Doctor or footballer - who should earn more, and other examples please?
By katerina
@thea09 (18305)
Greece
13 responses
@wolfie34 (26771)
• United Kingdom
31 Aug 09
WTG great discussion ;0) Well excuse me for getting up on my soap box, hang on where's that box of Daz? Right, well it really irks me that doctors and nurses are working their damnest saving lifes in often precarious situations whether out on the field in war torn countries or operating life-threatening surgery and in comparison are getting a pittance compared to a footballer kicking a piece of leather around the field for 90 minutes. What does that tell you? Crazy? Cuckoo? Absurd? Totally and utterly. Seems like saving a life is not as important as scoring a goal, but hey it's only a life, what's a life compared to winning the match!
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@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
31 Aug 09
Hi Wolfie, firstly thank you for inspiring this topic, credit where credit is due I believe.
For other respondees I think it worth clarifying that Wolfie is a UK resident where doctors don't earn much in the scheme of things, as opposed to some countries where they may receive much larger amounts, which highlight the absurdity of the wage disparity.
I agree that it's all the wrong way round and footballers are celebritised and expect earnings our of all proportion to what they actually do, whearas it could also be argued that their dominance in the sports arena could influence sales of related items thus boosting the overall economy, I would say off hand they help to increase the sale of alcholol, train tickets, apparently sales of toilet rolls, and other such items. I think that the doctors you highlight in war torn countries for example are doing it for the vocation rather than the pay, but should be adequately rewarded for doing so.
@PeacefulWmn9 (10420)
• United States
2 Sep 09
Hello Thea. What an interesting topic. I have always been astounded at what today's professional athletes earn in comparison to what other professionals earn. Doctors and nurses, yes, and what of teachers, soldiers, and such???
For as long as people are so crazy about sports and entertainment, I imagine the trend in an athlete's pay will just keep rising. Ack!
Karen
@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
2 Sep 09
Hello Karen, whilst no one has managed to convince me that these ridiculous football salaries are justified in any way the business aspect of them influencing the businesses which generate money obviously plays a large part. It appears that most of the players money will be frittered away though like that of lottery winners. The vocational professions are not valued in monetary terms as they do not generate income for another group. It does indeed seem an astounding inequity.
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@finidinwa (497)
• United States
3 Sep 09
Really sounds controversial but the fact remains that footballer earn more the imbalance can not be overemphasize but what can we do nothing is absolutely the answer because as we speak their weekly take home are still constantly increased i mean footballers but based on the argument Doctor can spend more than 50 years of service but footballers at most 15 or if lucky more so they have less time to earn but this is not justified because if a footballer properly invest he is going to enjoy it very so it still remains a constant but personaly i have flare for medicine not because they are to earn more but because i find it fufilling.
@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
3 Sep 09
Hello finidinwa, from your answer I would take you to be a medical student so if I'm right good luck in your studies. It seems that there are two levels of earnings for doctors, those who pamper to the rich and famous and those who just go about their business saving lives and healing. I would presume the more vocational aspect of the latter is more fulfilling than the money but indeed the inequity prevails between really needed jobs and those more in the luxury/entertainment section.
@stvasile (7306)
• Romania
1 Sep 09
It's not only the doctor's role that makes him suitable for a high wage. It's also the responsibility lying on their shoulders. A doctor should never think his money is not enough (what food to buy for less money or that the children need clothes or books) when he's performing surgery. When you have something like that to do, you should be completely focussed on what you are doing, not on how to save so you pay the bills.
There is also the aspect of bribery... Many doctors or judges from my country are inclined to take money from the patients or from the accused/plaintiff so they earn some decent money...
@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
1 Sep 09
Hi stvasile, you must have missed that discussion before, we also have brown envelopes for docs here, that is bribery. I've no idea if judges are up to it here as well but most other officials are so probably. You are right of course that a doc should earn a suitable income so that his focus is not fixed on monetary gain, but the practice which our two countries are aware of were not known of in other countries when I raised the issue earlier, in fact the US respondees seemed particularly abhorred by the practice.
@CraftyCorner (5600)
• United States
1 Sep 09
I think teachers who teach children need a big pay raise. They teach them proper manners, how to read, do math, love to learn should be paid more than they are, and the incompetent ones need be sacked. They've a handful of future. Footballers have a handful of ball.
@CraftyCorner (5600)
• United States
8 Sep 09
Our kids tend to have a LOT to learn when they enter school because of so much turmoil at home.
@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
1 Sep 09
Hi CraftyCorner, I agree with you there, our teachers are particularly badly paid which is why they get away with going on strike so often, I believe it's less than 12,000 euros which is a bit difficult to do more than survive on. Luckily our teachers here don't need to teach manners as the children have them already when they start school but they maintain great respect and affection with the children and in many cases inspire.
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@Fortunata (1135)
• United States
31 Aug 09
I think Sports figures make too much money, but people will disagree with me. I do think doctors and nurses should make more money, because they do save people's lives.
@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
31 Aug 09
Hi fortunata, lovely name by the way. Well you are the tenth respondee and no one has disagreed yet with you. It seems that other professions indeed are more highly valued, just not in monetary terms. Sports figures along with other celebrity types are feeding a chain of money as one of the responders above said whilst the likes of doctors are only valued by patients with no influence perhaps on this money chain.
@AndrewFreyne (6281)
• United Kingdom
31 Aug 09
Hi thea, well this one is easy! I definitely think that a doctor should earn more as it takes years of study and training to become to enter the medical field. A footballer is constantly playing a game that he loves and the only reason he is so highly paid is the fact that he is on the television all the time. I don't think it makes any sense to pay footballers so highly and above those that work so hard in terms of study to get where they are. Andrew
@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
1 Sep 09
Got a bit distracted there Andrew, just discovered a most unwelcome intruder on page one, I'm not saying people need an invite but some people really don't get the point and I could quite happily live without a godsquad follower. Apologies I digress.
The concensus here appears to definitely be that these footballers are paid out of proportion to what they do. When my son started playing in the local childrens team I had to complete a nightmare amount of paperwork and the reason given was that if he ever became a famous and rich footballer whoever he signed up with would be obliged to hand over a big wad of cash to the first team that trained him, so even the under tens are already looked at as nothing more than future earnings. I think others feed off the celebrity of footballers to a ridiculous extent and you are quite right to say that doctors deserve higher salaries than footballers
@jellymonty (2352)
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31 Aug 09
This is one of the classics tales of LIFE'S NOT FAIR AT ALL!!
I don't understand how a pretty boy who kicks a ball around for 90 minutes can possibly earn more than a doctor. Yet without the doctor most of us would be in our graves and without a footballer life still goes on. I guess nowadays the more skilled and educated you are, the less money you will make. This is the reason why the premiership is losing its value.. there's too much money in it and it's all about the money.... which is killing the love of the game..
@sblossom (2168)
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31 Aug 09
I think it’s very difficult to say who should earn more. It’s a very complicated topic. Basically it is depended by the market. Generally footballer seems need long time to get start their career, but their career period is very short. Also their job seems dangerous too.
If I can think something unfair in wages I first would think farmers. I think compared to their works the income is too low. Also for teachers their salaries seem not decent either.
Talking about the topic it seems very frustrating. As we all know the bankers caused the economical crisis and made us in difficult. However until today they still enjoy their high salary without any responsibility.
@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
31 Aug 09
Hi sblossom, you are actually the first person to bring the bankers into the discussion and many of the top bankers continue to draw huge salaries even when their own shareholders are losing money, they simply take no accountability at all for their mistakes or lack of judgement and continue to earn enormous packages.
I also don't think a footballers career could be considered dangerous in comparison to the farmers you mention who oftentimes have to deal with the elements and dangerous tools.whilst unable to carry the same level of insurance as a footballer.
@Sandra1952 (6047)
• Spain
31 Aug 09
Hello, Thea. It's a sad fact of life that these days people are paid according to their market value rather than their value to society. To doctors and footballers, I'd add: nurses and supermodels; paramedics and tv presenters; firemen and boy bands. All of the first named train for years, work long hours and can be called on to risk their lives while saving others. All the second group can claim is having a questionable but marketable talent or appeal which can be exploited to earn big money for themselves and their Svengalis. And if they can't cope with the pressures of fame, they often find themselves in the hands of the true professionals. Ironic, isn't it?
@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
31 Aug 09
Hello Sandra, an excellent and concise response I must say and you have highlighted other areas of ridiculous wage disparity. Firefighters are indeed underpaid in comparison to mindless boy bands and the former more likely to need the services of the doctors as their profession is probably one of the most dangerous while boy bands can at least supply themselves with bodyguards to fight off the threat of young girls which would appear to be their main danger.
Certainly the issue of the training these professionals put in,her more frequently self funded these days, makes the wages of the non professionals you mention rather obscene. And the latter whilst chasing the fast buck and fame are indeed often incapable of seeing how they are themselves being exploited for someone elses gain.
@picjim (3002)
• India
31 Aug 09
Just like how a footballer earns more than a doctor i would also like to bring in the comparison between a teacher and a sportsman. Obviously the sportsman makes more money but just imagine without teachers stoking the imagination of the students would we have people who excel in all branches of learning like engineers,architects,accountants,lawyers,scientists and artists.
@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
31 Aug 09
Hi picjim, another excellent example of a profession being undervalued in pay in comparison to something less important. A good teacher inspires students to excell and to develop individuality in thinking, which in turn leads to other careers of great value. A sportsperson is for today but the work of scientists and engineers can be appreciated for generations due to their contributions.
@ic3pr1nc3ss5 (37)
• United States
1 Sep 09
Doctors should definitly get paid more, but the reason wh people who play football are so rich is because people are more interested in paying at least 5,000 for tickets to the superbowl or something. And I don't think an injury that is as common as the people who like to watch football would be more then 5,00 dollars.
@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
1 Sep 09
Hi ic3, are you serious, people in America pay $5000 dollars to watch a game, that can't be possible surely, I thought the people that had that kind of money to do anything with were the sort who would get free boxes or seats to most entertainment anyway. Well if they are paying all that for entertainment why are they always complaining about high dr's bills?
@Professor2010 (20162)
• India
25 Mar 11
Nice discussion and beautiful comparision, those player who fix-up the match, as it is called here, earn a lot by this illegal and sad technique, similarly some doctors earn lots, they don't have sympathy for human beings, suffers..
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