its not what you know but who you know
By markodoom
@markodoom (243)
United States
February 11, 2010 7:50pm CST
Have any of you heard this old saying? My grandparents used to say it a lot and my parents repeat it as do I. Basically the premise is that in life, especially in work, you get your break not through your knowledge or ability but through your network of people. This certainly rings true in my life. I can track my entire career of moving from one position to another purely through my connections. But I would go one stage further and say 'It's now what you know or who you know but who knows what you know'. Does that make sense or is it too cryptic?
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12 responses
@bamikalipal (588)
• Philippines
12 Feb 10
Hi markodoom,
Sometimes it can be so frustrating when people judge you on the basis of who you know. It seems that you really have to know someone to make hiring speedier, easier and more convenient. But that is the way it is.
When I graduated from college, I had to report 7 times to the same interviewer. I said to myself, this will be the last time and I'm done. After the 7th interview, she decided to make me fill out and sign a work contract with the Director of the work place. After I filled out the form, the director started asking questions:
Q: How are you related to Dr......?
A: Dr.X is my father.
Q: Why did you not tell Miss L (the interviewer) about it?
A: Why would I, the question was never asked.
Director's reply: Your Dad and I were very close friends, we used to work together, with Miss L as one of our nurses.
This made me think that had I told Miss L about it, she would not have given me a hard time. But I wasn't sorry that I didn't because I wanted to be hired on the basis of my merits. My grades were outstanding and I knew that I deserved to be hired.
I got married before I finished college, went back to school and finished school with a different last name. With my graduation delayed because of an early marriage, I knew that my parents were not happy about it.
Call it pride or whatever, but that was the way I wanted it.
But, you're absolutely right, let's take this one stage further, "it's who you know who knows what you know."
Have a wonderful day, markodoom.
@markodoom (243)
• United States
12 Feb 10
What a great story and a very interesting spin on this whole fact of life. I think you have to be respected for making your own way and on your merits. However you do have to be careful and examine your motivations (as you do here when you ask whether this is motivated by pride). It's always important to do both in my opinion.
@markodoom (243)
• United States
12 Feb 10
I have to say that two things I really love and honour in life:
1. Self realization
2. Understanding the importance of our parents .. at ANY time in our life
Good for you bamikalipal
@bamikalipal (588)
• Philippines
12 Feb 10
Thanks for opening my eyes to the practical truth. It's time to get down my high horse. Yes, it was pride because my parents were upset about my decision to get married before I finished school, I wanted to prove to them that I could make it on my own especially after havig been called the "black sheep," in the family. And you know what, my parents were right, I was too young to make that decision, I must admit. Now, that I am at the sunset of my life, I know better, although sometimes my foolish pride still overrides my better judgment.
Have a nice day markodoom and thanks a mil again.
@neelianoscet (9615)
• Philippines
12 Feb 10
That is very true and in my place, nepotism is very rampant all the friends and relatives of those politician are the one who occupy most of the highest position in offices. So the saying is very true even those who are not smart and intelligent get hired as long as they have good recommendation from influential person. i could see a graduate from reputable university and they hold a lower position compare to those with backer they enjoy a good position in a company and it is true it is whom you know that matter in my place and not what you know but it is also a good things to be ready to know something than nothing at all..
@markodoom (243)
• United States
12 Feb 10
So again neelianoscet, nepotism is the negative aspect of this life truth. It is an unfortunate spin-off. To my thinking though it IS important to forge relationships with key people in your career. It's important to really try to identify the people that can help shape your destiny or certainly have a key influence on your destiny and then to work on your relationship with those people. It's just common sense and it's AT LEAST as important as having knowledge and skills (but should not be MORE important). I think it's irresponsible to neglect either of the two aspects - growing the skills and knowledge AND growing the key relationships. Does that make sense?
@markodoom (243)
• United States
12 Feb 10
Right people, right time is right and as somebody pointed out earlier: Right place too.
@MrKennedy (1978)
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12 Feb 10
I for one have heard this phrase on the odd occasion, and believe that it is one of the most truthful for many aspects of life.
Think about it, if you have good connections who are "high up" and important, then you're bound to go further than somebody who doesn't have such connections.
@markodoom (243)
• United States
12 Feb 10
Yes - it is very logical of course. I will assure you though that it doesn't always play out.
@p3ks626 (6538)
• Philippines
12 Feb 10
I agree with this too. Honestly speaking, I had my first job because of some connections I have. Though I was qualified for the job, I also found out that employers usually hire people whom they know. Sometimes I just feel bad for others who dont have connections because its really not easy for them to get a job. I just hope that if we become bosses of our own companies in the future, we would not exercise this kind of practice. As long as we know that a person we know is qualified then there's no reason to hesitate.
@markodoom (243)
• United States
12 Feb 10
I don't think we should hesitate to hire the people with the right skills for the job. However, I do believe that if you already KNOW that person, it's very much in your interest to hire them because it redices the risk and uncertainty you have to face when hiring. Having been a hiring manager I can assure you it is a big responsibility to hire the right people into your company and there are many people out there who will not be completely honest about their skills and experience. So for this reason above all else I believe employers tend to go with who they know.
@miki0328 (23)
• China
12 Feb 10
Yep~I agree with u.Sometimes I feel weak when its full of ability but lack of net of people.
Theres an old saying in Chinese,‘at right time, near right place, with right people'.
It also means ability only does not work. So we should prepare for the thing all the time,then when opportunity comes we can grasp it.
@goldeneagle (6745)
• United States
12 Feb 10
I believe this is true for the most part. It is a lot easier to get a break, especially when you are trying to find work, if you know someone in the organization. Whether you are trying to get a job with this company, or whether you are a product/service provider who is trying to get this company to use the items you offer (whatever they may be), it is MUCH easier to get them to take a serious look at you as a prospective employee, or to take a serious look at the product or service you provide if you have a friend in the company.
@markodoom (243)
• United States
12 Feb 10
I agree wholeheartedly.
It goes beyond getting jobs as you say.
In my experience in customer service it was very important to establish a strong rapport with my clients in order to achieve success for both them and my company.
The same applied in my career in sales.
Very valid point.
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
12 Feb 10
hi markodoom yes its fairly true as the best jobs my son ever had were obtained from friends through networking so wish he would go back to
that as he had been out of work for so long. and it was as you said'theyknew what my son did know, and went out of their way to find
the right people to send him to, and it did work too.
@markodoom (243)
• United States
12 Feb 10
Hi again Hatley
Well you know I can really relate as you know the other particulars about my situation. It really is important to have a network and to take care and keep up with your friends. However what I have found is that in times of special difficulty when everybody is having to look over their shoulder and worry about their jobs and the economy is stalling, it;s a lot tougher for everybody. If you're then stuck for a sustained period 'out of water', it gets harder and harder to stay moticated and keep working all those relationships and that begins a vicious spiral you must fight to avoid. You know I was starting a more determined and concerted effort to find work. Top of my list of actions in that pursuit is to reach out to my friends regularly and make sure I keep up with them. I believe that's vitally important.
I hope things pick up for your son and for you Hatley. You have my full support.
@markodoom (243)
• United States
12 Feb 10
yes that is an important way to look at it
here's another quote along the same lines: No man is an island
@markodoom (243)
• United States
12 Feb 10
Exactly! If you know a person who has all the skills you're seeking, you don't have to look too far do you? Also if you have personally experienced their work and it is satisfactory and you trust it, you don't have to take a chance on somebody you don't know and hope you can trust them, do you?
@ksmita (513)
• India
12 Feb 10
yes its true. your sucess totally depends on whom you know and hoew they can help you in moving futher.. i was constantly told i'am good in my work but after six years i found myself in the same position and my juniors took over just because they were good in their networking skills...
@markodoom (243)
• United States
12 Feb 10
Yes and that is the more negative side of this idiom. It seems true and unfair that many people work hard and demonstrate skills but because they choose not to (or don't have the skill to) get involved in politicking, they lose out. Fair to say.
@13tyates (1606)
• United States
12 Feb 10
I believe this is very true to an extint. If you are around the right people then you will always be doing the right thing! If you have connections like you said it can get you very far in life! That also goes along with friebds! If you do not have friends then you do not have a life truely. I do not know a single person that works to work, you have to have other things in your life!
@markodoom (243)
• United States
12 Feb 10
Well working for the sake of working - now there's an altogether different subject.
I personally have always put my self into my work very heavily because I've always been lucky enough to have great jobs that I love for the most part. I know that very few people feel this way.