This is wheelchair accessible?
By estherlou
@estherlou (5015)
United States
January 31, 2010 11:39pm CST
Like most people, I've never paid much attention to wheelchair ramps at restaurants. I never thought twice about using the handicap stall in a public restroom if it was available. I remember noticing people parking in handicap parking places and walking into stores without any visible handicap and wondering how they got their permit. I CAN say, I never parked illegally in a handicap parking spot.
Since I've started using a wheelchair for family outings, I've noticed there is a wide variance in the compliance of "wheelchair/handicap accessible". Many public restrooms are extremely difficult to navigate. Many stalls are slightly too narrow for a wheelchair to actually fit into the stall. I've had to park my wheelchair in the doorway of the stall, struggle up to the toilet while my daughter stood as lookout, and used the facilities without the privacy of a closed door. Some have a handicap bar on one side, but I had to hold onto my daughter on the other side to keep from using the toilet seat to steady myself. Some hallways or entrances to restrooms are actually too narrow to navigate without hitting walls or bumping door jams. I even had to use the restroom in a doctor's office building that had no handicap bars or a door wide enough for a wheelchair to fit inside. I had to leave my chair in the hallway and once again, use my daughter standing in the door for a little privacy.
I recently went to the Big Texan Steak House for my husbands' birthday dinner. I came in my wheelchair and the hostess put us in the middle of a long table. Since the restaurant was only about half full, we didn't worry about it at first. Before we had even ordered, they seated a group of people at one end of our table. I mentioned to my family, "If they try to seat people at our other end, I'll be trapped here in the middle without a way to get out". Sure enough, we had two separate hostesses bring couples and begin to seat them at the other end of our table. We stopped them saying, "I'm in a wheelchair. If you seat people there, you will trap me in here without a way to get out." They looked at me blankly, as if I were causing trouble, apologized to their group and took them elsewhere in the half-empty restaurant. I was amazed at their inattention and was nervous and uncomfortable the entire time we were there.
We have learned to call ahead and ask about accessibility, or go for a 'drive-by' and scope out a place before trying it out. One place we knew was very small, in an older building. We were told they would help us any way they could to get my wheelchair over the door sill and into the restaurant. We passed. Another place told us the restaurant was wheelchair accessible, but not the bathrooms. We went somewhere else. One restaurant we went to, had the non-smoking area down 3 steps in a lower level. As a result, we had to sit in the smoking section. We will not go back again.
I remember saying once, "A woman NEVER would have designed this kitchen!" By the same token, I think they forgot to get someone who was actually handicapped to try out the public restrooms when they designed them. This has made me think more often of a friend of mine at church. She is a paraplegic, has an electric wheelchair, and a van with the lift ramp and everything. I've admired her for her dexterity. There HAVE been advancements made in recent years. It is just too bad that most places still make me "feel" handicapped.
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12 responses
@GardenGerty (160677)
• United States
1 Feb 10
Friend it has been ages since we have seen you. Why are you in a wheel chair? I have noticed often, while working with the handicapped, that handicap slots are not in safe places. I had to try to help someone to a bathroom at a State Fair Grandstand that the door opened INWARD, blocking the toilet.We had to let her hang on the top of the door and the bathroom attendant assisted me in assisting her. I think the attendant ( an older lady) gave someone an earful. The next year the door was rehinged to open out.
@estherlou (5015)
• United States
1 Feb 10
Last year was a tough one. I had a bad case of cellulitis in my right leg which did not respond to antibiotics and I spent 4 days in the hospital. I was diagnosed with lymphedea, went through 3 months of lymphedema massage therapy which meant wearing a soft cast and going 3 times a week for therapy and re-wraps. The bandages were so bulky and unweildy, I couldn't drive myself and could barely walk. After that, I was put in compression panty hose. Anyway, I finally went to a bone and joint specialist for x-rays. I have really large bone spurs in my knees which have locked my knees in a bent position...I can't straighten my legs out...and I need 2 entire knee replacements. The constant pain was what was bothering me the most, so I tried a cortizone shot in my worst knee. What a difference that has made! In comparison, I am practically pain free and not popping extra strength tylenol or ibuprofen all day long. Anyway...all of this has reduced my walking to the length of my garage. Anything else, we use a wheelchair.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
1 Feb 10
hi I think among the general public there are two things they do notwant to think about, being elderly and or being handicapped so they turn away from putting the handicapped places in place until they are forced to do so, and pretend they are never going to get old. lol . it is not at all funny. the law mandated that handicapped people be able to go into public places in their wheelchairs and not have to be inconvenienced like you have been this is just deplorable to me, I have been places where my own minor handicapped, my left leg in a heavy brace made it almost impossible to get seated at this Red Robin restaurant as most of the seats were elevated and I just could not climb up onto that platform so she , the waitress finally found me a place that was level so I could just walk into like anyone else. lol.she acted like I had really put her out, and yet it only took a minute of her time.
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@Thoroughrob (11742)
• United States
1 Feb 10
We find it very hard to take my son places. Most big stores are ok, but you cannot take him to the little dollar stores without almost tearing the stores apart. You go to a restaurant, and one of us will go in and scope out the seating to see if we can get him through. As for bathrooms, we try not to take him on real long trips and put pull ups on him, because there is just no way that we can get him in most of the public bathrooms. I have to say that when we go to Menards, the have built a special handicap bathroom, that is big enough for his chair and we can take him in, and use their facilities. It is a single bathroom and you can go in and assist. Other than that, you just don't find them. No one realizes until they are in that situation. It is not fun.
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@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
1 Feb 10
Yes I have noticed alot of stall just arent big enough.
Mostly here I see that most places do have room for wheel chairs but then this is Vegas.
I was told I could get that handicap thing for my window since my heart attack but as long as I can walk aways will not do it.
AS I dont look handycapped.
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@Shaun72 (15959)
• Palatka, Florida
1 Feb 10
I know this feeling since I got diagnosed with Multiple Sclrosis and I started needed to use bathrooms and walways. I have a time getting into places or bathrooms with my cain or my walker. I never noticed it before or thought about it untill I became handicaped.
@ShepherdSpy (8544)
• Omagh, Northern Ireland
1 Feb 10
I'm working in a 19th Century Old house that was converted into an Hotel in the 1960's.It's not a very wheelchair user friendly building,but it does have elevator access to disabled toilets and the rooms,as well as ramp access to the car park.I often wonder about the eligibility of cars parked in the disabled parking bays right by the ramp without disabled badging on them...would the disabled Person have an able bodied spouse or friend to drive them around? As an employee,I'd like to be able to check this out,to make sure the closer access to the building wasn't being taken advantage of by an able bodied person,but I don't have that authority.
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@youdontsay (3497)
• United States
2 Feb 10
Not all disabilities are that obvious, I'm afraid. I can usually manage to walk from the disabled parking space into the store to use their wheelchair or electric cart. But I can't do much more walking than that except on especially good days.
I know that I get frustrated when people without the handicap tag use those spots. And it is really frustrating when people leave their empty cart in the parking space where I'm supposed to park my car. Grrrrr.
@youdontsay (3497)
• United States
2 Feb 10
Me too! I'm grateful that I can still manage to stand and walk into the toilet stalls from my wheelchair. But because I am so big it can be a challenge to use the small stalls. I can make it onto the toilet seat, but with the toilet paper on one wall and the sanitary pad receptacle on the other there sure isn't any room for me to push myself up again.
And the aisles in the stores are frustrating. They put the supporting columns in the middle of the aisles and product displays in the aisles. I've thought about offering my services to try out the store's set-up for them to be sure it is accessible to those of us in wheelchairs.
And, of course, the grocery stores put the lower priced items and many of the products that we are more likely to use on the top shelves. Even though I use the electric carts I still have to get up and down to reach those items on the top.
Grocery shopping exhausts me because getting up and down is such a chore. And sometimes I can't get the electric cart through an aisle because they have a product display in the middle. Thankfully I have someone who shops with me most of the time and can come to my rescue.
It is all very discouraging, however.
I'm grateful that our state is smoke-free in public places. I do not like having to go through smokers outside the doors, however. They are supposed to be a certain number of feet away from the door. But when the weather is bad they tend not to abide by that.
My daughter lives in Toronto and she says there is no interest there in making things accessible. I can't use the public transit there and many of the stores have steps into them, restaurants too. Since she is disabled too she knows where we can and can't go.
I've learned a lot about people since I've had to use the wheelchair.
@BarBaraPrz (47314)
• St. Catharines, Ontario
1 Feb 10
About "noticing people parking in handicap parking places and walking into stores without any visible handicap and wondering how they got their permit" my friend has a handicap parking pass, and when she still had her van, would often walk the short distance into the store unaided. But once inside, she would always get a shopping cart for support, even if she didn't buy anything. It was easier than lugging her walker up and down the house stairs and in and out of the van. And at the mall, she could get a curtesy walker or wheelchair for the duration.
@maximax8 (31046)
• United Kingdom
1 Feb 10
My toddler son has spina bifida and hydrocephalus. He is almost three years old and he is unable to walk. He has weak legs and one of his legs is longer than his other leg. He needs help to stand in a pair of gaiters or he requires a standing frame. I have a seven month old baby daughter. Therefore until she learns to walk I use a Phil and Ted's buggy with a double seat. People may comments about my son like 'he is lazy'. They ask why he can't walk. Public transport like trains and buses can be a nightmare. He now has a disabled parking permit and I am learning to drive. He needs catheter care and is getting too big for public restroom baby mats. I know what you mean about wheelchair accessible. Good luck my friend.
@Thoroughrob (11742)
• United States
1 Feb 10
You are lucky at this point that you can still pick him and take care of him. It is a hassle. I feel for you. I would rather they ask why my son cannot walk, then to stare at him or stick their nose in the air. We get alot of that. My son is 15, he is not little, we are running into the problem of, we have womens bathrooms and mens. If we can get him in, which do we use that will not offend people? My son has a wheelchair that does lay back and we have changed him in it, but it is very hard to do, but if we can find bathrooms for him to use, he can go with help getting there. It is getting very hard to take him very many places.
@writersedge (22563)
• United States
2 Feb 10
I'm not sure where you live, but if it is in the USA, try to find an Independent Living Center near you. See if they have an accessable list or an accesibility list of places for people in walkers, wheelchairs, etc. If not, maybe you and others at the ILC could try creating one. Where I live, it's the law, any place built after a certain date must have accessible facilities. Places that are accessible, they should get more business and you can help make sure others don't experience the problems you do. The ILCs were created by people with disabilities. They have many missions. One is to make places more accessible for people with disabilities and to educate people without disabilities or with different abilites. If there is no ILC where you live, maybe you could see about starting one.
@Marie5656 (336)
• United States
1 Feb 10
I can sort of say been there, done that. A couple of years back, before I had hip surgery I went to Disney World with some friends. I rented a scooter for the duration of the trip. Luckily, I was able to get out and sit at tables in restaurants there, but did run into many rude people. One time I was leaving a store, and some people just cut infront of me to get around me and out ahead of me. When I said something the guy just waved me off as if I was not there.
I am walking again, but for the past 5 years have worked as an assistant to a lady who uses a chair. I drive her, and go to her work and appointments with her. She needs full assistance in the bathroom. If you think some handicapped stalls har hard to maneuver alone, try with two people there. It is darn near impossible some times. I am very grateful foor the "family" restrooms...which make it much easier when we are out, and I need to go in with her to the bathroom,
@kaylachan (69772)
• Daytona Beach, Florida
1 Feb 10
I too am in a wheelchair and I find it a little difficult to live in this world. With the creation of the ADA (Americains with disibilities Act) you would think the world would make more of an effort to comply, but they don't. Where I live is a prime example of that.
The office is in no way accessable for the hanycapped. The only thing I see that's handycapped related is one support bar on the end of the wall in the second stall. That's not enough. The way the "stall is designed is two toilits, with one door, and one wall seperating the two tolits with one support bar on the far wall. This is not enough.
When I'm out in public, quite often I can't get into places because they aren't accessable, or accessable enough. It makes me sick to think how they treat people. I've got it difficult enough, and its next to impossible to do much of anything. I even know some places without support bars. that's why I try not to use public places as much as possible.
Normally I don't complain about being a cripple, but god. I'm a cripple damn it.