Talking to a young child about skin colour
By liquorice
@liquorice (3887)
November 4, 2009 10:22am CST
My daughter who's nearly 4, often talks about how some colours are pretty (like pink, red and purple), and how other colours are not (she doesn't like brown, black or grey). And today she told me that people with brown skin are not pretty because their skin is brown. That made me really sad, a bit shocked and kind of worried about what she might say to the children in her class with darker skin, or to her teachers.
Her own skin tans quite easily, since the summer it's got darker, and she has also complained recently that she is not pretty because some of her skin is brown.
I gave her a long (probably too long) talk about how people can be pretty no matter what colour their skin is, and that it's not nice to say certain things about people just because of their colour. Like I say, it was quite a long talk and I kept asking her if she understood. She got upset as it sounded as if I was telling her off, and she cried. So not a great response, and I'm not sure that she really got my point anyway. (I also want her to understand that being pretty isn't the most important thing in life anyhow, but maybe I'll leave that for another day..)
What would your response have been to this? What do you think I should do about this, talk to her more or just leave it and let her get over it? My own feeling now is that if I talk too much about it then it might become an actual issue, whereas at the moment it's just an innocent comment. What do you think? I'd appreciate your views.
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@jennysp8 (855)
• United States
5 Nov 09
That's a hard thing to deal with, even though you know that her opinion is something out of innocence....
I would talk with her about it now...in a 4 year old kinda way...only because by the time you realize it's an "issue" she would have already made up her mind about the race thing...Better to address it now before it's too late...
Luckily, I never had that come up with my little girl who will be turning 8 this month. Ever since she was old enough to play with a Barbie Doll, I have always bought her barbie dolls of all colors and she naturally played with them, without thinking a thing about it...she is really good at accepting "colors" of people...
My son on the other hand obviously doesn't play with barbie's (LOL)and he never has had a problem until recently I caught him saying something I didn't like...it wasn't too terrible but bad enough to make me turn it into a lesson so he doesn't grow up into some racist jerk later on...it was right after he came home from his father's house and I am pretty sure that he got it from hearing his dad....I'm alone in this "fight"....I could tell my ex to cut the racist crap - but, he wouldn't change - - - he is more interested in what school district I place my son in according to how well their highschool football team plays versus the education issue itself....GRRR...
Good Luck!
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@owlwings (43910)
• Cambridge, England
5 Nov 09
Momof, I can quite imagine that your boy (perhaps momentarily) felt uncomfortable about being brown. Boys like to be like their dads and he must have been aware that he is not as black-skinned as his dad. Possibly the real reason why he didn't like black people looking at him was that it seemed to him at the time that they were thinking "You are not black like us".
It's hard to know what goes on in a child's mind at times. Sometimes the thoughts and ideas are far too sophisticated for them to even understand, let alone express. I think, too, that many children are aware that some impressions are fleeting and even if they do remember why they thought (and expressed) something a moment ago, they don't feel that way any more, so why should they bother about it further?
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@liquorice (3887)
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10 Nov 09
Thanks jenny. I've talked to her about it twice now, and she's told me that she's not being horrible about the people, just about their skin. (Which makes it ok in her mind..) I'm going to keep an eye on it because I don't want this to develop into anything worse, and I don't want her to upset her friends.
It's great that your daughter plays with barbie dolls of all colours, my daughter's not really into dolls, but she has books with characters of different colours and from different countries. It must be very frustrating for you that your ex is feeding your son with hateful stuff like that. I can see how hard it must be to teach your son about that being wrong. It really is a minefield isn't it?
Thanks for your comment, and good luck to you too.
@momof3040708 (59)
• United States
5 Nov 09
Wow. This had to have shocked you, just like the day a few months ago that my son (then 4, now 5), we were in a waiting room with two different areas. When we went to the part where he could no longer see the people out in the other area, he told me he "didn't want those black people looking at him" !! He said this QUIETLY thank God!
I STILL have no idea what could have possibly caused him to say this. HE is biracial. His dad is very dark, African. They are around just as many dark skinned people as light skinned. I even asked his teacher if anything had happened in preschool that she could think of, she said no, and she was also shocked that he'd said that.
As I recall, I saved my comments for the privacy of our van and then asked him why he'd say that. (No answer) And I said things like that his dad is black, that makes him black...and he informed me that no, he is BROWN....which is true, so literal, LOL
I have not heard any more comments like that from him.
With my daughter, I'm already worried about what she's going to think of her hair, more so than her skin. I just make as many positive comments about it as I can without it being fake--like when I'm washing it, styling it whatever. Specific things I like about it. And I point out kids with her hair type on TV, in books, whatever. She is starting on her own to point out little girls with her hair type and the styles she likes--and she is only 2! (I try to do what she likes myself, and I've taken her for braids a couple times already. I really want her to see that she's got great, fun hair even if it is not probably a couple feet long and straight-straight-straight.)
Skin's a little harder...but some of the same things could work. I've already told mine they are lucky they don't burn in the sun like me. ;) Maybe pointing out people she likes with darker skin, maybe that will help her see it doesn't really matter?? it's a hard one....
@sid556 (30960)
• United States
11 Nov 09
I would let it drop for now. At age 4, I'm sure it was just an innocent comment. Still it is an unusual comment for a 4 yr old. I think I would really find ways to gradually send her the message that looks are not everything and accepting people for what they are and who they are. I'm really thinking that someone must have put that thought in her head. Little kids don't usually form such biased opinions like that. It really sounds as if she maybe heard a comment from an older person. Is there anyone that she spends time with that might be bigoted?
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@sid556 (30960)
• United States
11 Nov 09
Yes I think just letting it drop and settle for now is best. It could be just the camparison with colors that caused her to say this. quite a good imagination. If there is any more to it, I'm sure you will know in due time. Until then , I think you are right in just letting it fade away.
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@liquorice (3887)
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11 Nov 09
Thanks, it's probably good advice about letting it drop for now. I don't want to make a mountain when it's probably just a molehill. And yes, I'd like to teach her about how looks aren't what's important.
I can't think who would have put this thought in her head, and hate to think that anyone she knows would talk about this to her. She's only with me, her family and her friends, who are from all different backgrounds. It just seems that she's taking her views of colour and applying them to people's skin, just like she does to clothes or crayon colours.
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@WebMann (4731)
• Canada
5 Nov 09
Thanks, you reminded of when my son started asking questions about skin colour.
I asked him what colour people are and he said a variety of colours but when I asked him what colour he was he came back with 'skin colour'. I thought that was kind of funny.
As long as you don't go over board about how she feels and never say things nasty about other races she will most likely get over it in a year.
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@liquorice (3887)
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11 Nov 09
That's funny! Kids say the most original things.
I'm hoping that she will be over this soon, thanks for your advice.
@Galena (9110)
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6 Nov 09
at that age, it's just expressing aesthetic likes and dislikes, rather than racism, but it sounds like you dealt with it well.
maybe just say that people like different colours, and some peoples favourite colour is brown, and they find brown skin very pretty.
and that it's okay to think that someone isn't pretty, as long as they are kind to them whether they are pretty or not, because they're still just the same inside.
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@liquorice (3887)
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11 Nov 09
Thanks Galena, I love your answer! That's a very nice way of putting it, and I think that she'd relate to that and understand it. She does seem to be expressing her likes and dislikes over colours, and she was quite shocked that I thought she had said something wrong. I do need to emphasise the bit about being kind to people, as I wouldn't want her to upset anyone.
@anaphy (113)
• Philippines
5 Nov 09
That's really hard.
Honestly, when I was young, I used to think that dark-skinned people are horrible. Yeah, I am dark-skinned and my classmates despise me and I even despise myself.
But of course, that stupid mentality had to go away if I want to have a sane life.
But someday, you have to tell her the correct idea or she will be in trouble.
And which reminds me...
Sadly, here in the Philippines, even if one does not tell his/her child about that bad idea. The media will.
The harsh reality here is, the lighter your skin is, the higher you are in the social ladder. Ironic eh?
@liquorice (3887)
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15 Nov 09
Ah, that's a really sad story that you didn't like your own skin. I'm glad that you stopped thinking like that. Although I suppose when you're growing up it's normal to be unhappy with how you look, and skin colour is just one aspect of that.
It is very unfortunate that the media is so judgemental about skin colour, not just in the Philippines but in many countries of the world. I really wish that someday this will change, maybe they are slowly changing already as people are travelling more, coming in contact with people who are different from themselves and there are a lot more inter-racial relationships - but it's happening much too slowly and there's still much too much colour prejudice around.
Thanks for your answer.
@lichee_china (506)
• China
5 Nov 09
It's mean judge a person by his skin color,I like Kobe because of his skills of basketball,I like Joinson becuase of his music and dance, I like Mandela because of brave,we can cite mandela evperice as a excellent example of overcoming adversity.and they all have darker skin,but I like and respect them very much.Your child just don't know it,just don't like the color,she has no fault as a baby,It's our responsibilty to tell them what's wrong and what's right,there is no fault dislike the color what people have,but judge them by color is wrong.if I were you i must tell her that immediately!
@liquorice (3887)
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11 Nov 09
Thanks for your answer. As far as I can tell she still likes her friends with different colour skin, she just doesn't like the colour of her skin. I know that distinction still doesn't make it sound great though . We've had a few conversations now about how it's not nice to say bad things about peoples' skin colour and her reply was something like "Oh I won't tell them I don't like their colour, I just don't like brown". I don't want to push it too far and make it into something it's not, so I'm just going to watch it carefully for now.
@Shar19 (8231)
• United States
4 Nov 09
At her age it it's normal for her to feel that way. After all, she's learning about different colors and what her likes and dislikes are. You gave her a good talk now just let it be. I'm sure next year she'll think differently. Just remind her that there are people of all different shapes and colors and that everyone is beautiful in their own special way.
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@liquorice (3887)
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8 Nov 09
Thanks for your answer Shar19. Yes, you're right, I know that it's all innocent and she doesn't mean anything bad by it, just don't want anyone to hear her and get the wrong idea.. I like what you said about telling her that everyone is beautiful in their own special way.
@voldrox (7191)
• India
5 Nov 09
hi liquorice
your daughter for so young she is, i guess she has the perspective of looking at things just from the outside, to a child's brain the colours appeal a lot and i am sure as she will grow older she will learn to see things more deeply, who knows she would actually confess to you that how wrong she was thinking like that well i would suggest you don't try to talk too much to her, she probably will not understand much and think you are imposing something on her... a little more time she needs and she will understand it all ...
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@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
5 Nov 09
My daughter did the same kind of thing when she was about the same age as your daughter is. She's been in gymnastics since she was three years old and she had the owner of the gym teaching her class for a time. He was the first black person that she'd ever met and after the class was over and we were in the car, she told me that she didn't like Mr. Ted. I asked her why and she told me it was because he was brown. She'd never met a black person in her life. It isn't because I am racist, one of my best friends from college is an African American woman.
That said, I don't think that she means what she is saying to be hurtful, it is merely because she hasn't been exposed as much. The discussion that you had with her was probably very effective, but you also need to be consistent. Now, my daughter is almost seven years old and some of her closest friends are both African American and Hispanic.
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@liquorice (3887)
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12 Nov 09
Thanks a lot for sharing your experience with your daughter. That was also a very difficult situation. Children just say what they see, and although what they say sometimes sounds ever so wrong, in their mind they are saying what's logical. Your daughter's situation, I guess demonstrates the fact that we fear the things we don't understand, or haven't been exposed to before.
I'm hoping that it will just blow over with my daughter. I will be consistent and try not to blow it out of proportion. It shocked me at first, but I think it was really her being logical and thinking that she can apply her colour preferences to everything, but not understanding that when you're talking about skin colour that's not appropriate. She also has friends of different races, and hopefully that will continue.
@wunderful (55)
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5 Nov 09
My daughter just turned 6 said asian people were bad because they are black. She was very serious and I have no clue where it came from. My partner is middle eastern and some of his family are really dark, tere are asian and black kids- not many- in school, I think that it is the whole black is evil assumption really. I explained about skin pigmentation and the sun, and how she has to wear sunscreen etc, then on another occasion said she wanted darker skin so she didnt always have to wear sunscreen. I think it is them trying to make sense of the world. I think the chat with her is good. Crying is ok she has to learn about hurt feelings, and just monitor her reactions around people. I do try to use tv to point out differences in people, my son asked a man why he had a wheelchair, the man was fantastic, and said so he could beat my son in a race as his legs dont work. Its just something more to add to the stress of being a parent.
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@sarwanever (435)
• India
5 Nov 09
Time will heal everything it has the power to change coal to diamond so please give her time to grow once she is mature she will understand
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@kiuhkj (117)
• China
4 Nov 09
Children think the problem is an intuitive, color is not colorful, right?
I think you can for example, her description. For example, with the same solor she will talk about a very deep and she brings a like. Or her to talk about the United sStates, President Barack Obama, but she is still small, do not know she was out do not understand.
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@liquorice (3887)
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8 Nov 09
Thanks for your answer. Yes, what she's saying is based purely on the colours that she does and doesn't like, and it's all very innocent. Hope she will move on from it soon.