Plastic Bags Ban
By crazyredhead
@crazyredhead (954)
United States
May 7, 2009 10:15am CST
I work at a grocery store and I recently had a customer tell me that the president had done something in regards to a plastic bag ban. I try to research this and only found isolated bans, nothing country-wide. Does anyone have any information on this in regards to country-wide?
I haven't decided my opinion on this, although it makes me smile when people come through the line with all their cloth bags or decide to use paper. It's like they are doing their own little part - even if it turns out it doesn't do anything. It makes me smile because they are trying. I'll tell you one thing - it'll be good for the tiny trash bag business if it goes through.
What do you think about banning plastic bags? Do you think it'll help the environment? What would be the consequences of this? Pros and cons?
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@owlwings (43910)
• Cambridge, England
7 May 09
I certainly do think that using fewer plastic bags helps the environment. For one thing, plastic is made largely from oil and we all know that oil resources are running low. Unfortunately, it costs less (and uses less energy and water overall) to make a plastic bag than it does to make a paper bag, so, in that sense, plastic is better than paper. Plastic is more reusable than paper - you can take used plastic bags back to the store (for your own use) about 3 or 4 times on average but paper is biodegradable - used paper (especially unbleached paper printed with eco-friendly inks) can be made into compost even when it cannot be recycled. Paper bags can be recycled much more easily than plastic bags (but at a higher cost in terms of energy and water).
It has to be remembered, however, that most plastic and paper finds its way into landfill eventually. Too little is recycled. As you can begin to see, there is no quick and easy answer that says that plastic is better or worse than paper. In the long run, the things that help the environment most (and also help to keep down prices in the stores) is for people to be educated to reuse packaging and for the actual packaging of goods to be reduced and to be made easier to recycle than it is.
In the long run, it is about education: educating consumers to use less packaging by recycling it - both through sorting their trash and through re-using perfectly good (if a little crumpled) plastic and paper bags; educating both consumers and manufacturers in accepting more environmental friendly packaging by insisting on only necessary packaging and, where packaging is essential, making it easy to recycle.
Many large stores in the UK have their own programs to encourage recycling, for example, Tesco give extra 'green' points on their loyalty card if you bring your own bags. OK, so it's only about a penny return every time I shop, but those pennies add up and it does give me a kind of 'good' feeling when I don't need to use the shop's bags (which must reduce their overheads and have a very small knock-on effect on prices). I do, from time to time, have to accept shop bags because they are cheaper (to me) than buying bags to line the kitchen bin and waste paper baskets around the house!
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@owlwings (43910)
• Cambridge, England
19 May 09
Why, indeed, should we expect the shop to provide us with the wherewithal to carry things home? It is, after all a 'convenience' to us that the shop undoubtedly pays for (and actually makes a profit on) by putting a penny on the price of everything. It's insidious and much more complicated than that, of course, but the retail trade has been doing something like it for centuries - even before it was the norm to take a shopping basket with you if you were going shopping!
"Would you like it wrapped?" has always been a question that the shop owner would prefer you to answer "No thanks, no need!" to because he actually adds a margin for the 'service' onto every purchase (if he is canny). Since the advent of the expectation of carrier bags for every sale, the two or three pence it costs is added on to the price of the goods as 20 or 30 pence ... and invisible because rounding up to x.99 always looks like a penny off (oh, and never fools the customer, of course!)
I am glad that Tesco and other retailers are offering 'green points' if you bring your own bags but, really, it is all cleverly calculated by the financial/marketing gurus to look a MUCH better incentive or bargain than it really is.
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@crazyredhead (954)
• United States
7 May 09
They certainly are cheaper than the tiny trash bags. :P It really is about education - I think if more people knew the facts they would buy at least one cloth bag. I know so many people think they are so expensive but you can get them for a buck at WalMart and some companies give them out free. If people knew about their resources then maybe things would start looking up.
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@JoyfulOne (6232)
• United States
7 May 09
I heard something about this the other day on the news. I don't remember which news I heard it on, but when it was airing it definitely got my attention. I have mixed feelings about it. On one hand, trees are a renewable source providing that forested lots are replanted for the future, on the other hand, those plastic bags do make things easier grocery wise lol. It takes forever for those plastic bags to disintegrate back into nature, and you have to wonder if the chemicals in the plastics won't eventually pollute the ground waters. The news segment I heard about this said that in U.S. we use 1 million of those plastic shopping bags per day, and with all that's used (different sizes, etc) we use 3 billion per year. That's a lot of waste!! This affects wildlife too...last year I had a giant bird that had a bag wrapped around it's feet and it couldn't fly. (You should see the getup I put on to remove the plastic from the bird...but it didn't even try and bite!)
I don't know if a ban is the correct way to go, but I like Walmarts plan on recycling them. They have a giant bin outside the store and you drop off your used bags there and they get recycled. If every store did that it would do a great deal to help our environment and waste. Maybe what they should do is charge a 5 cent per bag rate and then you get 5 cents deducted for returned bags. Prior to the 70s they used to do that with the glass pop bottles and nobody ever just threw them away because there was still some value in them. Kind of a win/win situation because the store really isn't putting anything out except the money that was paid in for the bag in the first place. The only one who lost money were those who threw them away rather than redeem their nickel back.
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@owlwings (43910)
• Cambridge, England
7 May 09
I can assure you that a plastic bag cost MUCH less than a nickel to produce (and for the store to buy). In the days when a refund was charged on bottles (there are some companies that still do this in the US) the bottles were taken back to the factory and washed and refilled, so it was worth their while. These days, I believe, because of health concerns, you can't do this - the glass has to be crushed and used as cull. Only a certain percentage of cull is acceptable in glass packaging products. The rest of the glass waste can, however, be used in many different ways - including building materials and road making.
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@crazyredhead (954)
• United States
7 May 09
As far as charging 5 cents per bag goes, I think the main problem is that people would bring back bags that they did not get there just to get more money. The store would end up out money. Although I do like that WalMart has a big box outside for the bags, I've seen them before too. I see plastic bags tied up in trees and flying around by the road all the time and it scares me to think where it might end up. The person that told me we were getting rid of them said it was country-wide, do you know anything about this?
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@rsa101 (38166)
• Philippines
8 May 09
In my place I am aware that the groceries are encouraging the use of clothe bags when buying their groceries. But it has not been strictly implemented and I seldom see many people using it. I guess the plastic problem is so rampant that we are really degrading out environment in a monumental rate. I would hope that soon people would soon be implementing this so that the environment can slowly heal itself. Although I believe that this will take some time and we might not even see the day that we have recovered from the invasion of plastics from our environment.
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@crazyredhead (954)
• United States
8 May 09
We may not but maybe the next generation will start to reap the benefits. We need to think for the future for sure.
@Anora_Eldorath (6028)
• United States
8 May 09
In doing a bit of research I came across an article from two years ago when San Francisco was the first city to "ban" plastic bags in shopping markets. At that time nearly 180billion plastic bags were being created to serve shopping centers across America. That's a lot of plastic, and we all know a great many of them end up in places they shouldn't. I know that our local store has a place to bring bags back and recyle them. Our trash has to be in plastic bags, so I use the plastic bags I get from shopping to take care of it. I wish we'd go to being like San Fran China town where people can put trash out in their dumpsters without bags. I know it might mean washing bins, but then we might get people to consider what is recycable, what is for the compost pile, and what is garbage. Oh, I have so many thoughts on this issue. In the times when I don't need plastic bags for trash, I have green reusable bags that I take with me. At our one store we get points for bringing bags which ends up saving us money off our grocery bill. My meats come packed in paper, which is recyclable.
Perhaps one day we'll make a huge leap forward where trash is concerned.
Namaste-Anora
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@crazyredhead (954)
• United States
8 May 09
That's cool that you can save money with the bags. And the thing without trash bags would be interesting. It would probably save quite a bit in the way of trash bags and you are right - it would teach people to recycle more. I tend to wash the bins anyways, they get so gross and smelly.
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@Canellita (12029)
• United States
8 May 09
Plastic shopping bags are for the most part unnecessary. Plenty of people are buying and using those reusable cloth bags and many people have used cloth and other market bags for years.
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@crazyredhead (954)
• United States
8 May 09
I have seen A LOT of people with cloth bags but many simply forget to grab them before leaving home or forget them in the car. If it could become habit I'm sure a lot of people could do it. Making plastic bags unavailable is a good way to make it habit. Although I'm still wondering if there is any truth to this being country-wide?
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@crazyredhead (954)
• United States
8 May 09
It's so hard to say "NO MORE PLASTIC BAGS!" once you think about all the things we use them for throughout our daily lives. Try going one day without using any plastic grocery bags - unless you buy tiny trash bags from the store for your tiny trash bins - that's near impossible. Right now, from where I sit - I can see three plastic bags and I can already think of two more throughout the house as well as about sixty in a bag sock in the doorway.
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@beachstarz (1092)
• United States
8 May 09
I like my plastic bags . I like to line trash cans with the white ones and give
the colored ones to a friend . My friend crochets shopping bags and purses out of old plastic bags . Even though there are things I like about them , something really needs to be done about them soon. I live in a small fishing village in Mexico and alot of days I spend picking up plastic bags that have washed up on
the beach. These plastic bags float in the oceans attracting birds and fish . I wonder how many sea birds or sea turtles die because of plastic bags .
I'm going for my morning walk on the beach when I'm done writing this , and I bet I will find 25 plastic bags washed up on the beach . It's very upsetting and really needs attention . Thanks for bringing up a great discussion !
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@kellyt82 (204)
• United States
7 May 09
I am all for the ban of plastic grocery bags. I think it is a big waste. Anything that will cut down our use could have positive effects on our environment. I am one of those people that go through the grocery lines with my own cloth bags. I have never even bought one of these bags- I have about 6 that I have gotten for free from various companies. I am also against the use of extra or unnecessary packaging on products sold in stores but this is a whole other discussion!
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@crazyredhead (954)
• United States
7 May 09
That is so cool that you got your cloth bags for free. I have three that I bought for a $1 each. They really aren't that expensive, people spend more money on candy bars and soda than they do on the cloth bags. They could take the money they could spend on ONE candy bar and buy a bag. Win-win.
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@crazyredhead (954)
• United States
7 May 09
I wouldn't like paying 5 cents/bag. Cloth bags are so good for these situations.
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@barehugs (8973)
• Canada
8 May 09
We went to the Supermarket this morning, and when we approached the checkout counter the Cashier asked if we had our own bags. When we said," No," she announced that the plastic bags are now .05 cents each. Our groceries filled 3 plastic bags and we carried them to the car. I was surprised at how strong these new bags are, and how much better they are to pack the groceries in. I mentioned to the wife that I prefer these new thicker bags, and we will bring them back to use over and over in the future. Its about time we stopped littering!
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@crazyredhead (954)
• United States
8 May 09
That's a good idea. And you are definitely right - it is time to stop littering. :D
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@beautyqueen26 (16030)
• United States
7 May 09
I have not watched the news today so I couldn't say.
I used to have the big news channels and was up on all
this info.
As for my own opinion, I think a ban is a good thing.
It's a small step, but an important one.
We used to shop at a place that charged for plastic bags,
maybe one penny a piece.
But you could take your groceries home for free in a box
that they provided. Most times, they were big shipping boxes
that the food arrived at the store in.
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@crazyredhead (954)
• United States
7 May 09
Wow, that is definitely one way to use all the boxes. Where did they keep the boxes? There are SO many boxes that come in on our truck days I can't imagine keeping them in an easily accessible spot for the checkers and packers.
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@deejean06 (1952)
• United States
8 May 09
Hi crazyredhead...I too have some of the cloth bags but I mostly use the plastic bags when I go to the grocery store. Then we reuse all of them for garbage bags so we haven't bought garbage bags in over 10 years. I haven't heard of this bag ban, but I have to ask if they put a ban on the bags in the grocery store then what will people use for their garbage bags? Does that mean that the next ban is on garbage bags? What will we use to dispose of our garbage?
@crazyredhead (954)
• United States
8 May 09
You are on the same train of thought as I am. The first thing I thought when I heard about this was "oh, that's good for the environment - but what about the tiny trash bins?!"
@prinzcy (32305)
• Malaysia
7 May 09
I prefer to use shopping bags. It might be a bit costly to buy one at first but we can use it multiple times. Plus, we will help to reduce usage of plastic bags when shopping. Plastic took years to compost. I think it take more than 600 years. This is unhealthy to nature and create more pollution. It is easy to use and cheap but think of the consequences.
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@crazyredhead (954)
• United States
7 May 09
Are you talking about cloth shopping bags? Some places have them for only $1 whereas others have them for up to $2.50. Either way it's totally worth it.
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@samdeb (82)
• Muzaffarpur, India
8 May 09
yup it is right to use the clothbags and paper bags because we all know that plsctic bags are how much harmful. they are non bio degradable and does not decomposes easily by microorganism so it is yery dangerous so u avoid giving the costumers plastics and request them to bring clothbags
this way u will help your earth to keep it clean
@crazyredhead (954)
• United States
8 May 09
I ask paper or plastic all the time - most say "plastic is fine" but quite a few say "whatever is easier" and that's when I use the opportunity and put them in paper and subtly mention cloth bags.
@risktaker (13)
• Philippines
7 May 09
That's a very good idea! To get rid of those non-biodegradable trash or at least lessen it will be a big help our environment. I hope that they push this ban worldwide!
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@crazyredhead (954)
• United States
7 May 09
I can't see the ban making it worldwide, we can try - but I don't know that it would happen.
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@patrickmaher (12)
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7 May 09
firstly i aggree with you intirely because it takes 50odd thousends years to degrade so it is a big cost to out enviroment but my biggest issue is what wil we use intead? plastic life long bags, you forget when you go to the supermarket, paper bags cant hold to much wait and so plastic bags is just admitedly the easy option.
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@crazyredhead (954)
• United States
7 May 09
Paper bags actually hold more weight. Maybe my store just has strong bags, I don't know. But I know that I use paper bags when there are a bunch of cans because they can get heavy. The plastic just rips right open. And at my store - our paper bags have handles so it's easier to carry too. They are certainly a pain to put in the cart after they are full though.
The other truly great option is cloth bags. Buy a few cloth bags for a couple of bucks at your local WalMart and if you have too much stuff then just put what's left in the paper bags.
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