Disciplining children
By bamakelly
@bamakelly (5191)
United States
May 22, 2009 12:31pm CST
I have a little five year old boy and I have some trouble in the discipline department. He is not in school just yet but I hope that he will be ready when the time comes.
I also hope that he will listen when there are other authorities around.
I have some trouble sometimes with punishing. I am not sure that it has a good effect on him in the way that he reacts and seems angry.
I know that I need to do the right thing and come down on him when he deserves it.
I was wondering if any of parents have any tips on handling a five year old boy that might have a tantrum or just doesn't want to listen.
Thank you for all opinions.
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22 responses
@mommaj (23112)
• United States
23 May 09
The best advice I can give is consistency with such a vague question. If you give him time outs it's best one minute per year. Not only do you need to punish him when he needs it but you need to do it every time for the same actions. What do you mean how he reacts and gets angry? You might have a bigger problem than you think. If you don't discipline consistently I can see why he would get angry because you let him get away with it previously so why can't he do it now? If you do discipline every time he does the same thing you may want to discuss this with a pediatrician. Kids are going to get mad and pout, cry if they get in trouble. They don't want to be in trouble they want to do whatever they want to do. That reaction may be normal or it may not. Depends on the circumstances.
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@bamakelly (5191)
• United States
25 May 09
I am sorry if my question seemed a bit vague. When I say that my son gets angry it is just that. The fact that I try to punish him by putting him in a time out he starts to pout and raise a fuss.
I have also taken away some toys and it is not always easy to deal with but after a couple of days or so since I started this discussion things seem to be getting a little better.
My son just needs to know that I am the parent and the boss. I know that my son does not like to be disciplined but I imagine like you said it could be normal.
@mommaj (23112)
• United States
25 May 09
Well, at least he's getting better. Remember too, that weather has a lot to do with their actions. Something to do with barometric pressure, believe it or not. Also, kids goes through stages and sometimes the stage will last a long time and sometimes a few days. What can we do?
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@audrey7 (232)
• Jamaica
23 May 09
Parenting is hard work. We are not born as parents so there a number of skills we have to try out on our children and see which one works. There are two priciples to note when discipling a child.
1. You are preparing the child for life.
2. It is not cheap "love" you are working to achieve.
With this in mind as parents we ought to take a stand. When the child does something wrong confront him and explain to him. ALWAYS take the same stand on the same issue is he is VERY CLEAR that this is you position. Children want consistency and reaasurance. He can also be spanked on his bottom, but not in anger. Children need boundries. Do not be afraid to be stern. Most psychologist said that for children having a boundry is an aspect of love. Do not feel as though if you give freedom you are showing love. This is not true. I am reminded of a story that I will share. A young man was in prison and he called for his mother and ask her to bend down and he bit her on ear and told her that she caused him to be there. note this admonition 'Train up a child in the way he should grow so that when he is old, he will not depart from it.'I am a parent who have grown children and I have heeded what I am sharing. Happy Parenting!
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@bamakelly (5191)
• United States
28 May 09
Beautiful words and a lot to learn from! Thank you so much for your ideas and advice. You are so right. We are definitely not born as parents and can certainly not know what to expect from children from day one.
The only thing that we can do is teach them to have respect for themselves and others.
There is nothing wrong with discipline or punishment when the right time calls for it. We are their parents and we are here to guide them and let them know we are there for them.
I am starting to learn that boundaries are important and the children need them.
I can also understand that consistency and reassurance are also very important in keeping our children reminded how me we really do love and care for them.
Thank you so much and best regards!
@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
22 May 09
With my stubborn youngest, I found the key was not punishment but discipline. Punishing makes someone suffer for what they did. Discipline teaches them not to do it! Also, "make the punishment fit the crime" however you can work that in...if he doesn't do a chore, let him suffer the consequences. Did he forget to wash the vegetables as he was supposed to? Wash everyone's but his. If he won't eat it, tough. He learns what happens when his blows off a chore. If he has a smart mouth and talks back to you, take him away from polite company till he is ready to change. Not to a cozy room full of toys, but a very boring place. I hope this gives you some idea of how I worked it. Be sure he knows you don't want to punish him but teach him so that he will have the best life possible.
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
25 May 09
I think, from your attitude and the things I've learned about you, that you'll do just fine! We all make mistakes but luckily the children rarely remember them. If your parents did a good job with you, emulate their methods.
I worried about my future relationship with my sons, too, but like you I realized I couldn't be a friend and a parent all at once. So I was the parent. Now I'm both! My sons are 20 and 21 and we are very close now that the disciplinarian role is pretty much over with--they respect me for holding the line, keeping them on the straight and narrow (as much as possible--you have the teen years, ya know! ) and loving and supporting them.
The friendship will come later but only because you have been a parent and not a companion. Relax. I'm very sure that your future relationship will be great!
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@bamakelly (5191)
• United States
28 May 09
Thank you so much for your comforting words. As a mother I am sure you know a lot from experience. As you have said you are friendly with your grown children now and perhaps they gained a lot of respect for you over the years for keeping them in line.
I sometimes feel that a child feels a sense of love and security when there is order and organization from a parent.
I cannot simply just be my son's friend. It won't work that way. He will have a lot of friends in his life time but only one mother and father.
As parents we are there to protect them and love them. And also raise them to be respectful and good human beings.
I do worry from time to time. I truly do hope that my son and I will share a good relationship especially when he becomes an adult. These are the formidable years that we need to share and learn together.
Thanks once again for the words of encouragement dragon.
@bamakelly (5191)
• United States
25 May 09
I can see where you are coming from here where punishment and discipline are concerned. I imagine there is something of a contrast between the two. It is right that the punishment should fit the crime of course.
Taking away the toys as a form of discipline is a fine idea. It is something much coveted by the child especially when it comes to their dear toys and such.
I definitely do want to give my child the best life possible.
It is just that sometimes as a parent I am not sure what is best. I don't want to be mean but I can't be his friend either.
My son is going to have a hundred friends in his life time but only one set of parents. That is where I come in as a parent.
I need to teach him the right from wrong and teach him that he needs to have respect for me and others.
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@celticeagle (168334)
• Boise, Idaho
23 May 09
You really should check out www.loveandlogic.com. It is a treasure trove of good techniques and guidance. You can get the book [there is one for small children and another for teens]from www.amazon.com. Great insight. Anger is very common. He doesn't know how to react probably and needs to be walked through it sometimes. Love and logic helped me so much. I hope you will check it out.
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@celticeagle (168334)
• Boise, Idaho
28 May 09
Certainly. Hope it is of as much help to you as it was to me. It just makes so much sense that it has to help alittle.
@bamakelly (5191)
• United States
28 May 09
Thanks. I think that I will check out that web site. It looks like it could help out tremendously.
It seems that you have learned a lot from the site and a book on the subject. I do need some insight right now.
I suppose that it serves to make a lot of sense that perhaps my son does not know how to act or react in certain situations and he needs to be guided and walked through with certain steps.
Take care and I appreciate the help.
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@Ritchelle (3790)
• Philippines
23 May 09
when i was growing up i totally hated the way i got disciplined. i wasn't hit or whatever but it is the cold treatment that i would get and the scolding that bothered me. my mom wasn't demonstrative and since i grew up with my father abroad ever since i was 5 years old this cold treatment and scolding wasn't balanced with a hug or kind talk afterwards.
when i was growing up and took up psychology in college i realized that those missing hugs and kind words would've made a lot of difference. we were 5 in the brood and my mother, being the only one left to look after us, cannot afford the luxury of a little demonstrativeness of her affections.
when i graduated from college and had been in demand in many jobs belonging to different fields i got to realize that mom didn't do a bad job after all.
now, my toddler gets the same scolding and cold treatment for only about 15 minutes (i couldn't bear it) and the hugs, kisses, jokes and warm talks afterwards .
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@bamakelly (5191)
• United States
28 May 09
Ritchelle, thanks for the words. You have truly brought a tear to my eye and I thank you for helping me think twice about how my actions affect my son and raising him.
To tell you the truth I am just so afraid of my son growing up one day and not respecting me or wanting to be close.
In reading your words I can see that you are a true testimony of a person that was treated in a certain way as a child and while some of the actions from your mother might have hurt you emotionally, you basically have demonstrated with your children that you learned so much from it.
It is so true that after punishment or scolding of a child it can prove comforting that it can be coupled with hugs or kisses later with an explanation as to why the child was punished in the first place.
It seems that you have done pretty well for yourself in your life and you have a lot to be proud of. I would like to award you for the best response here. I have received many other fine replies to this question however I am touched and moved the most by yours. Take care and thank you so much!
@winterose (39887)
• Canada
26 May 09
you have to be consistent,
for example if he doesn't want to go to bed, pick him up put him to bed, he comes out, pick up up put him back to bed, he comes out 50 times, do it fifty times until he realizes he is not going to win,
it is a battle of wills and you have to win not him, or you will always have a discipline problem, don't give in,
but then the following night, same bed time, and do it fifty times again if you have to,
don't say I am too tired to do this to night, so I will let him stay up,
wrong, wrong, wrong, you have just taught he to continue doing this charade until he wins,
in school he will get consistency, there are rules that have to be followed.
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@mflower2053 (3223)
• United States
24 May 09
I think all kids go through a stage where they are really trying to test their parents and see their reaction to things they do. What can we get away with today? Handling things as they happen instead of waiting is always the best thing to do. Even if your shopping. We use the buggy as a time out if they start acting up. Yes you will get looks but trust me their kids have had meltdowns before also. They are just seeing how you handle it. Let him know what he has done wrong and why you have punished him. We are their teachers and they don't know how to act unless we teach them right from wrong. Also make him apologize. When my kids hit each other I make them go sit in time out they are pretty young so its for a short time and if they want to come out they must apologize give a hug and a kiss to one another and if its one of us they have to do the same. Kids learn so much from our actions at very young ages. Talking to him and telling him what he has done after he throws his fit in time out is the best thing.
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@bamakelly (5191)
• United States
28 May 09
I will take some of your advice and I hope that it will go a long way! It is not easy raising a child these days. They certainly don't come with a book of instructions, do they?
Sometimes I feel that I will need to learn as I go. I can understand that children are going to try us and test us along the way and see just how far they can go.
I do think that it makes sense that children need to be taught how to behave right even when out in public. Sometimes you have to do what you have to do even if in front of on lookers.
After all, most parents go through the same problems with their children at some point in their lives.
That is what we are here for. To guide and to teach our children to become respectful adults. Take care and thank you.
@ladym33 (10979)
• United States
22 May 09
Five year old children are learning to test boundries, that are old enough to know what they can and can not get away with it and they are going are going to push it with their parents. What we parents need to do is be just as effective as they are. Always back up your threats, that is the most important thing. I always give my son one warning to stop doing something (he is 5 as well). If he does not he goes in time out. He does not like this so usually just the threat of it will have him snap to right away, because he knows I will do it. And time out means sitting in a specific place for 5 minutes and not talking. If your son is not accustomed to this you might have to sit next to him the first couple of times, and make sure he stays put, and remind him to be quiet if he talks to let him know this is a punishment for his actions. You must be very firm, and don't break down, even if you have to seem mean for that 5 minutes. This is very necessary. Then after the 5 minutes you can cuddle him and talk to him about what he did wrong, and make sure he realizes that is why he was punished. Five year old children do not like to sit still, they don't like to be quiet and they don't like it when mommy or daddy are firm with them. They don't like time out. If you do time out properly, just the mere threat of it should get him behaving after you have followed through with it for a couple of times. But you always have to back up your threats, if you tell him if he does something one more time he will go in time out and he does it again, you must follow through and do it. Very, very important. You need to let him know that it is you and not he that is in charge. Best of luck to you.
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@ProudMommy22 (705)
• United States
22 May 09
Well I have a 3 year old whom dont listen to NOTHING.And Seems to think hes always right when hes not and he'll back talk you faster than you can get anything out of your mouth usually. But when this is being down i'll let him say what he needs to then put him in time out which he hates and cant stand but he'll have to sit for however long i tell him to and i set a timer and when the timer gos off he can get up but not until then. Of course hes been poped on the butt but he just laughs about that so no point in doing that. So we've decided to start talking things he likes away and putting them up which that has worked very well too so those are the two things i do and they seem to work for me.
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@bamakelly (5191)
• United States
24 May 09
Thank you for the ideas. It sounds like you have your hands full with that little one of yours. Only three years old and he is behaving that way! I wish you a lot of luck and strength.
But then again my son started behaving a little more defiantly at the onset of three or four and I feel that if disciplining does not start early enough the road will become more rough as time marches on.
I believe as parents it is or duty to shape our children to become good adults with ethics and morals. And above all respect for their elders and other people around them such as their own peers.
Actually I have tried the putting certain toys away and that does seem to work temporarily. Any advice that I receive on this matter is very welcome.
Take care and thank you again.
@Ritchelle (3790)
• Philippines
29 May 09
hey, thanks for taking the time in choosing me as having the best response.
@Just4some (49)
• Canada
24 May 09
Hello we have a 4 year old and a 6 year old, and kids will always test the boundary with all figures of authority just so they know what they can get away with. The best advice buy, or borrow the book or video 123 Magic, it is wonderful you will be amazed at the turn around, no more frustration just learning how to warn your children that their current behaviour is unacceptable and calmly allowing them the chance to change it. Good luck and persevere as once there is good discipline structre ife feels so much more pleasant!
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@honeyballuu (16)
• Turkey
22 May 09
i don't know if this will help but on the BBC there's a programme where a children's psychologist goes to peoples houses and helps parents out with their kids behaviour. she always tells parents to encourage good behaviour of their kids by telling them how good they are and giving them lots of attention or giving them stickers, etc when they behave well. But when the kids behave badly she tells them to completely ignore the child such as if the kid won't go to sleep you don't go back and tell them to go to bed because that makes them think that they will get attention for bad behaviour.
@bamakelly (5191)
• United States
24 May 09
That makes a lot of sense what you have pointed out here where discipline is concerned. I have heard of this type of advice before where it is not good to reward bad behavior by showing too much attention.
Well one good thing is that my son does not give me too much a problem where going to bed is concerned!
There are just some other issues that arise that concern me.
I do also believe that it is important to encourage the good behavior as well. It probably helps the child feel appreciated and perhaps give them incentive to continue with better behavior.
A good piece of advice and thank you honeyballuu.
@idowrite72 (2213)
• United States
23 May 09
There are so many different things to try and it is up to the parent to figure out which they are comfortable with and which they feel works best for them. I am still a firm believer in spankings, but many frown on that anymore. There is nothing against a firm swat on the bottom to let a child know that you mean business when you tell them something. Others use a time out, whether in the corner, on a stair away from the tv and toys, in a bedroom---which isn't always good, since the toys are there, or next to an adult if they are doing something that they can sit next to them. My daughters and niece also take things away from them that they enjoy.....time watching tv, on the computer playing games, treats, going outside to play, certain favorite toys, etc. For temper throwing, sometimes it is best to just walk away and ignore it, even though that is sometimes very difficult to do. With him going to school soon, it is importand that he is disciplined now or his school years could be very difficult for him with the teachers.........trust me, I know, as a retired teacher who dealt with many discipline problems from special needs students!! Good luck bamakelly, and I am sure that you will figure it out since you are aware now that there might be some concern. That is a beginning in solving the problem!!
@barehugs (8973)
• Canada
22 May 09
I've raised 4 good boys! They were all as different as day and night, and we enjoyed every moment of it. My first suggestion would be, do not let your child change your life. The first one is difficult because you have to learn as you teach. " Coming down,"on your child is not always the right thing. Try to think of him as a small adult with all the rights and privileges that you enjoy. Always let him know when you are not pleased, and try to work it out, before "coming down," on him. Most kids will do the right thing, especially if there is something in it for them. A Tantrum is Easy. Just ignore it completely and it will soon go away. ( A tantrum is very hard work, after the first few minutes!)
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@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
23 May 09
i raised 2 boys by myself but that doesn't make me an expert for sure. i do know that u have to start early w/making them mind. it hurts u to do it but u have to. u can't let a child get the upper hand or you'll lose them as far as trying to make them mind as they get older. u need to start early w/doing that. i know u don't want him mad at u etc. but he will get over it.
@okkidokitokki (1736)
• United States
22 May 09
The best punishment I have found for small boys it to sit them on a cushion (I put my nephew on the couch) In a quiet room. The TX has to be off, no radio, no distractions. And he has to sit still for 3-5 minutes.
This works for me because I can be cleaning that room or have him in my line of sight for that amount of time. If he talks or wiggles to much I will add time. I also use the timer on the stove to keep track of the time because other wise I would either be to soft and let him up early or forget and make him sit for to long.
When the time is up I always go to him and get to his height (so that he knows I mean business) and I ask him if he knows what he did wrong (some times he does not and so I explain it to him again) and I ask him if he is going to do it again. (they always say no). Then I tell him that if he does do it again he will sit for longer.
The room must be quiet because it forces them to settle down.
I hope this helps, I know that it works wonders for me when I have my neices and nephews (ages 4-13). Kids are not used to being still and quiet, I think that is why it is so successful.
@mhethess (379)
• Philippines
23 May 09
Hi bamakelly, You are not alone almost everybody have to go with what your experiencing now especially the first time parents. Disciplining children is not actually spanking them or putting them in the corner or room. What you first need to do is to ask wisdom from the Lord, seek His word and always pray for you and your child. The biggest problem is if the parent lost their temper and was push to the limit and might do things that they will regret like beating their kids. You need to talk with your children settle an agreement and set rules and regulation. And agree on what punishment both of you want. Discipline start at the younger age and if a child learns that you are really serious or really mean what you say then they will behave. Don't be afraid to discipline a child now is the right time don't wait for too late. Thanks, can we be friend?
@happy6162 (3001)
• United States
22 May 09
Kid listen better to other authorities than they do to they parents. You just need to punish him by putting him in time-out when he does something he shouldn't. Do not back down no matter how angry he gets. If time-out does not seem to be working than take a privelege away from him. He maybe only 5 years old but he will learn what he can and can not do if you not back down.
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