what do you think about this? To me, this is ridiculous!!!!

@Bebs08 (10681)
United States
November 24, 2009 1:58pm CST
I was with my friend's house yesterday when another friend called her asking for advice because she was reported by her husband to the social services due to discipline issue with their youngest child. As what I understand, she spanked her child and the husband was upset about it. He just reported his wife without even telling her. The wife was shocked when the social services called and told her that they will come over to her house for some investigation. For what? he husband reported her of child abuse!! the wife was crying asking for advice from my friend. How can a husband do that to the wife without even confronting her? that is ridiculous!!! husband and wife should agree of what kind of discipline they are going to use.They should help each other. Did you hear of anything like that? this is my first time to hear it.
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@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
27 Nov 09
I have heard of such things but it is usually when the husband and wife are seperated and he's just trying to make things harder on the wife. It's crazy that he's done this. I do think that both should be on the same page when it comes to the discipline of the child. I can't imagine why he would want to bring child welfare in on that situation. I would just invite them right on in and really make the husband feel like a big dummy for doing that.
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@Bebs08 (10681)
• United States
27 Nov 09
That's right, if there is no physical damage in the child? there's nothing to fear.. but if there are marks, it might be harder to explain. I should say, the husband isa plain immature.
• Canada
29 Nov 09
Child abuse isn't just defined as something that leaves marks or causes physical damage. Even just threatening to hit your child constantly is child abuse because it is psychological abuse. It makes the child live under fear and terror. That is also child abuse, as is constantly yelling at your kids. There doesn't have to be physical damage in order to traumatize your children.
@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
29 Nov 09
Your right about that and if there was true abuse then the father should have taken the child out of the home right away versus calling a child welfare agency on his own time. If the child was in danger it would make more sense to me to remove right away. Then call them and explain to them why.
@salonga (27775)
• Philippines
25 Nov 09
If that is the kind of husband that I will have, I will leave him alone in the house and will just opt to live my life alone. I don't need that kind of husband. How can I manage to make love to a husband who can't even support me in child's discipline! I suppose your friend spanked the child because she wants correct the child. It is biblical to spank the child and I am just sad America has forgotten what God himself commanded. The law against spanking children really make me sick. Of course when we spank our children we don't abuse them but rather we want teach them that any wrong things done deserve punishment and correction. Foolishness is bound in the heart of the child but the rod of correction shall take it away from him. What if the rod of correction is being prohibited to be used? What kind of youth are we going to produce? Now if even my own husband can't be supportive of my actions in correcting my child, then I'd rather not live with him anymore. A mother can't ever desire to hurt her very child. It pains us to hurt our children but if we need to, then we should and that is not just to inflict pain on him but for the purpose of correcting his wrong deeds and molding him into a better person. It really makes me mad hearing a husband who is the same as that of your friend's. My goodness, if indeed he finds the spanking too grave, then why can't she just talk to her wife so that they can resolve whatever problem they have! Why will he report his wife and desire that she be investigated and perhaps penalized or jailed? What a stupid husband she got! You know what friend? I hate broken marriages and I simply dislike separation, but really... I can't last a day living with such kind of husband. If I were your friend, I will leave him!
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@Bebs08 (10681)
• United States
25 Nov 09
Relax lang my friend, don't get so high blood.. hahah indeed!! it is so annoying to me too. I don't understand what kind of brain he has.. maybe he is also mentally disturb or maybe he had a bad experience when he was a child too. He is not a Christian I think that is why he doesn't know about Biblical principles of disciplining a child. The painful thing is that this friend is a Filipina and her husband an American. I hate to hear things like this but I don;t know also about the details of what happened but even then, that husband is no good to be with, fro me.
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@salonga (27775)
• Philippines
25 Nov 09
Opps, sorry dear I spotted some typographical errors and wanna make correction such as these "I suppose your friend spanked the child because she wants to correct the child." "Of course when we spank our children we don't abuse them but rather we want to teach them that any wrong things done deserve punishment and correction."
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@salonga (27775)
• Philippines
25 Nov 09
Grrr It really makes me angry you know. At any rate, I should rather relax really not because of high-blood because I've never been hypertensive all my life maybe because of my healthy lifestyle. What I am afraid of is adding lines on my forehead. I hate wrinkles you know, so I should better relax and take this topic easier.Ha!ha!ha!
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@djbtol (5493)
• United States
25 Nov 09
That was a stupid act on his part. Involving social services in the issue is a decision that will certainly be regretted. They do not advise, they move in and take your kids. Discipline of children is one of those things that many parents may not agree about. Marriage 101 - learn how to talk about differences and find a place of compromise that both can live with. djbtol
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@djbtol (5493)
• United States
26 Nov 09
All husbands, and all wives, have things to learn and areas to improve in. That's just the way life is.
@Bebs08 (10681)
• United States
25 Nov 09
That's right!!! discipling the child should be discussed by both parents of what is the limitation that they could do. Husband and wife should be a team. I hate to think about husband who are like this.
• Canada
29 Nov 09
Child services does in fact advise before taking children. They understand that what is best for the child ideally is to be raised by their parents. However...important however here folks...if after several tries it becomes obvious that the parent or parents will keep abusing, then they are taken away.
@SomeCowgirl (32191)
• United States
24 Nov 09
That is just a terrible situation. However, it does make me think that maybe the wife and husband had talked about it several times, otherwise why else would he call so abruptly without even mentioning it to his wife? Unless he wasn't clear headed and thought it'd be best to call on her, I don't know. It's sad but I hope it gets resolved, to me it seems like that is the worst thing you can do to anyone unless you have to as a last resort! Especially to a wife, or if it was the wife who had done it, to the husband. This is the stuff that divorces are made of, sadly enough. It wouldn't surprise me if least of all they had a huge falling out. It's definitely something that the father should have thought about before calling Social Services. Spanking is bad, and shouldn't be done, but I think it'd impact the children far more if their mommy was suddenly not allowed to see them, or their daddy left them!
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@Bebs08 (10681)
• United States
25 Nov 09
I don't know about the details of why the husband reported her to the social services, as what I heard, she spank the kid. You might be right that she did it many times and the husband had enough of it.. but not to the extent of reporting her without letting her know? that is such ridiculous!!! how can a husband do that to his wife? I don;t understand.. but to me it is not proper.
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• Canada
29 Nov 09
Why don't you ask how a mother could do that to her children. If the wife showed a repeated patter of abusing her children, and the husband kept warning her and she didn't change, then he may have been left no choice other than to call the authorities. He had to think of the welfare of the children. Have you considered what effect all this abuse is having on the children? Long-term effects. You don't seem to be putting too much emphasis on that.
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@SomeCowgirl (32191)
• United States
29 Nov 09
I am sure the abuse on the children is not healthy for them at all, but it still doesn't answer the question as to why he called. With so much going on in this world, the husband could have called just for the heck of it, and the wife could have done nothing wrong. To be truthful, we don't know what the husband was thinking or the wife was doing, we don't know how the children act or just who needs help in that house. It's all heresy unless we know the children and parents for sure.
@cream97 (29087)
• United States
24 Nov 09
I wonder what really happened here. I want to know if she really hit her child as hard? I also wonder if she has ever abused her child. The husband could at least let her know that she was going to call DSS on her. This is a messed up situation! I did not hear anything like that. I do know that men will threaten you with the smalles thing. I hope that she will get to tell her side of the story and I hope that after she explains herself that she is innocent.
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@cream97 (29087)
• United States
25 Nov 09
I thought to myself that this woman did not hit her child as hard either. The husband just is plain old mean and dirty! I wish that I was there to see how it all happened. It probably was nothing. The husband just made a big deal out of nothing. I wonder how the wife feels about him after all of this garbage? I wonder will she leave him..
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@Bebs08 (10681)
• United States
25 Nov 09
am not sure what the wife should do after this. I pity on her because I can hear her crying over the phone while talking to my friend.
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@Bebs08 (10681)
• United States
25 Nov 09
I ask my friend whom she called for help and she said it is nothing so serious. The child is alright. I figured it is just a little blow just to let the kid understand her mistake but I don;t know if this is the first time or many times already. But to me? this is too much for a husband to do that.
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• Philippines
25 Nov 09
Wow that is not a good sign of a healthy relationship... It seems to me that they don't talk and as if their lines are not open... I agree wit you, what the husband just did was not a good action... If he disagree with how his wife disciplining their child, I think he should have talk to her first and discuss things out... They are couples and they should help each other. They should not pull each other's down. I don't understand why the husband did that without talking to his wife first...
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@Bebs08 (10681)
• United States
25 Nov 09
As what I know, they both have an issue in disciplining their child. I don't think the child was in bad shape after the spanking. am not sure if there are marks but even then, they have to discuss it first before making any decision.
• Philippines
25 Nov 09
Well it depends on the spank... But I am sure the mother did not spanked her child using anything hard... or spank the child very abusively even with her own hand only... There is just really something wrong with their relationship... Those things should be talked first... If this keeps on happening it only lead them to bad situations...
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25 Nov 09
Simply ridiculous, that wasn't right of him. It would be a whole different thing if she was really abusing the child, but a spanking really isn't abuse. The husband should of talked to her about it first!
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@checapricorn (16061)
• United States
24 Nov 09
I never heard same story as this...I would blame the husband for this, he should talk to his wife and resolve whatever issues they have in terms of disciplining their kids.. Such a selfish act I would say, I mean now the wife has a record already where in fact her goal their is only to discipline the kids which is not bad as a parent!
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@Bebs08 (10681)
• United States
25 Nov 09
Correct!!! the husband should tell his wife about it and maybe they have to resolve the issue before deciding things like that. I have no updates yet about the situation but to me? it is not right.
• Canada
29 Nov 09
Incorrect!! The idea that child abuse is a proper for of discipline is twisted. The goal is to bring your children up to understand the difference between right and wrong. Not just do something out of fear of physical or psychological abuse. Someone who hits their children is not a good parent and is in need of professional help.
@kezabelle (2974)
24 Nov 09
I have to say there must either be some serious underlying issues between them OR she really did go over the top when she disciplined her child! Without being there at the time its hard to know but no matter what I think he must surely have some concerns to report his own wife!!!
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@Bebs08 (10681)
• United States
25 Nov 09
It might be that there are some underlying causes but this is too much for a husband to do that. Why not talk about it first before doing so. He can inform her, or tell tell her about it before doing so. It is just hurting to the wife knowing that the husband was the one doing it? she received a call from social services for investigation? I don't know but it is just ridiculous!!!
• Canada
29 Nov 09
You keep focusing on how hurt the wife is, and completely ignore the hurt that the children have to suffer through. It has been well established that a person who hits their children finds it difficult to stop unless they get help. Not only is what the husband did good for the children, but in the long-run it is good for the wife. Anyone who would hit a child clearly needs help, and what the husband did is the first step in getting it.
• United States
25 Nov 09
There must be more problems under the surface, parents don't do that unless they are trying to get back at one another.
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@Bebs08 (10681)
• United States
25 Nov 09
It might be so. The shocking thing is that.. the wife has no clue about her husband's plan. I'm just wondering if the husband think of the after effect of this before deciding such thing?
• Canada
29 Nov 09
I agree that there are time parents just do that to get back at one another. But that is not always so. You can't just assume that that is the underlying reason. There are many times when a parent, husband or wife, simply can't stop the cycle of abuse. There are times when one of the parents has to put the well being of the children ahead of the other parent or themselves.
• Philippines
25 Nov 09
Well, I never heard a husband reported his wife to authorities for spanking neither a wife reported her husband for that matter. I often heard neighbors report to authorities for some child abuse of another neighbor but the case is too much. what I mean is the child is really in serious condition. But for a husband to report to authorities because his wife discipline the kids? that is too much.. That is too much i would say good bye to him...
@Bebs08 (10681)
• United States
25 Nov 09
This is the first time I heard it.. and I don;t like that idea. I don;t appreciate a husband doing that to his wife. If it is other people. I might agree but a wife? that is too much.
• Canada
29 Nov 09
Actually I have heard of this quite often. It's very common and in most cases it is a good thing. If the kids are being abused, physically or psychologically, they need someone to intervene. If a husband or wife has to choose between the welfare of the adult or that of the child, that of the child should get priority. Adults have the skills and resources to go it on their own, children do not.
@missybear (11391)
• United States
25 Nov 09
Boy, if they not divorced now they sure will be soon.
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@Bebs08 (10681)
• United States
25 Nov 09
I hope not because this is her second husband. she divorced the first one because he was violent as what she said. Now this second husband I don;t know. But according to her, he is good... but now that this thing happened.. am not sure what is the next.
• Canada
29 Nov 09
Let me get this straight. She divorced her first husband because he was too violent, and so I have to assume she is opposed to violence, and then turns around and commits violence on her children. She is then upset that her new husband, who unlike her first is clearly opposed to violence, reports her. She is really messed up. She needs help. Professional help. What her husband did may be the best thing as far as getting her on the road to recovery.
• United States
27 Nov 09
I have worked for the state as a foster mother, and have had more than fifty foster children over my adult lifetime, and have adopted three of them. I think it was terrible for this father to do this unless the mother had really and truly hurt the child. If you could ever look into the terror filled eyes of a child who has been removed from their home by Child Protective Services and placed into a foster home with strangers, you would never consider calling and reporting someone without true, life threatening cause. Many people, because of what I do, will ask me 'Don't you think I should call and report them?' They think I will agree. But I tell them I would rather see a child get a too rough spanking by their parents than taken away, because the trauma of being removed from their home will be many times worse than being over spanked. I'm not talking about real beating where the child is left black and blue all over and the parents do this all the time. But people should not think of punishing the parents when they think of doing this, they should think of what it's going to do to the child if CPS decides to remove them while they investigate.
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@Bebs08 (10681)
• United States
27 Nov 09
Maybe the husband did not really think of the after effect of what he did. I don't believe that the child was black and blue because of the spanking.. I figured it is just a normal discipline a parent would do to correct the child.It might be that the husband warned the wife not to spank but the wife could not hold her temper. If ever the husband just do this to give lesson to her wife, this is too much.. what would be the after effect in this to their relationship? can they still trust each other as husband and wife? This will create anger and bitterness in the part of the wife.
@lindiebiz (1006)
• Canada
25 Nov 09
This is the first time I am hearing this and it is really ridiculous. The husband is a very terrible person for him to have done that and if I were the wife, I would consider leaving him because it is too bad. She has face the SS and explain her actions and hope nothing bad happens to her.
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@Bebs08 (10681)
• United States
25 Nov 09
If I am this wife? am not sure if I can still live with that kind of husband. Maybe there will be more things that will happen in the future more terrible than this.
• Canada
29 Nov 09
More terrible than this? You mean like a mother hitting her kids? I can't believe that the two of you are making the father sound like the villain for protecting the kids. Yet, the mother hits her kids and its "oh poor her", what a monster of a husband she has. The monster here is the person who would actually hit a child. What a coward she is.
@happy2512 (1266)
• Philippines
25 Nov 09
Maybe the wife has gone to far in disciplining the child & that made the husband feel so bad about it & that's the reason why he reported to the social service. She must face the consequences of the fault she made for child abuse is a very heavy ground.
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@Bebs08 (10681)
• United States
25 Nov 09
ell, if that happens that the wife has gone too far, the husband also should remind her or he should tell her about his plan? He doesn't say about reporting to social services, t he wife was just shocked to receive a call of investigation.
• Canada
29 Nov 09
What is the point of telling the wife that he is going to report her if in fact things have gone too far? If it has gone too far, the he needs to report her. If she abuses the children regularly, then she is a criminal (child abuse is against the law). Let her know about it? Sure why not. Do let her know about it, and then still report her, just as long as you don't let her talk her way out of it to you. Things such as "I won't do it again", or "I regret it, I'll change". People who abuse their children don't just change like that. They need professional help and lots of counseling. That begins by contacting the authorities.
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
27 Nov 09
bebs some women do abuse their children and they do not look like monsters either.they lose their temper and just hit or spank way too hard, and more women than men are guilty of this; i really do not even like spanking.it rarely does that much good and causes a lot of hate for the parents when the kids outgrow the whoppings. He just might have seen her go too far and tried to stop her and she just freaked out instead. you do not really know but her supposed side of it. most people do not go to children's protective services unless they feel they have a reason to go there. Maybe he had tried to get with her on a discipline plan and she just took the easy way if that was how she was punished as a kid. i would stay out of a husband and wife dispute if it were me.
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@Bebs08 (10681)
• United States
27 Nov 09
I think we should get away with it, I know.. but to think about such situation? I could not believe a husband would pull down his wife to the lowest level. Why not talk to her and discuss about it before going further? that is too much, reporting to the Protective services without prior discussion?
@Opal26 (17679)
• United States
25 Nov 09
Hey Bebs! That is a very serious offense to be charged with child abuse! There must be more going on between the husband and the wife for him to make that kind of a call to social services! In some states they can take the child from the home! There must be some other problems in their marriage for him to acuse his wife of something that serious! You don't just make a call to social services without carefully considering what you are doing! And it had to be more to it then just her spanking a child! And why wouldn't he discuss this with her instead of bringing a goverment agency into it where they both could end up having their child taken away from them? This father is not too smart!
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@Bebs08 (10681)
• United States
26 Nov 09
That's what I am thinking. The husband did not put it on his head what will be the end result of his action. He might lost his child and maybe his wife as an effect of this action.
@cynthiann (18602)
• Jamaica
25 Nov 09
I think that I would want to know what is meant by spanking. Sometimes a sharp slap on the thigh or on the back of he hand with a young child would stop them in their tracks. But I am talking about a just a sharp slap not enough to leave marks or a bruised or anything. Myself and my husband both agreed never to discipline our children by spanking them - and we never did because both of us were abused in this manner. But I sometimes wished to have given just one slap! I am being honest but I never did it. They had to sit on a chair in a room by themselves for a period until they calmed down. All of these things should be discussed wit parents between themselves. Personally, I think that there is a lot going on in this marriage that you did not know and the husband in reacting to this spanking may have been reacting to many other hidden things. Problems within his marriage in his relationship to his wife etc. This is the only reason why I can think that he would have called Social services. There is something else going on. It sounds like this marriage is almost over. This is just my opinion because otherwise, he could have warned her first about spanking and spoke of calling in the Social Services.
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@Bebs08 (10681)
• United States
26 Nov 09
You may right in your opinion. I would think also that there might be something going on, aside from this. Am curious to know about what happen after the SS talked to her. I might know this next week after thanksgiving.. hehehe
• United States
25 Nov 09
Wow that is pretty crazy. They must have had some other issues, he must have been angry with her for some other reason, because people just don't do that. It must have been some sort of revenge, or like someone else said, he must have said something to her about the spanking several times with no response for him to call social services. I think that is pretty goofy. But, if she truly did nothing wrong, social services will see that and everything will be fine. But I surely think that your friend and her husband need some counselling!!
@Bebs08 (10681)
• United States
26 Nov 09
I think you are right!! they need some counseling. I would also think that culture differences has affected their situations.
@wlee9696 (595)
• United States
25 Nov 09
I find it odd that the husband would just report her. I would not consider that a life partner. They must present a united front with consistent agreed upon punishment methods. However, it seems the problem isn't the method but that the husband has such disregard for his spouse that he would call social services on her. I would be looking for a divorce lawyer.
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@Bebs08 (10681)
• United States
26 Nov 09
That was also the reaction of my friend, when this lady called, my friend said a comment against the husband of why he did such thing? they suppose to help each other in disciplining their kid not siding or anything... they should be a team..
@rookie24 (80)
• Philippines
25 Nov 09
that is just plain ridiculous!!!you said your friend is just giving her child some discipline right?i mean spanking a child once is not that harsh,sometimes you have to give them the iron hand.however,beating a child black and blue is another case,if you know what i mean.to the husband,i think he's just too emotional about it that time to see his kid being hurt so at some point i understand him but what he did is unfair to the wife.how old is the kid by the way?well,if it's too young to be spanked,i think i can sympathize with the husband more than the wife.
@Bebs08 (10681)
• United States
26 Nov 09
I don't think she did beat the child. What i heard is just a spank and what part of the body? I'm not sure either. The kid is I think 2-3 years old. It might be that the wife don't listen when the husband reminded her about spanking but even then? reporting to authorities is too much for a husband to do that to his wife.