Oh youre Robbies mother or oh youre Garlands wife? but who am I?

@Hatley (163776)
Garden Grove, California
August 27, 2009 11:47pm CST
we are all proud I am sure to be known as a mom or a wife,'but do we have to be always just referred to as Johnie's mom or George's wife?My' own husbAnd said,tell them you are Patsie Hatley,you are yourself.you were you before you married and had children.My question I guess is do we have to lose our identity just because we are married and have children.Cannot we still keep our meness? that is if such a word exists.
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@roniroxas (10560)
• Philippines
28 Aug 09
some people has hard time remembering name so they sometimes remember the face and remember your imidiate family then lost your name in between those, so they just refer us as the wife of or the mom of. i also meet people who just remembers my face and some remembers me as the sister of jayjay. but its okay i think i am also a person who dont remember names so much.
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
28 Aug 09
hi roniroxas you just made me realize why some people'probably called me Robbies mom, they had forgot my own first name but'knew robbie and my husband. that gives a better slant on things.'Oh I am just horrible with remembering names. I will remember faces'and even connect the face with where I met the person but I have to go'hoh hello Mrs. uh Uh and sometimes they will say oh I m Joan remeber me from writing class and again sometimes they wont. embarrassment for sure.
@roniroxas (10560)
• Philippines
29 Aug 09
see hatley, so its better to talk to Robbie's mom or Jack's wife or Jayjay's sister than to be recalling names that i am sure we will be feeling dumb trying to recall one. i am a singer and meets more thaan 10 people almost every after work and my goodness i can not recall all of them. the best way is to give smiles and just carry on talking. i am not really good on names. and thank you for telling me that you realize a good point in my response, that made my day. hugs for you hatley
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
2 Sep 09
hi roniroxas yes the best you can do when you just cant remember'the name is to change the subject and go on talking as usually the' other person willbegin thinking about the new subject.I wish'I was not so bad about remembering names.
@webearn99 (1742)
• India
28 Aug 09
It's as though people want to judge who we are on the basis of who we belong to. The "unique me" is lost in "what I am". Well, perhaps people are not sure which foot to start the acquaintance on. So they refer to your association to begin with. I am sure that is for the starters only. Once the ice is broken and they get to know you, they will take you, Patsie Hatley, to be what you are. Not a matter to agonize with.
@neildc (17239)
• Lapu-Lapu City, Philippines
28 Aug 09
i agree to that, webearn. it happens to me a lot of times, as in, "hi, meet my wife" so at first instance, people will see her, as in "hi, neil's wife" or "hi, mrs. armstrong." today you are not Hatley anymore, you're Patsie to us, Patsie.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
28 Aug 09
hi my fellow mylotters yes perhaps its just a matter of semantics and once someone knows me they usually do call me by name.I am glad'that mylotters would refer tome as Patsie hatley or Hatly,either one.'Its odd that a times it should have mattered that much seeing that I had a very good marriage andwas proud of my son who was going to junior college at the same time I was.
• Malaysia
28 Aug 09
hatley very tru what you said ... my mother was always reffered to as "Sanjana's mother" prior to me she was my "sisters mother" ha ha ha ... she was always someones mother never herself .. Me now i am someones MRS ... But thank god i am working so people in my office and my clients still call me by my name cheers
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
28 Aug 09
hi sanjana aslam Thats so true I was always myself when I'worked at the library save this one wonderful sweet gruff woman who called us'all by our last names.To her I was always hatley. it used to'really amuse me too as she bellowed hatley come here, how come you arent'home in bed,no dont tell me your okay,here take these,I have plenty more at home,oh you should be in bed.then she would give me a package of cough drops that had vitamin C in them. she mothered all of us,she had twelve children so she came by it naturally.
@paula27661 (15811)
• Australia
28 Aug 09
You are so right Hatley! I don’t know where our ‘meness’ goes once we marry and have children, although I wonder if it just a female thing; before you are married you are Jack’s daughter then you become Mark’s wife and Sally’s mother etc. Is it more of a female identity crisis, I’m sure males don’t lose who they are the minute they are born!
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
28 Aug 09
hi paula wow no I dont think I have ever heard a guy being called Joans busband or Bobbys father. for one'thing I dont think any red blooded man would stand still for being'designated as someones husband or someones daddy, they would turn on th'person and tell them to call them by their names. he he eh
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• China
28 Aug 09
This society have so much relationship. we are a charactor of this society. we are alwasy be called somebodays''''' . yeah we should leave for ourself . but maybe it just their calling way . we are always ourselves
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
28 Aug 09
ni enjoyworld glad to see you here again.yes we are always'bing called someones whatever. Maybe i should really treasure those'day now that I have been widowed for years. I am hardly ever called robbies mom anymore but lately people here have told me my your 'son looks just like you. and that was sort of nice too.
@hvedra (1619)
28 Aug 09
I do find that kind of weird and sad. Also sad are the women who use that description themselves "tarquin's mom" or "mom of seven" and so on. I feel like saying "Great, your uterus works! How is your brain?". Of course, you also get the ones "catmomma" and so on, so it seems to be a women thing in general, not just those married with kids.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
28 Aug 09
hi hvedra yes its kind of sad specially if women lose themselves in being a possession of someone. what you just said was what used to bother me in junior college as I wanted to yell no'I am Mrs patsie Hatley, dont you see that I make excellent grades too,yes'robbies my son but look call me by myright name.
@mansha (6298)
• India
28 Aug 09
That question bothers me still, its always women who compromise their careers for marriage or kids,never men. they just get away with the ine can not handle or emotionally or mentally not apt for the same. Its actualy the traditional mindset may be it will change but change has to come in us first then only we can change the mindset of others. May be our duaghters or theior daughters will live to see the day when they hav their own identity
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@mansha (6298)
• India
3 Sep 09
You think...I use my own sur name and not my husband's forall official purposes. I never changed mine and dare anyone ask me to. I have always used my own name and will continue to do so.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
21 Nov 09
hi mansha good for you, I think a lot of women especiallywomen with careers will keeptheir names so that their customers or patrons will know who they are dealing with.
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
2 Sep 09
hi mansha hatley here yes we have for a long time felt like second class citizens and its time we made some'changes. ' some of my friends when they married now,took their last name and added their husbands last name so thats a step in the right'direction I really think we should be allowed to keep our own last name.
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@sid556 (30960)
• United States
28 Aug 09
I know....we are always somebodys "something. I grew up in the shadow of my very popular brother. I was always known as Dan's sister. I still get it a lot and I'm 53. My husband's name was Kim and we've been divorce now for 18 years and people still will call me Kim. I've gotten used to it. Well somewhat. I do know what you mean. My daughter's friends do call me "mama sid" and I have to say that I am ok with that. Sometimes even my daughter calls me that. It's ok. They are referring to me only. I kind of like it.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
28 Aug 09
hi sid yes we are always being referred to like that and I didnt'really dislike it of course. I loved my husband very much;'and was proud of my son.It was just at the junior college where I wass getting my first years of college that I sometimes felt like I had lost part of myself.Yet I always told myself you are lucky you have a husband and a child you love.Yet a small part of me always wanted somebody to say well hi Patsie, or hi Patsie Hatley.
@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
28 Aug 09
Well now I'm funny about my identity. I never changed my last name when I got married because I didn't want to learn to call myself something else. But I don't mind being called so and so's mom. If somebody says that, I'll just say "yes I'm Dawn" or some such thing...
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
2 Sep 09
hi dawnald thats what I did to this teacher who called me Robbies mom, I held out my hand and said I am Patsie Hatley,that is how I am enrolled in your poetry class. He called me Patsie after that.
@fwidman (11514)
• United States
28 Aug 09
In my thirties, visiting my mother who was recuperating from major surgery, she introduced me to several nurses in her room as "my baby". I guess we don't have any identities at times
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
2 Sep 09
fwidman oh my my mom did that sevral times to me,once when I had just given birth to her first grandchild. now I was not a baby but she said I would be her babyas long as 'she lived. she adored her grandson and spoiled him silly.
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@fwidman (11514)
• United States
2 Sep 09
That's how it goes, alright. I stayed her "baby" right up until my mom passed away. Moms are soooo silly
@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
28 Aug 09
Hi Hatley, I certainly have my own identity but when I first moved to this small local area I was quickly identified as the mama to ... my son, as everyone certainly knew who he was straight away. Then I was acknowledged as myself as well and everyone called me by my name instead of as the mama of ... However I had a long term relationship with a local man which caused continual interest among the local community who make gossip an art form. I was shocked but not totally suprised when over a year after we were no longer an item I ran into a local I don't actually know except by sight and we were speaking of something when he suddenly changed demeanour, pointed at me in an accusing way and ventured the words 'I know you - you are the woman of ......' It was a bit unnerving to realise that people think of me in that way and probably some of them always will because in their minds they'd already married us off and are just waiting for us to be together again. St
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@Archie0 (5652)
28 Aug 09
you have spoken what i always think of within me, we really have to be as a shadow under someone greater before us, he is not great but we make him that though.I hate being someone's something, i want someone to be something for me, why it is we always and everytime seen as a second hand person recognised by a man before us, and why it is most of the time just a man is given more privelieage for many things not only for work but also in law.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
2 Sep 09
Hi ArchieO yes we woman have gotten put down so much, but I think things are a little better now but the men still get more priveledges than women and get 'paid better than we do.
@kitty42 (3923)
• United States
29 Aug 09
Hello my friend I am not married but I am a Mom/grandmother and I don't seem to have that problem, younger adults refer to me by my last name which is a sign of respect but other than that I don't feel this way, although I know what you mean
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
1 Sep 09
hi kitty42 you just reminded me of a dear friend who was gruff and outspoken but always called me Hatley.She complained to me of a back ache and I finally persuaded her to go to'her doctor after a dozen tests they found a large cancer in her lungs, two months later she was gone. but I would be working in the library where we two used to work, and would almost hear her call, hey hatley how come you come into work today girl,get on home and take care of ']that cold you sound awful.then she would have given me a handful of cough drops loaded with vitamin c.she mothered every one and she came by that naturally as she had raised twelve kids.I missed her calling 'me hatley.what a woman she was.
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
2 Sep 09
hi kitty42 you know that always irritated me as nobody but my mom was my mother yet I have had complete strangers call me mom or mama, and I thought well maybe because this person is' from a different culture they mean no insult.but it doesnt'feel right to me, and this one chinese lady always called me'grandma'now I only have one living child my son and hes not married and i guess' doesnt want to marry I am not a grandma.
@kitty42 (3923)
• United States
2 Sep 09
Hello my friend Sorry for your lost you two must have been really close I know someone that mothers everyone as well, she is really sweet always nice to have people like this in our life, glad I reminded you of your friend, what about the people that call you mom when you never gave birth to them, I don't like this I know some people do this because this is how the address woman I don't like it at all, Mom/Dad are two words that belong to two special people and should not be shared with people outside of the two people that gave you life, thats a pet peeve of mine lol
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• United States
29 Aug 09
When my ex broke up with me after many many years for being together I said to him at one point "Well I'm confused I've been known as xyz's girlfriend for so many years". He responded "Oh I didn't know you identify yourself through me". I thought, no I don't but my words were saying something different. We do identify ourselves through what we do and often we are even asked to identify ourselves though out profession with the question what do you do. In reference to your post, it's just how the people identify you, maybe it's even more to them a little help to remember who you are by association.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
1 Sep 09
hi ellaprice yes thats true so many people knew me throuogh my job but didnt really know my name as i'was just the' woman who shelved books in the local library so some people'would refer to me as the library lady. I got so I got a big'' kick out of that.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
20 Nov 09
hi ellie yes I know what you mean as it all seems to change, and Jims dad now becomes a stilted Mr. Jones and it still does not seem quite right to a person. I sometimes resorted to first names if I had known them when I became an adult rather than Mr. some of my friends dads. and some of them would say, you know my first name so use it.
• United States
2 Sep 09
What became difficult for me, growing up as a child I had certain names for the parents of my friends something like Robert's Dad. As a child I just called the person that way I even addressed the person that way. When I returned home for visits later while I was in college I never knew how to addressed the person. It was just weird. Calling the people who played a big part in my childhood, Mr. or Ms. didn't feel right but calling a person much much older then me by their first name didn't feel right either.
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@CatsandDogs (13963)
• United States
12 Sep 09
I honestly don't think it's meant as an insult at all but that you're married to so and so and so and so is your child. I don't think it takes away from your identity but adds to it. Does that make any sense?
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@nanajanet (4436)
• United States
28 Aug 09
I do not care what I am called, as long as they call me! LOL My husband, at my job (I owned a dance school) used to call my husband, Mr. Janet as I was called Miss Janet. He loved it! In fact, when he called the school he would say to my receptionist, "Hi, this is Mr. Janet." They loved him!
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
28 Aug 09
hi nanajanet what fun to own something together like that'and a dance studio.sounds like you enjoyed it too.Like I said earlier to another mylotter part of doing discussions is learning from others and I have'learned that I am stillme no matter what I am called and now'that my husband is gone i sorta miss the times when i was called garland's wife.
@catdla1 (6005)
• United States
28 Aug 09
I think all of us are partially known by association. It starts from birth when we enter the world know as the son or daughter of our parents. (The parents also gain another association of being Susan's parents) As our world expands, many of us gain additional associations as being the sister/brother of, etc. This is our lineage, and it is valid that we are known by it. 200 years from now, your descendants may not get to know you personally unless you've left behind diaries, recordings or pictures. But they will be able to know you as being part of the family leading up to their own existance. Our lineage though, is only a small part of the 'Who am I?' equation, at least to ourselves and the people who know us. It's also our beliefs, our actions, our preferences,our goals and visions. (You might also be known as the lady who believes in angels, won't step on spiders, likes extra cheese on her pizza and wants to ride the roller coaster at Disneyland.) Each little piece of information about ourselves defines who we are, our name really only a small part of the total. In short, being Johnnie's mom or George's wife isn't really who we are, but it is an aspect of who we are. It's up to us if we want others to know the 'rest of who we are'.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
28 Aug 09
hi catdla you are right and youopened up aspects i had not' really thought about. and its odd I didnt as i am totally into genealogy and have records of my grandparents, great greats and on down to'four or five greats. and I often say my great grandfather was irish and so was his wife. yes we all do belong to our parents then our husbands and sometimes our children define us but ultimately time passes and we have made our own identification. I was known to my library coworkers as Patsie,the woman who reads and writes stories, and has been here longer than most of us. oh and so many patrons saw me paging books and would meet me on the street and say oh youre the library lady.so there I had another piece of my identity and you know i sort of liked that.
@cwong77 (2010)
• Malaysia
28 Aug 09
I am also a mummy but not someone's wife.. recently, I got myself into it that I first heard of this name when my niece came to my house and she pointing at all our photo naming our child's name and with a mummy at the back. Actually I don't mind losing my identity to the young ones.. anyway, my friends will not be identifying me that way. And I think the next group of friends that will be identifying me that way, will be those mummies that I come across if my child is being send to nursery. I think we get those identification, when the child go home and telling their parents about our child or even us, therefore it's be easier to identify us with the child's name...
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
28 Aug 09
hi cwong yes I came to be identified with my son as He and my'hysband and i were all taking junior college classes. my son won over the heart of this one english teacher who always praised his writing ability to me, then he would say as his mom your son comes by his witing abiity from your own ability. you always get an a in my'classes which was true. I think he couldnt remember my first'name so he used robbies mom. and now I dont think it bothers me after all these years.
@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
28 Aug 09
I lost myself somewhere in becoming a wife and mother. For a very long time after my daughter was born I was simply referred to as Kathryn's Mommy, I haven't so much heard the Tom's wife as much. But as far as Kathryn's Mommy it is a constant thing. Last year when Kathryn started school, I was just sure that I was going to be Kathryn's mommy for all of the teachers and faculty that my daughter encountered. This year, however, when we were getting prepared for the new school year, it made me immensely happy that the principal actually knew my first name without having to look it up. I think the reason that I've started to find myself again is the fact that I am making strides to do things that are as much for myself as they are for my children. Meaning, I am secretary of the school PTA because I want to help the school to be better for my two kids, but I also want to have that opportunity to spend time with adults.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
28 Aug 09
hi dorannmwin the great thing about discussions is what you'learn from reacting with other mylotters. I am now free just to be myself and here i am called bymy first name also the ladywho reads all the time, and the lady who is writing something. I started writing'my memoirs or journal not sure just which really but its fun and helps me stay sane and focussed too.Butyou are right we start to get backour own identity when we have a job that we like and we met others in our work force.it is sortof freeing too.