kids and spanking
By bounce58
@bounce58 (17385)
Canada
October 5, 2009 3:34pm CST
I just read somewhere here that kids that get spanked often have problems growing up. Is this true? The way kids act these days I feel that they just need a little spanking. When I was growing up, spanking was the punishment of choice. I may have some baggages in life, but I don't consider it a major problem. Sometimes I just feel that it's hard for society to expect kids to grow up well adjusted, if they don't get some sort of punishment.
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@highflyingxangel (9225)
• United States
5 Oct 09
The spank or not to spank debate is something that in my line of work we've covered quite often and we've found, through a lot of research that children that are spanked tend to end up with some sort of problem from it. And I'm not talking about kids that are beaten, I'm talking about kids that are spanked and nothing more. Children end up fearing their parents and they end up thinking that violence and hitting is the way to solve all of their problems.
Children that are spanked actually misbehave more than children that are not spanked. There are PLENTY of other ways to discipline without having to raise your hand or your belt to your kids.
I can't figure out why adults demand respect. If someone strange just hauled up and whacked an adult for doing something 'wrong' they'd be hit back and they'd probably call the cops for assault. We throw a fit if a man smacks his wife around for misbehaving, but it's OK to smack your kids around for misbehaving? I fail to see the logic in why it's OK to hit your kids. Whether you call it spanking or hitting, you're still hitting your kids and that is NOT OK.
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@voldrox (7191)
• India
6 Oct 09
highflyingxangel at the beginning itself you had separated spanking from beating, but just after that spanking sounds like beating, look i am just being polite and honest at the same time, but i have to disagree with you, i have been spanked as a child and i am not rebellious like you stated, i guess if i was beaten up i could have been but my parents were considerate enough to see that they were not spanking me enough to turn that in to a beating... the outcomes that you have referred in your response sounds to me rather beating than spanking and so i have to disagree, spanking doesn't cause these all... spanking comes out of love for the child and to just show them the right way when they don't listen the first time you say and beating comes out of anger and frustration... hope you understand and don't get me wrong... plz feel free to say anything you want, i would like to discuss, i will be as polite as i can be...
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@sonrisa42 (69)
• United States
5 Oct 09
Good Evening Bounce
First of all, let's make clear that we are taling about a spanking and not abuse.
Personally for me (I can only talk for myself) I feel that God has given me a brain and good common sense to punish my children without having to hit them. I also feel that it depends on the age of the child. When children are young, maybe five and under a little spanking (spank on the buttocks, arm or leg with hand only) could be the most efficient especially if you are trying to keep them safe. For instance if you have talked to your child about playing with matches or staying away from hot stove. If you have incidences where they do not listen and do things that put them in harms way then you might have to spank them a little to make your point but then explain why you did what you did so that they may see why it happened and hopefully deter them from repeating the action. As they grow older they are more able to comprehend things and things and so you explain to the what behavior and things are expected e.g. to be respectful, clean their room etc.
If they decide not to obey then after five years old i believe the best punishment to give is to take things they like away for a certain amount of time. The length of time depends on what they did. If they didn't clean room then take cell phone and computer etc until they do. If they were disrespectful then for longer periods of time. As most parents of older children know, spanking does not work for most children after five and all it does is build resentment within child and the child parent relationship can start to deteriorate. I have a 13 1/2 and a 16 1/2 and when they were little they were spanked a couple of times, again only when it regarded to things or doing things that would hurt them. As they grew older I did not spank them but took their favorite items away and it's not something that I've had to do a lot. When I want my girls to do something, I explain to them why and the benefits and consiquences of not doing those things e.g. cleaning your room, taking a bath, not doing well in school and getting a good education. My kids are not perfect and neither am I. It's a learning process and just when you think you have a stage down, they enter another. I beleive that if some of today's parents would not let their little ones (1-5 years old) rule and control them (and I've seen toddlers control full grown adults) and spank them when necesary then maybe just maybe they would not grow up to be the unruly and disrepectful youths that we have in our society (and not youths are this way but I'm sure we can agree that too many are).
@marty3888 (2355)
• Acme, Michigan
7 Oct 09
Oh yes, let me be clear on that. I also don't believe in spanking after 5 or 6. By then, you can take things away and in many cases, that can be even more tough than spanking. I remember I left a bunch of 45s in the living room. (for those who don't know what a 45 is, ask someone 30 yeqrs old or older. lol.) She took them away for a month. And sure enough, I never did it again.
@irisspeedy3xc (64)
• United States
7 Oct 09
You do make a good point sonrisa42. but i still dont spank and my kids are under 5 and they are not like some kids you see today, because i seem that too, kids throwing fits in public and the parent doesnt do anything is more like the child run things. and bounce58, yes boys are much more different, i have 2 boys, and they are very hyper active, i seems girls, they are more calmer than boys, and boys it takes them longer to learn things than girls, research, doesnt say why, girls for some reason learn thing faster, example; potty training, learning to ride a bike, drinking from a regular cup, etc. But again, each kid is different i do know that with my boys, taking things away works and they are happy, i am happy because i dont feel terrible for spanking them, and they do listened.
@bounce58 (17385)
• Canada
6 Oct 09
Thanks sonrisa42 for your very insightful response. It is really something to think about. The 1-5 spanking I understand as I saw my toddler more than once jumping from the couch and landing on his head on the floor.
I also notice from your response that you mentioned that you have girls. I have boys. Would they be different?
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@deebomb (15304)
• United States
5 Oct 09
I was raised when spanking was the way to discipline a wayward child. I got more spanking than I should have. But I do believe in very discriminating spanks. I believe it should be used as a last resort. I used it and my kids are very well adjusted as are my grandkids whom I also spanks when all else failed. I also believe that when a child reaches the age that you can reason with them better it is time to stop spanking. It also depends on the child. Some time it takes a spanking to get that child's attention. I don't think that a child should be beaten with a belt or any thing else but the hand or with anger.
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@bounce58 (17385)
• Canada
5 Oct 09
You bring up a good point! The 'age when you can reason with them'. I think that will also be my chosen time to stop spanking the kids. I think my parents also stopped at about that time. When they could get to realize the conseqences of their actions, and hopefully they know right from wrong, then you know your job is done.
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@jacobsguardian (108)
• United States
6 Oct 09
The ability to reason plays a big part in when kids are beyond spanking, but also when an alternate form of punishment is more effective. For my boys, taking away their video game time or not allowing them to play with their friends after school is far worse than getting a spanking these days.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
5 Oct 09
hi bounce people have been saying that for centuries aboutthe
kids act worst today, so kids and people do not change much over the centuries. a few qick swats on the seat is one thing,but many parents spand in anger and it turns into a real punishment like you might want a criminal to get. no hard spankings and beatings are child abuse and must not be perpetrated against little kids. spanking light is one thing,that is discipline, teaching. beating is punishment and cruelty.
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@sid556 (30959)
• United States
6 Oct 09
Hatley, you said that really well. There is a huge difference between a punishment or a quick swat to stop a behavior or grab the childs attention. I had to really think on my answer because all of my kids will swear they never got spanked and I'm sure there were times when they were toddlers that I did that little swat thing. It was rare. If they don't remember it then it wasn't traumatic. My 22 yr old does remember a spanking. She was 16 and oh she was such a rebellious kid. She was up in my face running her little mouth and she said something so over the top rude and disrespectful that I flipped her over onto the bed and I began spanking her butt. She held her head and cried "Mom, what in the world are you doing?" I said, " I am giving you the spanking I should have given you a long time ago" and then puzzled, I asked, " Why are you holding your head?" We both got to giggling.....end of discipline session.
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@bounce58 (17385)
• Canada
6 Oct 09
Hi Hatley, that's what I wonder. As society grows mature, we come up with different ways to punish children, re: timeouts. Yet, kids today act worse, or at least show no respect. Is that because we change our way or parenting? Should we just go back to spanking where a lot of people will attest that is not so bad anyway. And that kids turn out to be good, responsible adults even if they were spanked as children.
@votenoonpineapple (235)
• Canada
5 Oct 09
I grew up just fine with spanking. I think there's a fine line between spanking and beating your children to an extent, though.
I think the no spanking-give time outs instead approach is starting to show it's effects on children, which seem to be turning out a very disrespectful, sense of entitlement sort of attitude in a lot of children.
Now, I realize that children are individuals, and I'm not trying to say that this represents all children out there. But, growing up...we weren't like this.
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@bounce58 (17385)
• Canada
5 Oct 09
Yes I agree with you votenoonpineapple! I think there is nothing wrong with getting spanked while growing up. In fact, we're the ones who would know that fine line between spanking and beating up your kids. I would just hate to see my kids grow up disrespectful and having a sense of entitlement, if I know that I could have changed this by spanking while they're growing up.
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@jacobsguardian (108)
• United States
6 Oct 09
I think you are right about children these days that are given time outs when what they really need is a good, old-fashioned spanking. I was spanked as a child, and I turned out relatively normal (although my loved ones might disagree :p). I don't spank with a belt like my parents did, though, because I feel that using anything but your hand keeps you too disconnected from the pain your child feels and can result in "beating" rather than "spanking". I also take the time to talk to my kids in the rare instance they get a spanking so that they understand why they're being punished. Without that communication afterward, then the punishment becomes pointless, and that's true no matter what kind of punishment you use.
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@angelajoy (1825)
• Philippines
6 Oct 09
Yes, I agree with you redphile. Spanking should never be done without reason. Whenever you spank kids you should explain to them why you did it because if you spank them without an explanation they would later on think that you abused them. They would also resent you and might even stop loving you.
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@vikkiz (518)
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6 Oct 09
I forgot to say that!!! i totally agree with you i also do it if i have to put my son on the naughty step, i take him there then explain why hes stitting there i also tell him if he continues to be naughty i will add and extra 5 mins to his naughty step time and i always stick to it! thats why i dont have to smack my child very often as he know once he gets that warning its best to stop what hes doing otherwise puniment will follow, more serious than a red bottom is i will confiscate is nintendo ds for a week or disallow him sweets or trampoline time he know how far to push me before he gets into serious trouble lol
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@bounce58 (17385)
• Canada
7 Oct 09
After the spanking there is usually a calmness that follows. I think it is mostly because of the child's shock that mum or dad spanked him/her. I'd like to think that is where a kid's realization take place. And this would also be the perfect time for an explanation from the parent on why the kid got spanked.
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@marty3888 (2355)
• Acme, Michigan
5 Oct 09
Same here. I just don't understand "timeout," do yo9u? Somehow, I can't think a kid will fear time out as much as a spanking. I agree with you. I got spanked. I'm OK.
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@bounce58 (17385)
• Canada
6 Oct 09
I am also having the same trouble. I am unsure about time outs. On what it does to kids really? Can anybody out there help us understand this?
I think I just provoked a sleeping bear. I'm sure the experts lurking here in mylot would be up in arms on defending and explaining how good and what the advantages of time outs are.
Enlighten us please.....
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@marty3888 (2355)
• Acme, Michigan
7 Oct 09
Hi irispeedy.
I'm wondering how long the time out is for. When my sister did it, and me and my brother looked at each other (because both of us had gotton spanked) is trhey stood in the corner for 10 minutes and it was over. And same here. When she gave him timeout he owuld cry and I thought "well, it has the same effect as spankings." But unlike with you the he wouldn't do it again rule didn't kick in. And as far as taking away playtime, it tok away ten minutes of playtime. Then it over.
@irisspeedy3xc (64)
• United States
7 Oct 09
Ok i am not an expert but with kids i give them time outs, and the way is works is, that kids love to play be wild, eat, i mean look at it, kids eat, play, scream, all day, is the life, they do that all day, and they like that for them having fun is everything, when you give them time out you are taking that away, they dont like it, because well, abviously they just want to play, you are showing them that you have the power to take that away, and evrytime my kids do something wrong, i put them in time out no tv, not toys, no snacks. they cry but they stop after 5 minutes, and they dont do it again, but every kid is different. for my kids that how it works, i explain to them why they are in time out, he understands, and he is not even 3 yrs old yet. he respects me, does what he is told, and understand that if he misbehaves, his favorite thing to do will be taken for a while.
@Pose123 (21635)
• Canada
5 Oct 09
Hi bounce, I would not be surprised if this was true as I have always been strongly opposed to spanking. The parents are the adults and resorting to spanking only tells a child that violence is okay. My parents raised nine children without having to resort to spanking and we have always been a close family who loved our parents dearly. My wife and I raised three boys the same way and had no major problems of any kind and my siblings did the same. My three sons are all married with families of their own and I feel sure that they will continue in the same way. I know there are those with differing opinions, but I believe spanking to be wrong. Blessings.
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@bounce58 (17385)
• Canada
6 Oct 09
I wish I could have an ideal kids as you have pose123. I would like to discipline my kids without resorting to spanking too. And I'm unsure how I got here, but the reality for me now is that sometimes, this is the only thing that they understand. That when they did something serious, a spanking is coming. They may not like it, but it is undertstood.
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@wahmivy (776)
• Philippines
5 Oct 09
Most kids who were spanked were able to cope with the experience (there's always resentment and humiliation involved of course). The effects on the personality may not be easily discernible, but I believe it does affect a child negatively. Even if a spanked child doesn't end up all screwed up, spanking in itself is said to be an ineffective form of discipline. It's even called lazy parenting because it's so easy to resort to it to discourage a child from bad behavior. However, good behavior is promoted by an external factor, when parents should endeavor to instill an intrinsic desire to for correct behavior. I'm all for discipline and letting children know that actions have consequences, but I'm not convinced that spanking is the way to go.
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@wahmivy (776)
• Philippines
7 Oct 09
That's one way of looking at it. I think it's referred to as lazy parenting because, as I mentioned, it's easy to be punitive in that way without really thinking further as to how parents can teach their children how to behave better. I guess they believe there are more creative, constructive ways to correct misbehavior and they'd be willing to explore the other options instead of just resorting to spanking.
@bounce58 (17385)
• Canada
6 Oct 09
Hi wahvimy, I beg to differ about spanking being a form of lazy parenting. Although it may appear as just anger and frustration, it is actually calculated action on the part of the parent. Trying to instill fear or discipline to the child while making sure that the child does not hurt too much. And what about the parent's guilt afterwards. Phewww!
@MysticTomatoes (1053)
• United States
5 Oct 09
I don't. I got spanked when I screwed up. So did my DH. He got spanked as well as his large family of brothers and sisters. I think it's when a child grows up with no boundaries or boundaries that are flexing constantly that the child has problems.
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@bounce58 (17385)
• Canada
5 Oct 09
Nicely put. I think the spanking give the kids their boundaries. Some things they do, they get a timeout, or they get priveledges taken away from them. But for serious things, and when they deserve it, they should get spanked. I think this helps them realize the magnitude of their fault, and hopefully they think otherwise the next time around.
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@shell2784 (752)
• United States
17 Feb 10
I do not feel at all that kids would grow up with problems because of spanking - as long as it isn't excessive. Kids who are borderline beat on a daily basis I do believe will have problems... who wouldn't! haha
I used to get spankings... and they were the good old fashioned kind (they hurt!) and I got them on a daily... no, twice daily... eh, lets go with 5x or more - ok, so I was a bad kid and my punishments were spankings and sent to my room/grounded... and we did this clean up til I was 11 or 12 - well the groundings went on after that... anyway...
My mom and I weren't the best of friends from when i was like 10 and older. We'd fight constantly. I hated her, she hated me and so on and so forth.
I can promise you that my "disliking" my mother had NOTHING to do with the spankings. nothing at all. It was about her and my dad getting divorced and her getting remarried so soon - and I held that resentment for a good 9 years or so. Too long. Too long.
Now that I'm a Mom, I just don't care for the spanking. I notice that most of the time I feel the urge to spank my child is when I'm really worked up or stressed out all ready. So I make it a point not to go there. I will never again spank my child out of anger - THAT'S when I think it starts causing problems... which, my Mom did from time to time - but I knew I was egging her on and am strong enough to not hold that against her.
My Jossy gets a nice bum tap from time to time - but most of the time I can find more effective ways of punishing. Hitting just isn't always necessary. PLUS I found, when she was getting more spankings, she was hitting other kids more because "my mommy does it!" OH NO!!!! haha
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@shell2784 (752)
• United States
17 Feb 10
I thought the same thing... well, my mom spanked me, and her dad spanked her... why shouldn't Joslynn get a spanking? But most of the time, if she's bad - I can sit down and talk to her about it. Then after we talk about what she did bad, then she goes to her room for a 10 minute time out/wind down session and when she comes back out she's free and clear. I don't like to make it a point to rehash what she did wrong. She did it, we talked about it, she took her time out/served her sentence, and its forgotten. That's our understanding and its what works for us.
I wish me and my mom could have done that... but she was just doing what she was taught. Just because you're raised one way, doesnt' mean that that has to be the way forever - there's always room for improvement and I'm always looking for success!!!!
@bounce58 (17385)
• Canada
17 Feb 10
Oh no! That’s a sure-fire way to get in trouble your self. When the kids start telling on you.
I did notice that on my three-year old. A few months back I was spanking him when he was getting out of hand. I thought to myself, hey my parents did it, so I should also do it to my kids. Then I saw that he was also hitting his older brother when he was getting frustrated. Then I realized I had to stop. Of course, the older brother doesn’t fight back, but still I wanted to change up a few things. Now, both of them get the good ol’ stand in the corner thing.
@doormouse (4599)
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5 Oct 09
i was smacked as a child and i've grown up just fine,i've also been known to smack my kids aswell,there's nothing wrong in giving kids a small smack,what i don't agree with is the belt or hairbrush etc,i'd never do that
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@sid556 (30959)
• United States
6 Oct 09
I got the stick and I got the hair brush,...fly swatter, paddle. I don't look at it as if I was abused. I was told it was coming if I did certain things. When I did those things and got caught then that was the result. Personally, I didn't use spanking as discipline with my kids and they have grown into fine young ladies. Maybe there is no real right answer. There is a difference between abuse and discipline.
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@bounce58 (17385)
• Canada
6 Oct 09
You've added one more thing sid556! When you say it's coming! Sometimes I tell my kids to stop whatever they are doing (which they are supposed to), they would say yes, but still keep doing it. I would say stop or they will get punished. And if it continues, then I would say, if you don't stop, then a spanking is coming!
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@bounce58 (17385)
• Canada
5 Oct 09
I'm just like you doormouse. The thing I don't understand are these experts that say spanking is not good for the kids. And that society accepts this as the truth. And as parents, we also get punished if we go against this truth. I still have to meet somebody who was not spanked/smacked as a kid but turned out ok and well adjusted.
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@strikezero86 (246)
• Canada
6 Oct 09
So, for this issue on spanking, I guess it's a matter of positive reinforcement (getting rewarded for doing something) versus negative reinforcement (doing something to avoid punishment or "stimulus"). I really think that which course a parent takes should really be dependent on the child. Children will respond differently to different punishments or other disciplining techniques. The key is finding out which one actually gets through to the child (i.e. if a child continues to do something after being spanked, then obviously spanking is not the answer; but if it works, then hey, go ahead and do it).
Personally, I think that there are better ways to discipline a child than spanking. I know it's not a beating or an abuse, but still, light hitting, I don't think that's the way to go. Why? All my life, my parents use negative reinforcement, from spanking to constant nagging and lecturing, even if it's the smallest insignificant thing in the world (like dropping an empty plastic cup on the floor). I don't respond well to either of those things; it just gets me angry. I respond better to positive reinforcement. If they knew that, I'd have a better relationship with them. (FYI, my relationship with everyone else in the world is completely fine.)
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@EnglishTeaDuck (862)
• United States
6 Oct 09
I don't believe reasonable spanking for punishment is abuse, but I do believe it should be a last resort, and I believe it should be considered and for a reason, not just out of anger.
Sadly some parents do not do this as discipline but just as a response to their frustration. I am not talking about abuse or beating, but just the fact that spanking in anger to get your own anger out is not the same as taking them aside and giving them a spank as a last resort because you feel it is the appropriate way to discipline them.
I learned this from my mother. I don't consider myself abused (atleast not physically)or beaten, but I do know when she hit me, on the whole, it was just her lashing out in anger which had more to do with her own issues than me, and it would be for the slightest thing. I didn't obey her because I had been taught the error of my ways through this, I obeyed her I learned that she couldn't be trusted, and was not a safe place for me to go to, and wasn't in control of herself.
My mother always said 'well, it never did me any harm'. Yes it did, because you passed it on to your kids, who grew up feeling worthless because you told them they were.
So in my case it was coupled with emotional abuse. I think maybe this is the key - if a child is spanked for discipline in the context of a loving home it can be appropriate guidance for them. Without that context, in a home where the child doesn't know they are loved or safe, I think that is maybe when damage is done.
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@cheenlly (3476)
• Philippines
6 Oct 09
I believe the opposite. Those who haven't tried little spanking as part of displine can make a kid spoiled and hard headed but i didn't say that i tolerate spanking. What i am trying to say is that there's nothing wrong to give your child a little spank when she/he done wrong so she/he will be aware about things that are not right to do but this should be done with love because a child will feel if that kind of spank is with love or just hurting ( well if its hurting to much then that's the wrong thing) and shouldn't done infront of the many. After spanking you should then explain and talk why she/he deserve to have a little spank. Through this way she/he will understand why and no bitterment or angry feeling when growing up.Teaching your kids in a right way is a better guide for them to grow up nice and good person. However i didn't say this will applied to all kids. Its still depend on how good you displine your kids as you have your own way but beating is a big no no no to me, well that's a different story of course.
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@headabnger2884 (253)
• Ireland
6 Oct 09
Different kids need different punishement
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@prinzcy (32305)
• Malaysia
6 Oct 09
I don't think spanking can cause such a thing. I did get spank a lot when I was young (though not as much as my other siblings) We're young, we make mistakes. Spanking was a reward for being mischievous. Thanks to that, we realized what's wrong and what's not and grow to be us now days.
I don't blame spanking, it's not torture, it just that parents don't know how to deal with our attitude. Torture is different. If someone blame spanking for his or her bad behaviour, they better think again and look further.
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@angelajoy (1825)
• Philippines
6 Oct 09
I believe it is the opposite. Children who never get spanked grow up with attitude problems. My parents spanked me when I was little and I think it helped discipline me. Of course, there are limits to the spanking. I prefer spanking kids only on the hands and occasionally on the butt if the child is behaving very badly. But I would never slap a kid's face because that is too personal and would surely make kids feel bitter and resentful.
@jules67 (2788)
• Philippines
6 Oct 09
I have read a lot of times that kids should not be spanked. All you need to do is to talk to them and explain them very well what they have done. But sometimes, one has to spank because most of the kids now are so hard to discipline.
@dollarku123 (16)
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6 Oct 09
there is tittle truth, but if think the boy hitting action is not good for his psychological development, children are growing more in need of love i was not an act of violence.