This Is Outrageous: Going To Kill Geese Near Airports
By pyewacket
@pyewacket (43903)
United States
June 13, 2009 6:33pm CST
This has got to be, in my mind the stupidest plan going.
As many remember, we all heard of that heroic landing that was called the Miracle On The Hudson when Flight 1549 crashed into the Hudson River and was managed by Capt. Sully. The crash resulted due to bird strike, when a flock of Canada Geese flew into the plane's jet engines.
Now there are plans to "round" up at least 2,000 Canada Geese that make there "residence" usually near the major NY airports (Kennedy and LaGuardia) and KILL them.
You can see an article here (NOT a referral link but to an article about this issue)
http://www.nypost.com/seven/06112009/news/regionalnews/nyc_to_kill_geese_in_effort_to_protect_p_173768.htm
Here is the real irony about all this. Since I live in the NYC area I'm familiar with the land around both airports. Within a hop skip and jump away from Kennedy Airport for instance (in other words REAL close) is the Jamaica Bay Wildlife Refuge Sanctuary....designated land area for migrating and indigenous birds to habitat....this can mean anything from swans, geese, ducks, egrets, herons, hawks, falcons, etc. In fact years and years ago, I went to this refuge and had a field day "shooting" birds....uh, with my camera that is.
I also in years past, went to the Flushing Meadow Park marina area, where it too was designated as a "sanctuary" for birds...there, there were ducks of all kinds, swans, Canada Goose, Snow Goose, seagulls etc. It too is a mere hop, skip and jump away from NYC's other major LaGuardia airport.
Both these wildlife bird sanctuaries are just that...sanctuaries...a place for birds to settle and habitat and feel safe. [b]Hunting any of these birds is against the law
[/b]---and now the geniuses of our city government and our Major are making the call to kill over 2,000 Canada Gesse...like duh?
Yes, I can see the need to prevent any future plane crashes due to bird strike, but a plane's engines can even be affected by bird strike with smaller birds, like crows or even starlings. But then the planners of these bird sanctuaries should have had the foresight NOT to designate those land areas as wildlife bird sanctuaries so near airports....like what kind of stupidity is this?
So it's like the city government is saying, "Oh gee, we know those are bird sanctuaries where birds of many species can have a safe place to settle between migrations, but gee, sorry we now are going to have to kill the birds."In my mind, maybe some genius should come up with a better jet engine design that would prevent bird strike after all, with flying in planes, WE ARE IN THE BIRDS TURF---they are doing what comes naturally to they...flying
Anyone else outraged by this?? I sure the hell am, and maybe due to I have a "thing" for Canada Geese and birds in general.
Here's a photo of mine of a Canada Goose I took years ago at the Flushing Meadows Park Marina....a bird sanctuary area right smack near LaGuardia airport
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26 responses
@moondancer (7433)
• United States
14 Jun 09
Yes, I agree and from what I saw on tv they plan not only to round up the ones at or near the airports but in lakes and ponds too.
These are beautiful magestic birds, they have every right to be here. One of our creatures that was here before all of the airplanes and just because it exsist and happens to be near airports they are going to kill thousands of them. Yes, I said thousands of them.
The geniuses that make the engines for the jets and planes should come up with a screen in front of the engines that would only allow air to go through the engines. As air is needed to make them work.
Find some way to defend the birds from the planes and likewise the planes engines from the birds. Their first thought and order of the day is to kill the birds. Come on you guys must be smarter than this.
I was outraged when I heard this and and I sent a letter to our senator. Obviously it did not do any good. But if the letters came in masses maybe it would.
Where are the people fighting for the rights of these birds? Don't they have any rights?
Apparently not! They are going to be slaughter in the name of invention, jet engines...
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
14 Jun 09
I always thought a "simple" solution to the problems of jet engines would be to place some kind of screen as well--the jet engine is basically the same design as it has been for about fifty years...they certainly could come up with something better.
So they are doing the same thing in your state too? I'm surprised major animal rights organizations haven't spoke their outrage about this...mmm...maybe some time needed for letter writing?
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@moondancer (7433)
• United States
14 Jun 09
That would be great if you would write letters. I am going to send one to the animal rights group, the president, the congressman here and another on to the senator. If many more people would join in our fight for these birds and offer a solution if they think of one that would be great.
I think for now they could put a screen on the engines that have tiny holes that would not allow the birds or any parts to be sucked into the engine but still allows air to flow through.
That's the only thing I can think of now. Until they build a better engine that is bird friendly. There are many people out there and there should be many ideas.
I know you will write letters. Thank you for joining in the fight.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
14 Jun 09
I just read a sad update though...seems they've already gone ahead and as the article put it have already "removed" 1250 geese..crap--trying to find the article again
I'll still write however....
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@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
14 Jun 09
They made the sanctuaries where they are for thats where the bird came to on thier jurney.
I used to go to Rockland park filled with geese most of the time and loved to watch tehm and it was right behind where we lived at the time which was Congers NY.
THey should have put the aorports some where else! didnt plan well did they?
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
15 Jun 09
Actually it was the other way around...Kennedy airport was built in 1939...the bird sanctuary was established only 25 years ago...like duh? Stupid planning all the way around
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@byfaithonly (10698)
• United States
14 Jun 09
Makes me sick - bad enough we are taking over all the land that once belonged to the animals but now we're taking over the sky too. These birds are doing what comes natural to them and what is going to stop them from coming back next year. Oh we could spend millions of dollars and build a net to block them but they are still going to go to their 'home area' and opps net would get in the way of the planes... It's not natural for us to be up in the air to begin with, well at least not me, I wasn't born with wings. Stupid, sick, and idiotic the whole idea of it. Let's just kill all the animals on earth and then start killing the people that get in our way - oh opps again, already doing that...
@byfaithonly (10698)
• United States
14 Jun 09
It just keeps going - eventually we won't have any animals left on earth because the human race just keeps taking and taking.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
14 Jun 09
That's a good major point...yes, next year more birds (the survivors) will be back, so I guess that means more will be killed then as well
As I mentioned in my reply to poster number one here...I'm in the midst of doing an article how orangutans are being threatened with extinction...they are only found in Malaysia and Indonesia where more and more palm oil plantations are being built up for the palm oil industry...this means taking away the land from the orangutans and other endangered apecies
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@Kashmeresmycat (6369)
• United States
14 Jun 09
Hey there girlfriend!!
Thought I'd pop in to see what's happening here on myLot and here you are!
This is such a sad subject all the way around. We ALWAYS take away the animals territory without any hesitation. It's pathetic and very hard to deal with.
We just encroach constantly on what little area they have left, and they don't know where to go or what to do anymore. Then we get mad when they encroach on our territory, and it's boom, kill them. Same with the deer, we have too many in the backyards, shoot them, and they do.
I remember one apartment complex I lived in, had a big beautiful lake and during the Spring the maintenance men would go around and shake the eggs to destroy them. It was sickening. Man will always be barbaric no matter what day and age it is.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
14 Jun 09
I just read another article that 1250 Canada Geese have already been "removed"--gee, how nice
Yes, man certainly is barbaric...no wonder I prefer animals over people
(Glad to see ya too..been awhile)
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@Opal26 (17679)
• United States
14 Jun 09
Hey pye! I agree with you 100%! I feel that this is a completely
moronic plan and is wrong and cruel! As you have stated these
are birds and we are actually infringing on THEIR territory-
NOT the other way around! They were meant to fly FIRST! It
is what THEY do naturally! Whenever I am up in an airplane
and am looking out the window (also praying!) I think to myself
how unnatural this is, at least it is to me! Birds were meant
to fly! Were people? Not so sure? I also happen to be partial
to the Geese and feel that this plan is so unfair! There is
no need to kill them! Round them up and take them to a safe haven!
Let them live in peace! Fix whatever the phuck is wrong with the
planes first! Make a grill that will keep ALL birds out so that
all planes are safe and all birds are safe! Sure seems alot smarter
then killing the birds! You can't kill every bird in the world!
Start working on making the planes safer! What is wrong with these
azzholes? Make a proper grill for the engine! Why haven't the figured
this out yet?
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
15 Jun 09
Unfortunately rounding them up to take them elsewhere wouldn't solve the problem...I studied bird biology and photography via the Cornell Laboratory of Ornithology years ago. Birds have like a built in homing device which is why migratory birds come back to the same nesting areas year after year. No doubt if one were to round them up and take them somewhere else, they just would go back to the same place again where they originated from
Yes with all the tech know how we have you really would think they would redesign the jet engine to make it safer
@blue65packer (11826)
• United States
14 Jun 09
It definately sounds like a reeal stupid and idiotic thing to do!! That is the goverment for you! What a bunch of morons! Like you said, Geese aren't the only birds that can couse damage to a airplanes engine! Maybe the people who run the airports should reconsider before doing this really stupid thing of killing geese! I hope the Humane Society or PETA or someone other animal cruelty oraganiztion steps in and this bird killing doesn't happen! I agree that the airlines could and should look into building different plane engines that birds are less likely to be stucked into! It makes better sense then kiilling all those innocent birds!
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
14 Jun 09
I'm surprised animal rights organizations haven't stepped up to protest this as well. seems like the "hunt" is already on sadly...I read in another updated article just now that 1250 Canada Geese were....removed--crap that's a LOT of birds already--this is outright slaughter in my eyes.
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@blue65packer (11826)
• United States
15 Jun 09
Sounds like slaght to me,too! Idiots!
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@lilaclady (28207)
• Australia
14 Jun 09
Humans think they have sole rights to this earth, I think that is disgusting, humans kill anything for any reason, then if a human get attacked by some animal then its full force to hunt down that attacker and kill it...I think its about time we all realized we humans have stuffed up this world and we do not and should not hog the whole earth... we should have learnt by now to give back to the earth and most of all to share...
@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
14 Jun 09
Mankind certainly does want to hog the whole earth...I'm working on an article about the palm oil industry that has built up in Malaysia and Indonesia by establishing palm oil plantations, and at the risk of destroying the natural habitat of the orangutans which on reside and habitat only those countries and now are at risk of extinction
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@Debs_place (10520)
• United States
14 Jun 09
I remember reading about a problem with Canadian geese and I think the airport used grape pellets or something similar in the areas where the geese hang out. The geese did not like the smell/taste and left the area.
That to me would seem like an easy fix without killing the birds.
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@Debs_place (10520)
• United States
15 Jun 09
I think that is a better alternative than killing them. And if I remember correctly this place was targeting geese too,
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
15 Jun 09
Unfortunately using a method like that could also affect the other some 300 species of birds that habitat that sanctuary
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@carpenter5 (6782)
• United States
14 Jun 09
We have geese on the lake behind our house. I love to watch them fly in and land on the water. It is so amazing to watch. I am not sure if they are Canadian geese or what kind of geese they are, but they are pretty and sure do love it when the kids come out in the afternoon with leftover biscuits, cornbread from dinner!
Some nights there are 30-40 geese and about that many little ones throwing them bread pieces.
I am sure that there will be a wildlife group of some sort that will jump in and hopefully save these birds.
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@carpenter5 (6782)
• United States
14 Jun 09
I'm not sure how this ended up getting saved twice.
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@carpenter5 (6782)
• United States
14 Jun 09
We have geese on the lake behind our house. I love to watch them fly in and land on the water. It is so amazing to watch. I am not sure if they are Canadian geese or what kind of geese they are, but they are pretty and sure do love it when the kids come out in the afternoon with leftover biscuits, cornbread from dinner!
Some nights there are 30-40 geese and about that many little ones throwing them bread pieces.
I am sure that there will be a wildlife group of some sort that will jump in and hopefully save these birds.
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@carpenter5 (6782)
• United States
14 Jun 09
I guess I should have mentioned that these geese live on a golf course in the midst of a condo community. They are protected here from hunters at least. I spoke to another community member who said when she first moved here, the geese weren't here. That was 10 years ago. The next fall about 6 of them showed up on one of the water hazards on the course, and stayed. They figured it would be for the winter, and then we'd lose them. But come spring, two of them hatched their babies, and now there are probably 100 that live on the course and around the condos.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
14 Jun 09
Aren't they beautiful birds to watch? There is also a park area some distance away I used to go to, Kissena Park that has a pond and like clockwork around the end of September the Canada Geese would make their home there for awhile before moving on to warmer climates
I'm hoping an animal activist group tries to stop this slaughter as well
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@mariposaman (2959)
• Canada
14 Jun 09
Wild birds and animals should not be fed. You are just turning them into pets and upsetting the natural order so they are not wild animals anymore.
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@applefreak (3130)
• Singapore
19 Jun 09
yes i read this piece of news and i was really angry. it's just like the way my country treats all animals. if it gets in the way, just kill them en masse. it doesn't matter if it's pigeons, stray cats or dogs. the authorities even pay people $5 a bird for crows shot!
what riles me more is another piece of news i read about a few days later. another country facing the same problem came up with a novel way to resolve the issue. they are going to broadcast the calls of birds in distress. they have the distress calls of different species of birds and will play the appropriate one depending on which bird is in the vicinity. that's what i call working with brains.
@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
2 Jul 09
Yes applefreak, there are a lot of alternative means of ridding a over-population of any bird (or animal) without resorting to killing them. The sad update now is that already about 1,500 have been collected and killed and the killing continues
@celticeagle (167015)
• Boise, Idaho
15 Jun 09
I agree on the upfront sadness of it all. But god forgive them if they get some Canadian Geese in there proprellers. Ugh! Costs them money. But what does cost the geese again? Oh, their lives, their eggs, their populations. And who cares about them feeling safe. It is always been a sore spot for me when the reality comes crashing down that these people just don't care about the demise of countless animals/birds/living beings. Whose eyes do I scratch out??!!
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
15 Jun 09
Well for starters since he seems to sanction the killing of the geese, why don't we both join up and scratch Mayor Bloomberg's eyes out...he's a real azzhole anyway
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
15 Jun 09
And don't forget...the Port Authority and even the American Veterinary Association agrees to killing the geese
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@celticeagle (167015)
• Boise, Idaho
15 Jun 09
Okay. I am putting on my Green Tea Growth Treatment as I am typing this. The azzhole! I am sure we will find several others as we move close to the top rungs.
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@tosha33 (265)
• United States
15 Jun 09
what happened the day when the people of the united stats had the say of what happens, today it seems like the government seems to making the decisions for the people, we elect people from our state and pray that they will help us in a time of need, like killing 2000 bids for nothing. This country was supposed to be for the people by the people, but when it comes to us speaking up for something that we believe in we usually get locked up.
All I can say is this world has gone mad.
A lot of good points were made concerning this posting, and we do need to stop taking the land from the rightful owners of it, The animals, it is pretty sad that many people don't realize it but we are living in their back yard. how many more animals are we going to have to kill for progress?
@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
17 Jun 09
Our government seems to do a lot of things behind our backs without letting it's citizens know about it until after the fact so maybe we CAN'T protest.
@Java09 (3075)
• United States
1 Jan 10
Well,they should think,humans are the ones invading the geese air space.God made geese migrate and they were using the air space first,til humans invaded their territory.I feel sorry for the geese,and yes,I'm against them being killed for it.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
2 Jan 10
Yes it's we humans who have invaded the geese's air space. Sad to say they went ahead with their plans and killed off over 2,000 geese
@heathcliff (1415)
• United States
14 Jun 09
Airports also spend millions killing groundhogs and other burrowing creatures that endanger the integrity of the airfields. Deer hunting is legal in many states solely for the reason that failure to kill off enough each year would endanger drivers. This is therefore nothing new, but it is ridiculously reactionary. If that one plane does not go down, the birds would be safe.
I like the above idea of improving the jet in-takes instead. I would hate to see all of the planet's birds destroyed just because they MIGHT one day cause another plane crash.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
15 Jun 09
With all our wonderful technology we have today one would think they would redesign a jet engine to make them "bird strike" proof
@LadyMarissa (12148)
• United States
14 Jun 09
Pye, to make this discussion even sadder, it was announced on the Today show on Thursday or Friday (very quietly of course) that Flight 1549 had the same faulty part as the Air France plane that recently crashed which was attributed to the faulty part. The comment was one of those made in passing as if in hopes nobody would notice. It was only said the one time & I can find NO other reference to it. Now I'm wondering if this isn't just a coverup by US Air & NO birds were actually to blame. I see things like this happening a lot on our news. Something negative will be reported & then the next time the negative has been removed from the report. I have read articles on my local news web page leave & when I go back, it has been completely changed omitting the negative reference. Maybe US Air is being protected from lawsuits??? I find it sad that we invade the birds' space & then we kill them for being there.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
15 Jun 09
Yes it does seem to be a cover up due to a potential engine part failure...did find this long article
http://www.airline-crash-analysis.com/2009/02/us-airways-1549-did-not-crash-solely.html
@dreamweaverjan (3471)
• United States
14 Jun 09
HI Pye: I had heard about this too; It just sickens me!! You're a great person to be so involved Bless you for all the many many things you do for the animals here;
I agree after all these many many years, why oh why can't they figure out a way to make sure those big a$$ engines can't suck in a flying bird, put some sort of wire cage on there or something sh!t!
They already p!ss away so much money why not put that to good use and fix this problem they certainly can't kill all the birds of various breeds in that area;
stupid stupid stupid of them!! AND VERY VERY CRUEL!!
I love to watch the geese around here, its so amazing to see them in a group whether a big group or like 20++ when they land on our lake out at the farm, its so cool!
I've always wished to have a camcorder of some sort in order to be able to film them.
there is another very very large lake here where THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS OF them come here too each fall/winter, now that's an awesome sight to see there!
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
15 Jun 09
I've always had a thing for geese myself and that's why I was so outraged about this "wonderful" plan of theirs to kill so many. I'm surprised animal rights groups aren't protesting about this
@mariposaman (2959)
• Canada
14 Jun 09
These birds are successfully breeding out of control. You cannot remove them to somewhere else because nobody wants them anymore. What happens is that they like grass and the best grass are on lawns and playing fields. Unfortunately the birds have a digestive system that processes a lot of grass and produces a lot of poop. We have a problem here in my city, the local soccer pitches and baseball diamonds are located beside a lake, and the geese come ashore and eat and defecate on the fields, making them unusable and the smell and slipping in the poop is unbearable for the players. They hired a dog handler that scares the geese away, but they just come back when the dog goes away.
It is already too late to complain about human encroachment into wild areas. Humans are everywhere and are becoming more numerous exponentially. The earth's population is doubling every 40 years. Think about that, so where are you going to put all these people?
I do however think that engineering could come up wit a solution, it has never made sense to me to have an engine that is sensitive to bird strikes and not design any protection for it.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
15 Jun 09
The thing is, our city government and the Parks Dept established the Jamaica Bay Wildlife Sanctuary only 25 years ago, while Kennedy airport was constructed in 1939---this was poor planning all way round...the whole purpose of the sanctuary was to give refuge to all bird species (over 300 there) that make there home there--they should have realized and taken in account bird migratory flight patterns (which have been established for a long time) vs. the flight patterns of the planes
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@cannibal (650)
• India
14 Jun 09
Hiya
Well, it's heartening to see someone so concerned about birds. Keep it up! This is all when I'd thought that caring about birds, animals and wildlife was a passe!
Obviously, my reaction is that my eye-brows have got into my hair! But then it again boils down to a widely known fact: Man is selfish of 'em all. We're so used to comfort and luxury now that we don't care a tinker's damn about nature. And the story is more or less the same the world over. I recall, a few years ago there was a water crisis in a sanctuary in a state called Rajasthan in my nation. The Government decided to let the public use the little water available. I understand it was inevitable, but the birds and animals were deprived of this basic right of theirs. Reportedly the migratory birds gave a miss to the place that year. How worse can it get? Deprivation of water?
I hate to sound a pessimist but when it comes to someone's, or rather so many lives at stake, my hatred is not what is important. The situation is getting grim and worse.
Let's just hope the genius you're talking of gets to action. And you've put up a hard-hitting but true-to-the-core fact, we're indeed invading their turfs! Sad!
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
15 Jun 09
I've been an animal/bird lover all my life and am very much involved/concerned about how animals are treated in general...not very well in most cases--mankind takes more and more natural habitats away from wild animals and the irony is that the animals are killed if they try to get back to their natural habitats that probably have been established by the animals for centuries....just doesn't make sense in mankind's thinking to take over everything
@aa5215 (9)
• China
15 Jun 09
We have to make some choices.and it`s very danger that the birds live near by the airport,both to the birds and planes.People know that but The birds don`t.The airplanes can keep some kinds of eagles that scare the birds away from the airport. Maybe it`s useful.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
15 Jun 09
Then our city govt shouldn't have established a bird sanctuary so close to airports right? Very bad planning