Are equal opportunity employer and affirmative action mutually exclusive?
By Taskr36
@Taskr36 (13963)
United States
October 13, 2009 1:42pm CST
I've been applying for a lot of jobs in New Jersey lately, and I've noticed this at the bottom of every job listing. It really bugs me because it doesn't make sense. If you are using affirmative action in your hiring, than by definition you are giving weight to a persons race and as such people of the "wrong" race are not going to have the same opportunity as people of the "preferred" race.
Today I even saw a job with the line "women and minorities encouraged to apply". Well why couldn't it just say "All qualified applicants encouraged to apply"? Why did race and gender have to be brought up?
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10 responses
@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
13 Oct 09
You are absolutely right. Either you are a equal opportunity employer or you are an affirmative action employer....they are no where near the same thing.
I think everyone reguardless of race, gender , etc... should all have the same opprotunity at a job. Not special consideration given to anyone.
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@irishidid (8687)
• United States
13 Oct 09
An employer should hire who they believe will do the best job regardless of gender or race.
Another laughable thing is when they tell you you're over qualified.
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
13 Oct 09
Yeah, in the past I've gotten the overqualified line plenty of times. That's when they want you to have experience in a certain environment before you get a good job there, but they won't let you work your way up because you're overqualified for the lower level job. The fact is that saying overqualified doesn't make anyone feel better about not getting a job.
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
14 Oct 09
In defense of the over qualified thing. I learned the hard way that hiring someone who was over qualified for a technician's position at the college wasn't the coup I thought it would be when that person quit a month or two later because a better opportunity came along. Training and orientation takes time. Employers want employees who are going to be around for awhile.
@flowerchilde (12529)
• United States
13 Oct 09
Things work better when you have the more qualified perswons doing the job! For instance if we have a health emergency, do we want the more qualified worker involved or the one the company thought they should hire for political reasons.. No they are not the same at all.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
13 Oct 09
"All are equal, but some are more equal than others"
That is the sort of bigotry that is at the heart of all EO and affirmitive action scams.
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@Destiny007 (5805)
• United States
14 Oct 09
Because white males have an unfair advantage because we are viewed as naturally smarter and better qualified than any other groups.
Therefore they need affirmative action to level the playing field for the unqualified who obviously would not be hired otherwise.
This is just another example of Liberalism in action.
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
13 Oct 09
It's even more blatant down here in south Florida. "Bilingual preferred". Let's see, I'm an American citizen, qualified and experienced with great references but I'd be wasting my time even filling out an application because the only language I speak is English?
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
14 Oct 09
Don't forget Spall, I live in Miami, I know all about that. Here I'm the minority since the city is 52% Hispanic. My wife actually convinced me to lie on my application to the library here and claim I could speak Spanish. I could pass a written test if I had to, but god help me if I ever had to hold a conversation. Thank god they didn't test me when they hired me.
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
14 Oct 09
Last time I checked Florida was still part of the United States of America, Jodi. I'm just sayin....
@JodiLynn (1417)
• United States
14 Oct 09
So what your saying is it's Okay to lie on an application, if you think it may benefit you with a job? or credit?
I too only speak English, but even I know if I was bilingual I would have more opportunities. And if I'm not mistaken, English was NOT the indigenous language in Florida at all...just sayin...
@kunizzul (1066)
• Malaysia
13 Oct 09
Hi taskr,
Yes I agree that some of company have weird policy in choosing new applicants for vacancies and I think if it is about gender or race maybe they have something that they want from that.
You know maybe they think that jobs more suitable for some gender.
If we can look most of the receptionist are women and maybe this scenario has come up the idea that women is more suitable for receptionist than men.
Um, that just my thought only and maybe there are other more relevant reasons for your problems.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
13 Oct 09
I think that some jobs just appeal to certain genders more than others. That doesn't necessarily mean women or men are better, as I can't imagine why gender would make someone a better receptionist, but you just don't get as many male applicants for receptionist jobs as you don't get as many female applicants for a corrections officer job.
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@AngryKittyMSV (4317)
• United States
13 Oct 09
It's crap, that's what it is. You are either qualified to do the job or you aren't, anyone who uses standards outside of that such as race or gender is practicing DISCRIMINATION and violating the stuff about Equal Opportunity IMHO.
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@anna728 (1499)
• United States
13 Oct 09
It's such a sticky sort of situation. I pretty much agree with you, though. I think the most qualified applicant should get the job. I feel like preferring women, minorities, or whatever, is like doing the wrong thing for the right reason. Of course the intenions are good, but it may not be for the best. It's unfair for the qualified people who don't get hired because of race or gender, and I think it's also weird for people who get hired specifically for that. Like, if I felt I was less qualified and only got the job because of a reason like that, I think it would make me uncomfortable. Of course, employers also shouldn't be preferring white men, but I'm not sure affirmative action or similar policies are necessarily the best.