A new religion for all

How so? I did not state what that higher power is. It can be a god, or it can be your own spiritual insight, or anything you wish to call it. Some call it only source. Some I know call it their inter being. What ever you call it only is to say that life as we know it is not all there is. You can even be your own higher power. I guess you equate the term higher power in the way the west calls God the higher power. But for me, the higher power takes no name or shape except for what we individually call it or see it. and it is therefore only relevant to ourselves. With out a higher power, we relegate ourselves to be only this lump of flesh. and this as I have stated is a religion, so those who do not believe in a higher power would not join anyway.

Hi lisan, An agnostic doesn't believe in a higher but rather thinks that it may be possible. Blessings.

Agnostic means without knowledge. Agnosticism their for is a belief that can neither verify nor disprove the existence of God. It is NOT a religion. But a way of thinking. It is the philosophical view that the truth value of certain claims — particularly metaphysical claims regarding theology, afterlife or the existence of deities, spiritual-beings, or even ultimate reality — is unknown or, depending on the form of agnosticism, inherently impossible to prove or disprove. It is often put forth as a middle ground between theism and atheism,[1] though it is not a religious declaration in itself, and the terms are not mutually exclusive, since agnosticism refers to knowledge, while atheism and theism refer to belie. I beleive you are therefor speaking of Gnosticism, which refers to diverse, syncretistic religious movements in antiquity consisting of various belief systems generally united in the teaching that humans are divine souls trapped in a material world created by an imperfect god, the demiurge; this being is frequently identified with the Abrahamic God, and is contrasted with a superior entity, referred to by several terms including Pleroma and Godhead. Depictions of the demiurge - the term originates with Plato's Timaeus - vary from being as an embodiment of evil, to being merely imperfect and as benevolent as its inadequacy permits. Thus, broadly speaking, Gnosticism was a dualistic religion, influenced by and influencing Hellenic philosophy, Judaism, and Christianity, however, by contrast, later strands of the movement, such as the Valentinians, held a monistic world-view. This, along with the varying treatments of the demiurge, may be seen as indicative of the variety of positions held within the category. So No Gnosticism would not qualify under what I stated my religion would be, even though it is broad in its beliefs, it is still dogmatic in its concepts and constraints.

No, you are incorrect. My statement assumes no such thing. My statement clearly states "Some I know". This means "some people" not "anyone". Obviously, most people are inherently decent enough to not beat, rape, and commit arson.

Your statement assumes that all that is stopping anyone from beating you to a pulp, raping your sister or burning down your house is the fear of devine retribution in an afterlife. There are many who do not believe in god who would not do that and many who believe in god who would do so in the name of god.

You do have a point. But i would believe one on a spiritual journey would find in his heart without having to be given a commandment that something was wrong. Leave the law to the civil authority, we do not need religious police. Thanks for your opinion, it was much appreciated.

Like I said, I won't replace dogma with my own dogma, if you and your fellow worshipers think it is appropriate to worship in the woods by a stream them go for it. And please give me an invite for the potluck diner

I didn't say only true religion. Because like I said, you would be free to interpret and believe any thing you like as long as you don't force it on others. So What I am saying here is only that wouldn't it be nice if everyone wasn't always shouting at others that they are worshiping the wrong God, or worshipping him on the wrong day, or by the wrong name. Why can't man let each other find god in their own way as long as they do no harm to others?

You don't have to worry about sin. Because like stated, The only sin is what you yourself impose on yourself as sin. If eating bread is a sin to you, and if you do eat some toast then you have sinned, which also means you can also absolve yourself from that sin, because only you have told yourself that it was sin. But you can not say to another that THEY have sinned because they ate the toast.

Are you calling for a religion that doesn't exclude anyone?

But did you notice that you are excluding everyone who has a Bible (or other books), believe in gods that have a specific titles or names to go by (such as Heaveny Father, Gaya, Jesus, Satan), and those who believe in physical manifestations of their spiritual beliefs. I couldn't help but get a kick out of the second requirement, considering you are pretty much breaking it with this discussion. ;~D

Pretty much

Yes but some people have no idea what spirituality is, they do how ever know what a religion is, Thanks for being a member.

Sorry, I have to disagree with Swami Vivekananda. The human species is only one species of animal. The only thing that sets us apart from other species is our ego. Are you sure that our species is higher than, say the Humpback Whale? We represent the current end point of our particular branch of the evolutionary tree of life. The Orchid represents the highest state of evolution for its branch and the Octopus is the top most branch for its line. What makes us any more special than any other highly evolved species. A million years from now if our species defies the odds and we have decedents they will be no more like we are now than we are like amoebas today. We are no where near as special as Swami Vivekananda seems to think we are.

I would have to agree with Chan

But I am still not going to tell you that you can not believe what you have stated. :)

No it probably wont, because I can not send out tens of thousands to kill for me and die for my god.

Humanity is not a religion, it is a cancer.

so what is your version of philosophy?

to nzalheart-very good approach.Use your power of thinking trained and educated by yourself.How many can do it?Not many by lack of education,processing power? We live in a time of many possibilities but in the past men had much less possibilities.You forgot the historic attribute of major religions.They offered prefabricated truth in a time when there was not too much on the market.Truth doesn't exist ,but the structures of truth yes. If you want to work with absolute truth only still you won't get very far.I use my own structure of truth that situate every action in a certain relation with 4 references.One of them is the Absolute truth.

to nzalheart-Nobody yet included science,philosophy,religion and occult in a well rounded philosophy.It will crumble by attacks from all parts. I did it.But unfortunately I can't finish it although I put the keystone. You are a speculative mind ,educated starting a very interesting quest for truth. The truth has a very intersting structure if you aproach it from the 4 elements -poles logic.Slowly it will suck you up in the dice throwing game of the occult. Truth has attributes:impersonal-personal at the same time,divine and alleatory. First I would suggest with starting playing dice,slowly you'll get illuminated by yourself in the truth path.Not any kind of dice game though.Nzalheart I don't know who you are but you have the premises to get farther than others in this search for truth.Maybe this is why I answered to you.Good luck.

Yes, I agree with you that dealing with only the absolute truth cannot take us far. We certainly need the guidance to seek the truth. The religion must be towards seeking the truth and other all are false. And while seeking the truth there is necessity that one exercise his mind, relating with the things around like why is it so? how is it so? what makes it so? What is the cause? One should learn to question these things in the rightful way or healthier way. This leads to the wisdom. The truth is always relative. Your truth cannot necessarily be my truth. You can never feel what I am actually seeing perceiving at this moment or neither I can feel yours. We are totally alone in this case. Dream is also real but the dream is only real for the dreamer. Dream is also real because there is also the feeling of solidity, physical sensations like in this conscious reality. The truth varies with the perceptions and at what angle we stand. But the great are those who have reached beyond these senses and reached the enlightenment or nirvana. There is another awakening from this physical dream. And I have to say this is still a relative truth to all because we people are not enlightened yet. But the path of religion must lead to this enlightenment instead of the dogmas that have no real basis. Where the people don't go on talking in terms of superstitions and declare that it is the absolute truth, you must and must follow. Thanks for your comment...

LOL yea sounds like my current path too for the most part...So yea, whats the catch?! LOL

onlinemoneymakerconr go thump your bible someplace else. We are enjoying ourselves here.

The catch is that if you believe in this new "religion" you get a one way ticket to hell!! LOL