Debate or Fight

Thank you for your response I feel so much better to hear someone nice thanks

The thing here is that these few people (same people all the time) are not there to debate, they are there to tell me I am wrong, stupid, infantile and decieved. They dont want proof because when I give it to them they say mine is wrong but they read a different book and that book is the truth, like for instance he said if archaelogy proves that something is true then he would believe it and I should check out these types of proofs and when I quoted some he quickly pointed out that I cant believe what I read. Another of these people said that the bible was written by uneducated people (that person was simply stating his opinion which was okay with me) then I pointed out that this was not true and the person gave me reasons why he disagreed, however this other person came on to tell me how stupid I was because he thought that what ever I read was wrong, because of some history book he read.

The thing is I was never given the chance to accept what he believe Ausgc21 because he didnt even answer the question, he came right on and said that I was an infant which was his first remark, then his second remark was that I was a cheerleader for Christ through blindness, then he said I was a bible thumping fanatic, and a few other things. If he disagreed with anything that I said he could have lead me to read something but that was not the case. Even though I backed up everything I said, even though I tried to get his answer, even after I offered him to give me proof, he was not trying to do that. When that did not work, he told me that he read a history book (that he couldnt give the name to) that said I was wrong. After I pointed out Archaelogical findings and the such he said I cant believe what I read. So I was confused, if the reason I was wrong was something he read, then he could have shared it with me so that I could see the error in my ways, but that was not what he did instead I instantly became stupid. However, your statements were insightful and I do know what you mean, but I can accept if I am wrong, if you tell me where you read it so that I can read it further or check out the validity of your statements, I have no problem, but if you call me stupid and fail to back up your statements I think something is wrong with that.

Yeah, I understand your point, but you are also saying that 'what he is saying is wrong' as well. How would you know what he read was wrong, and what you read is right? Whatever books or proofs we find, it all has a possibility of being wrong to some extent as they were written by us humans, not by a god, and this on-going argument must take this fact into consideration. It seems to me that you are BOTH standing on the same ground - whatever book I read is correct, and whatever book he/she read is wrong. Just because they believe in science, or whatever it is he/she is believing, it doesn't mean that it's always right. And similarly, just because you believe in god, it doesn't mean you are the god. No one human knows the real truth about ANYTHING, only god does. Reason why I am making such an obvious statement is because you both seem to only accept what you want to believe. To me, anything you, he/she, or I believe has a good possibility of being wrong no matter how much you believe in it. This argument will never end until one of you accept another to some extent, and as you are not him/her, you are the only person who can do this. Although, if you refuse to do so, then I think there will not be an end to this debate (fight?), until either one of you get bored of this endless comments and questions that are going to go no where. You would never be accepted unless you accept them.

The thing about the statements in the bible that say those things is that what is not true for some may be entirely true for others. Here it is, in the day when the bible was written the witches may have been evil and worship the devil, while the bible is inspired by God, it is written by men. The thing people fail to realize is that the goal of the men and women who wrote the bible was to bear witness, which means they were supposed to tell their story as they saw it. Therefore for them it is true. Another thing is I have never heard that gay or lesbian peoples are child molesters but realistically the people sometimes have a jail house mentality about gay people. Let me explain, I had never known anyone who was gay throughout my life, ever. I heard that there were a couple of gay people living on my street sometime after I turned 20. I was told then ( in the military) that gays werent allowed in the military, and I still had never experienced them. The girl who finally told me about them said they had to be gay because they spent time in jail and probably went there because they were molesters. Now I am not stupid enough to believe everything anyone said and I later learned that while they were gay, they were hard working people who loved and cared for other people. (and while both did go to jail it was for stupid things they did as young people and both paid the price, neither became gay in Jail) therefore I never believe everything I read or hear for that matter. Blacks have never been uneducated or filthy, they were considered as such in an effort to keep them in submission. I know that to be true because I have never been stupid nor has any of the people who I know. However in my topic where I got these remarks was one where I told everyone to question everything. And to choose the bible only after careful study. Then this person went on to say I was in my infantcy in learning the bible, however after telling them what I have done in my search for information, I was then told that I was a cheerleader (or some such thing for Christ) because I clearly did not read about other peoples religions or stands on Christianity, and after I said that I did read about others religions, talked to satanists, wiccans, read up on all kinds of things. They then said that I did not know what I was talking about because I could not believe what I read, but they told me the reason they knew I was wrong was because they read something different. I told them I had archaelogical proofs and was told that my proof was a lie but they read about history and the past and theirs was true and could not even give examples. My problem is does that mean I cant possibly know what I am talking about because I read it, but I am to believe I should listen to them because they read better stuff than I did.

The point I was making was that not ALL that can be read about is true or accurate...back in the day there was all sorts of lit floating about that CLAIMED gays are child molesters, blacks are nothing more than filthy animals and Witches and Witchcraft are of the devil and to this day SOME ppl STILL believe it because either they or someone in their family line read about it in books, papers, etc and believed it to be true.. As for this person you described....its not worth it to even waste time thinking bout it ya know...There is no point..He/she obviously is incapable of opening their mind, not to change their views but simply to accept the thoughts, opinions etc of others...Its sad really. I would just stop replying to said person because every time you reply you are engaging them and it'll never end...Stop replying and if this person continues to harrass you simply report them.

Thank you ever so much for the advise, you are absolutely correct if I dont reply I dont have to play the game.

Thank you very much for the best response.

Thank you ever so much I think that is the most honest answer I have recieved in all the time I have been here. It is good to notice what you dont know and to be willing to hear what others have to say. I always think it is good to know what I dont know and admit to it and ask questions. Once i have answers though I research so that I have a better understanding. I really think you are miraculous for learning and I hope you keep being one of the people who does check out my discussions.

Makro I am impressed with your answer thank you. I am not accusing you of following me though. The reason for accusing some of the readers of my posts is not because I think well meaning debaters are following me, but that some are only coming to start a fight. I love to hear peoples opinion and I answer everyone until it becomes beligerent and they start calling me stupid or childish. Please dont feel like that means everyone I really enjoy your answer and I have no problem with anyone saying they disagree, my problem is those who disagree with no basis and when I prove my answer they are quick to say I dont know what I am talking about or that I am an infant or stupid or any number of things that I wouldnt call a person.

As far as religion is concerned, this is always going to be contentious, but people should not shy away from debating, but avoid fighting. Each and every believer should not be scared or in anyway offended by the beliefs of another, each debater needs to be open and all-hearing as to why the other believes. It often take time, but in order to get a playing field, we need to place our players on the pitch, but be cordial. For example, a debate of Trinity, would require somebody of that belief to openly discuss that beleif so that the belief can be analysed to understand the theory. Religion is not meant to be fundamental or complicated. It is man and his over-working mind which makes this topic over-complex, and an inability to sit and go through the basics.

Most of mine are biblical, with regular life added in, well those are really for advice, but I find great topics, and I invite everyone when I have a debate, for the most part people are pretty awesome and we have a great time, and others I get a few people who make the conversation a fight.

Thank you for that wake up call I appreciate it.

I agree with you 100%

I allowed myself to get angry, which is something I almost never do. But I have learned that I dont have to do that I will simply stay away from those people. Thank you for your information.

Thank you ever so much. This was a great statement

I know what you mean.

I so look forward to it, start a discussion and send me a message to join it and lets debate.

The point that I made in my debate was that no one should believe the Bible through blind faith, it should be because of careful and thoughtful study, but instead I was said to be an infant and other things. I think that is just bad. The point of a debate is to learn what my brother or sister believe, to take the time to study what they are saying and to find good reasons why this is true or not true. Here is the thing, some people believe that one thing may be right, like when I was a Muslim I believed that God's Word was brought by Muhammed, however after carefully studying this I am convinced (for me) that this is clearly not the case. I do not however believe that he did not exist or that he was not a powerful leader I just had trouble with purposely teaching fear to a world and telling them that it was nothing you could really do to go to Heaven, nor could I believe that a person like Muhammed would not have been able to come up with all of this stuff and that his family members changed what he said happened so that it sounded better because he could not read. This is my opinion, but I came to it after researching the situation. Coming to Christianity was a hard road for me because I did not originally believe, however after years of being a sceptic I decided to research it, if for no other reason but to prove smart Christians wrong. I wanted to be able to use facts to make my argument and I wanted to be right, but I kept proving them right over and over, this is where my change came in. I did not depend on blind faith. The other thing is that people have their own perception of things, by debate I get additional things to research and I can explain it better to people who are Christians who have similar questions or need more information on a concept that I was faced with in debate.