Ignore Helium and my rating is sinking. Has this happened to you?
By AnythngArt
@AnythngArt (3302)
United States
October 9, 2009 12:17am CST
Lately I have been concentrating on writing for Associated Content and haven't been producing for Helium. Every day, I check my rating and earnings over at Helium, and each day it seems my star rating (for writing) is sinking lower and lower. Has this happened to you? I am nearing the edge of a star, but don't have time to write for them right now. Will I end up losing a writing star if I don't submit something soon?
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19 responses
@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
9 Oct 09
Hi Art, you are so funny! Since you are so near to getting the fourth writing star, why dont concentrate on Helium until you secure the fourth writing star?
Now that I have four writing stars, I dont worry about writing score anymore. It's unlikely to fall below 65%.
I think you can rewrite the articles you submit to AC for Helium. You can use a different angle and give a new title to the article. I'm sure you can suggest new titles and get the empty title bonus as well.
Meanwhile leapfrog your article, otherwise you have to start from 1 writing star.
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@AnythngArt (3302)
• United States
9 Oct 09
You are right. Now I am going to ignore Associated Content. I spent a long time writing the last article for AC, and then I was so tired I messed up the last paragraph. Ugh. Once I write about the Twitter contest, I can take a break from AC for a little while and concentrate on Helium. I just wish there were two of me or that I could write faster. I have been submitting some new titles over at Helium...do they ever think you do that too much? I try and sprinkle them in with other writing, but who knows, probably no one is even paying attention to what I am doing there!
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@Canellita (12029)
• United States
9 Oct 09
Don't forget that it is what your star status is at the end of the month that counts!
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
9 Oct 09
Hi Art, do you give AC exclusive rights or non-exclusive rights? If you have selected non-exclusive rights, you can repost to Helium.
I can see the effort you put into the articles. I hope you can learn to rewrite so that you do not waste the effort in research.
As long as you can get four writing stars, and earn from empty title bonus, you can still earn the upfront payment, even if you do not make much more in passive income.
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@GardenGerty (160949)
• United States
9 Oct 09
I have not had stars in ages. I would like to get there more often, but I do contract freelance in addition to my recreational places like MyLot and Gather, and then I work way too many hours. If you lose it, you will gain it back I am sure.
@GardenGerty (160949)
• United States
9 Oct 09
I rejoined Gather, but do not get much done there. I have several places I could write,but things do get in the way.
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@AnythngArt (3302)
• United States
10 Oct 09
I don't know why but Gather has lost some of its luster for me. Maybe it's just my own attitude, but it feels stale over there. I guess you have to participate to make it interesting, and my participation has been lacking for sure. Why did you leave Gather?
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@AnythngArt (3302)
• United States
9 Oct 09
Something always has to give. I know that the biggest thing to suffer for me is my participation over on Gather. I have a book review group there, too, and I am always behind on approving and reading Gather people's reviews. I still like the site, but with spending time on Helium and AC, it becomes the forgotten child.
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@irishidid (8687)
• United States
9 Oct 09
I pretty much ignore Helium except to speed rate and check my balance. Yes, I said speed rate. I fly through those puppies. They might be able to force me to rate but they can't force me to like it. LOL
I have no writing stars and at this point don't care. Their novelty wore off long ago.
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@AnythngArt (3302)
• United States
9 Oct 09
Sometimes I enjoy rating; sometimes I loathe it. I guess for me it depends on the day of the week (which is to say, my mood).
@AnythngArt (3302)
• United States
10 Oct 09
That can be a real challenge...picking from two horribly written articles. Skipping is a good idea. I never thought of using it for that purpose. Usually I use it for when I am out of my depth, like computer games, and know nothing about the subject.
@irishidid (8687)
• United States
10 Oct 09
No, most I do read except the ones I skip. Which is generally all of the poetry and the ones where both options are so horrible I want to hit the "please never write again" button for both of them. We know that doesn't exist. So I skip them. LOL
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@iakulchen (615)
• Singapore
9 Oct 09
My star rating did flutuate by quite a bit when there was a period of time I didn't write anything for Helium. They went up as well as down though, so there was also a time when I was looking at a bonus star from having a 85% writng score, as well as one or two days I dropped by a star when I went below 75%. So from personal experience, I would say that no, you don't have to worry about not writing for Helium affecting your writing stars, it's just normal flutuations. (Well, at least, as normal as you can get on Helium)
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@AnythngArt (3302)
• United States
9 Oct 09
Thanks for your feedback! I thought maybe they were punishing me for ignoring/dropping off on my writing over there. That's all I need...to make myself paranoid too! LOL It's hard to put things in perspective sometimes.
@AnythngArt (3302)
• United States
9 Oct 09
I am glad to hear that...my stars just sunk to two today (right on the cusp). I know I will be writing more this weekend and leapfrogging, but it's disheartening all the same. Helium is like a toddler that you have to watch every minute or it does something naughty.
@Canellita (12029)
• United States
9 Oct 09
It depends on how much of a lag there is in your writing. My third star went away but as soon as I started posting again it came back.
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@Canellita (12029)
• United States
9 Oct 09
I just had this same problem because of all those weeks my computer was out of commission. I lost one rating star and one writing star. I was lucky enough to make payout but it would have been at least $10 more if I had retained my third star.
I finally started posting again and after just two articles and a dozen or so rates my score is on it's way back up and my third writing star has been restored. It doesn't take much.
You have to remember that sometimes your 1 of 1 articles will become competitive and that will bring your score down quickly. I had like 3 or 4 of my titles get additional articles added and my score went way down so fast I started going through the articles one by one to see what the problem was. I usually submit articles to titles no one else seems interested in.
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@AnythngArt (3302)
• United States
9 Oct 09
Thanks for sharing your experience. I think mine sounds similar. My last articles were all 1 of 1, so that may be the cause...I haven't really explored it fully yet. Today I lost my third star (it's on the cusp at .97), so I am hoping that by posting some new articles this weekend and leapfrogging, I can get it back. I hate that sinking feeling! Ugh. Helium is like a naughty child that always wants attention. I guess that's how they keep slackers like me writing.
@AnythngArt (3302)
• United States
10 Oct 09
Ok, fair enough, I still get paid with fewer stars, I just have to do more work to get to payout. I think it's the Catholic schoolgirl in me that wants to keep up her good star rating. I guess that I just discovered that you have to maintain a writing level (and not just drop off the face of the planet) to maintain the stars. At the end of the day, it's probably more about my anal-retentiveness than the money. Now you've found me out. Shucks!
@Canellita (12029)
• United States
9 Oct 09
It would definitely br to their advantage to make it necessary for contributors to keep posting even intermittently in order to maintain writing stars and keep getting paid. The number of stars affects upfront payment though, not page view income so I guess it is all in what you want to get out of it.
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@IMEzekieL (498)
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11 Oct 09
Are you kidding me?
I prefer Helium than AC.
A financial-based article on Helium can earn you $0.01 per view. Can AC beat that?
Trust me, I've been earning a lot of money with Helium. I'm sure you can to, just concentrate on creating and promoting finance-related articles.
Anyway, regarding rating, yes I do agree that when you don't rate frequently, your rating will go down. But it's quite easy to regain ratings. A couple of minutes of rating articles will do the trick.
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@AnythngArt (3302)
• United States
12 Oct 09
I guess I need to write more about finance! I have done some Helium articles on the workplace, and they have done very well. What I was talking about was losing my star for WRITING by not doing so. The rating stars are easy enough to manage. It's the mystery behind how to maintain your writing status (which controls how much money you make per new article).
@AnythngArt (3302)
• United States
9 Oct 09
I think that the biggest advantage is that Associated Content pays upfront for your articles at a higher rate than Helium. However, they can also turn your articles down. Helium accepts everything, but you have the rating system to contend with. I like Helium because they come up with titles to write to, so I don't have to think things up. I like them each for different reasons. I tend to make more on page views over at Helium, but I have more articles there as well. I think you should try both, and just see what suits your mood better. I switch back and forth between the two.
Good luck with your writing.
@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
10 Oct 09
I've never been that active with Helium as I prefer writing for Associated Content, and don't worry about a star rating....I've never even had a star
To my mind AC pays so much better than Helium..I've never even made payout over there yet--I guess if I WERE more active there not only would I get a writer's star rating but a payout
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@AnythngArt (3302)
• United States
10 Oct 09
Pye: You should consider doing Helium just to repost your material. Just like with posting your old Ciao articles to AC, you can do the same with Helium for page views. They don't require first rights like many sites, and it's fairly easy to recycle material there. Just a thought.
@mrtimharry (1180)
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9 Oct 09
I thought about writing for AC but on balance thought I would earn more from Helium so have dedicated myself to that site. I do though have to keep an eye on my articles as you never know when a new article will be written with the possibility of pushing my article down the rankings.
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@AnythngArt (3302)
• United States
9 Oct 09
For a long time, I forgot about Associated Content and just wrote for Helium. Then one day, someone mentioned re-posting their articles over on Associated Content, and so I began doing that (as well as writing some new ones). It wasn't a conscious decision except to get a little extra mileage out of my Helium writing.
@ladym33 (10979)
• United States
12 Oct 09
I got in active on Helium too and my writing star went away, and my rating percentage goes down a little each week. I did go on and rate a few articles the other day. But I just don't feel it is worht my time to write there, it takes so long to get to the mininum payment. I know I will get paid no matter what at Associated content, and the rating system is not so annoying.
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@AnythngArt (3302)
• United States
12 Oct 09
I get annoyed with Helium, but I now have quite a few articles over there so that it is not as hard to make payout each month (although I just missed the amount needed last month). Once you get a couple hundred, it becomes easier overall. However, you can see from my post here that although I am active there, when I ignore the site for awhile, my score dropped. So you can't really do that. Just keep feeding it like you water a plant...just enough to keep the illusion going.
@paula27661 (15811)
• Australia
9 Oct 09
I am a member of Helium and I haven’t contributed anything there for ages because I too have been doing other things. I’ve noticed my stars dropping as well; I think it may be because ratings fluctuate and if you don’t contribute something new you stand the chance of losing a star or two. Helium informed me the other day that a publisher bought one of my articles which was great but I can’t cash the money because I am below minimum payout and I don’t earn anything unless I rate and I don’t have time to do that so it’s a bit of a vicious circle!
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@AnythngArt (3302)
• United States
9 Oct 09
I know what you are saying about the payout. Last month, I fell short, and now I have to wait another whole month to get paid. That's always a bonus when someone comes out of nowhere and buys one. I have sold a couple of articles that way. It really raises your spirits.
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@sblossom (2168)
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11 Oct 09
Yes, it happened with me too. I just rated 440 articles and I got 5 rating stars. So I thought I can take a break now. Before too long I found one of my rating stars lost.
I did not know why. Then I checked the help item. Then I found if my rating articles less than 500 and my rating score less than 85% I can not keep the five stars.
So the safest way is to rate over 500 articles and keep your rating score above 75%.
If you stop writing for them you will not lose your writing star. However if your competitive score is down a lot, you may lose your star.
Now I found Helium is like a job and it catches writers by the rating system. I feel a little upset when I found it.
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@AnythngArt (3302)
• United States
12 Oct 09
Yes, you have to do some work to keep the rating star, what I have been worried about is my WRITING star. I had 3, then by not writing anything new, it dropped to 2. This is the star that controls how much money you earn for new articles you write. I really guess I shouldn't worry since I have not been writing any. Well, I finally wrote a new one today and posted it, and plan to continue, so hopefully I will get my 3rd star back.
Good luck with your writing (and rating)!
@AnythngArt (3302)
• United States
12 Oct 09
I think each has its advantages and disadvantages:
Helium: They provide the titles; they accept any article (no rejections); you can earn more as you get more stars; less stringent writing requirements; no need to comment on others' writings. Only pays out once a month.
Associated Content; Pays upfront for exclusive articles; pickier in what they will accept, however; frequently only want holiday articles with no upfront payment; need to comment on others' articles; can write about any topic, you create them. No particular payout level or time of month...they pay out more often.
I do them both, but like and dislike parts of each. Good luck with your writing! Where do you write (what websites)?
@malamar (779)
• Canada
10 Oct 09
Hey AnythingArt, I hear what you are saying. I belong to Helium and for the first while it has got to be one of the most difficult sites to figure out. Once you do get it though, it takes very little time and attention to make payout every month.
First, you need to build up your article count, a couple of hundred will do it. That seems like a lot at first, but the residual pennies go on forever. They give you the clue to success on the community boards there over and over again - just write, write, write.
Sounds like trash talk at first, but then the reality kicks in. I love associated content, but I can't get the upfront payments for them as I am not US citizen. I spend less than five or six hours per month on Helium now to keep my status, and my payments.
It can work, once you figure it out.
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@AnythngArt (3302)
• United States
10 Oct 09
You are definitely right. The problem is my ignoring the site while I go write somewhere else. I do have a number of articles there, but I need more, as is apparent. Once I get to the next big cut-off point, I think things will get easier for me. You are correct, however. It's all in how to work the system!
@nishdan01 (3051)
• Singapore
9 Oct 09
You should continue writing. Disappointments tend to happen. Try to overcome all those and think about the achievements made. Not writing will not affect the writing score. I did not write for about two weeks and went on a holiday. It did not make a difference!
@AnythngArt (3302)
• United States
9 Oct 09
You are right. We have a joke at my house, when anyone complains too much we say, "Let's be winners not whiners." It's hard to keep an optimistic view sometimes. Life, and especially writing, is filled with so much aggravation. However, getting into a negative frame of mind doesn't do any good whatsoever!
@wondericequeen (7876)
• Hong Kong
18 Feb 10
I have been away from Helium for at least 1.5 years and I still have 1 writing stars. But my rating stars are gone completely and I just went there, looked like I needed to put in some effort and get the stars back. I think for Helium, you really need to go there from time to time at least to rate articles so that you won't lose your earnings.
@babostwick (2036)
• United States
13 Oct 09
I took time away because I couldn't come up with ideas before and my stars did fall a little bit but not to the point of getting them back up. There are days it does drop in percentage and it can happen. It's really not that easy and you just have to hope to put out quality material. I don't know if you'll lose a writing star if you don't submit but it will come down to articles being rated. That's all I can say on that.
@MsCYPRAH (394)
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12 Oct 09
It seems that Helium has tightened up on its algorithms for giving stars so that if you are not active on the site the rating goes down. And it probably has nothing to do with your ratings from colleagues. That happened to me as a 4 star writer and I actually lost a star which then returned when I was active again.
However, lots of people must have complained because it seems that 4 and 5 star writers won't lose stars so quickly anymore unless they go way down, but everyone else is subject to losing it! I guess that is the way then ensure that you keep writing and rating. :o)
By the way, whatever you write elsewhere, which is not exclusive to them, you can always post on Helium too, unless it is a Marketplace article. Good luck!
@jashoaf (296)
• United States
12 Oct 09
Yes, but I lose rating stars, not writing ones. However I write a lot to empty titles. someone else mentioned that their 1 0f 1"s changed as other articles were written, and I think this is what brought down my writing stars from three to two. I have been back writing at least three articles a week and rating, and the stars are returning.