used etc.? Do we know anyone who is scamming the unemployment system? Welfare system? Insurance companies? Cheating on their time cards? Time at work? Cheating on their spouse? How many of those things do WE do?
The list goes on and on. The problem is that we have this notion of picking our battles which sounds logical but in reality we pick very few of them. There was a time when honor and integrity mattered. If as many of us that say we would stand up for our convictions actually would, this would be a different country.
2. The problem also is that we no longer share a common understanding of what is right and what is wrong anymore. We have drifted into a kind of selfish reality. If things don't impact us directly, we are happy to sit on the sidelines and observe or worse yet, hide our heads in the sand.
3. Yes there have been several times where I stood up for my convictions. One time when I was just out of college and selling copiers, my sales manager shared my first name. It turns out that a client I was about to close, an attorneys office, thought that I was my manager. When I told my manager, he told me to keep quiet until the deal was closed. I was not much of a salesman at the time and I really REALLY needed the sale. But when I got to the closing table and they were about to sign, I pulled the papers back to told them that I couldn't let them sign until I cleared something up. There was silence at the table as these two attorneys were told that they were misled this whole time. They looked at each other, and then at me and smiled. They appreciated my honesty and signed even more eagerly. Unfortunately my manager did not see things the same way and I got a solid chewing out for that. But I slept well that night.
There was another time when I was working the night shift at a gas station earning extra money for our upcoming wedding. One of the staff was stealing from the store side of the station and the manager was subjecting all of us to a lie detector test even though he had a pretty good idea who was stealing. I felt insulted. He confided in me who he thought it was and I agreed, but rather than confront this person, he decided on the tests. I felt that his actions undermined his authority and respect for me and the rest of the staff. If he trusted me enough to confide in me, then I shouldn't have to take the test. I took the test, was cleared, then quit.
I could go on but that sums it up I guess.
@rakesh284 (1472)
• India
1 May 09
If you really want to do something to help someone then it doesn't matter that it is popular issue or unpopular issue.
But you have to take care that you never hurt someone else while helping someone.
You also have to take care that you are doing the right thing by helping him.
These things really matters rather than being popular or unpopular.
@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
1 May 09
Hello Rakesh284,
If I'm correctly gleaning your meaning here, it sounds as though you are suggesting that it is really important to seek permission before just willy-nilly diving into meddling in someone else's personal life. If that is what you mean then I agree wholeheartedly. Meddling in someone's personal life, either with or without permission, can sometimes feel like walking into a lion's den.
Excellent points, Rakesh248. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this issue.
If I have incorrectly understood you, please do let me know, OK?
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@rakesh284 (1472)
• India
1 May 09
It is not exactly asking for permission but it means that we have to think that we are doing the right thing by helping someone.
Sometimes it might happen that we might get wrong and help wrong person.
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@jmlynn (46)
• United States
1 May 09
I definitely think it is important to stand up for what you believe in and make your voice be heard. I have done just that recently and I don't regret my decision to go against the grain. There are people who will try to beat you down over your opinion, but there is a point where you just have to stay true to yourself.
@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
2 May 09
Geesh, I don't know how I missed your response this morning Jmlynn. I apologize for the oversight. Also, welcome to this online community. I hope that you enjoy yourself here.
To your specific points: I believe that I know what you mean about people beating other people down over a difference of opinion. I hope that your experience with 'going against the grain' ends up on a more positive note. Everyone should be afforded the right to remain true to their core convictions. Great points -- thanks for sharing.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
1 May 09
Hello Balthier,
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this issue. And, welcome to MyLot. I hope that your enjoy yourself here.
Ah yes, pride. The most egregious among the Seven Deadly Sins. You make an excellent point with this pearl of wisdom.
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