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@AngryKittyMSV (4317)
United States
June 8, 2010 7:13am CST
If you walk up to somebody and punch them in the face and that person in turn beats the snot out of you and you end up in the hospital, the person who YOU attacked has NOTHING to apologize for, you have nobody to blame but yourself. See below for how this philosophy applies to foreign affairs.
Somebody actually said to me that they think Helen Thomas said those awful things she said (about how Jews shod go back to Germany & Poland - when the reason they left those places was because they were being put into concentration camps and getting killed in gas chambers) because she's part Lebanese and was upset over what Israel did in Lebanon a few years ago (when Israel defended itself against Hezbollah TERRORISTS). She went on to say that Israel had over-reacted. Here is my rebuttal:
I believe, in life and in international affairs, that you should not throw the first punch, meaning you don't go on the attack unprovoked, but I also believe in ANNIHILATING anyone who tries to hurt you, utterly decimating them to the point where it will be a very long time (if ever) that they would even think of hurting you again.
I believe if you are going to get into a fight, then fight to WIN, and don't let up until the job is FINISHED. The only mistake Israel made with Lebanon is that they were too easy on them. It's the same mistake the US has made time and time again around the world. Ever wonder why there have been no further attacks from the Japanese? Hiroshima & Nagasaki.
We have nothing to apologize for and neither does Israel, except for maybe using too much restraint. Both countries have the capabilities to completely destroy their enemies, they should use it and not apologize for a damned thing. This is SURVIVAL we're talking about.
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@Rollo1 (16679)
• Boston, Massachusetts
8 Jun 10
The public concept of "Palestine" is erroneous to begin with, as if there had ever been a country called Palestine with only Arab residents and Israel just came in and threw them out. The truth is that for hundreds of years, both Arabs and Jews lived in an area commonly referred to as Palestine and everyone and anyone living there, Jew or Arab, was referred to as a Palestinian. Why would not Jews have the same right to live in Palestine as anyone else now?
When you are a small nation surrounded by other countries who don't recognize your right to exist, you've got to be a bit pro-active in dealing with your neighbors. From the moment Israel came to exist as a nation, there have been those who have sought her destruction.
Does anyone truly believe that if the other nations in the Middle East decided to accept the borders of Israel and there were no enemies trying to destroy Israel, that Israel would unilaterally attack these other countries and seek to take them over?
Helen Thomas was described by LBJ as being a combination of acupuncture and journalism. She's never hidden her viewpoint, it's always been evident, but this time she slipped up and said it in plain English. Why anyone is surprised is beyond me, but I am glad to see the last of her.
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@Rollo1 (16679)
• Boston, Massachusetts
8 Jun 10
Palestine isn't a country, never was. Secondly, if Israel had not taken pre-emptive steps in 1967, there would not be an Israel today. Yes, the Gaza strip is captured land, but it would not be the conflict it is today if Egypt had not thrown out the UN peacekeepers, started a blockade and amassed troops and tanks on the border ready to attack Israel. Ther would have been no 6 Day War and Gaza would not be in possession of Israel. Israel faced a large number of Arab states that were all in together to destroy the state of Israel. They did what they had to do.
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@mysticmaggie (2498)
• United States
9 Jun 10
Israel moved thousands of their people from Gaza Strip and gave it to the Palestinians who promptly elected Hamas to power. Hamas immediately began bombing Israel and the world thought that was fine, but got really ticked when Israel decided to shoot back.
I think Israel has every right to defend herself and her people by whatever means is necessary. No matter what they do to make things better, it is never enough.
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@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
8 Jun 10
I have never believed in the concept of proportional response. the object is to give someone as much incentive as possible to NOT do something like that again. the idea is to make them realize it is a very very bad idea to ever try it again. YOu can be sure if you walk up to me and hit me I will in all likelihood cripple you in any way I can, especially if you are much larger than I am. I fight to win, period.
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
8 Jun 10
"Proportional response" it precisely what draws out wars far longer than they would naturally go. A war can literally last forever if both opponents strike equally.
Think on the small scale. Did Mike Tyson even focus on "proportional responses"? Of course not. His focus was to deliver a punch so horrendous that a trained experienced fighter, with a clear plan of attack, could no longer think clearly enough to do more than put his hands in front of his face praying the bell would ring so he could regroup before he crumpled to the ground. That fight with Peter McNeely probably would have lasted longer than a minute and a half if proportional response was the plan.
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@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
8 Jun 10
I always thought the phrase "proportional response" was stupid when it comes to defending yourself or a country.
I agreee with what you said...if someone comes after you...you want to teach them that it is a very bad idea to mess with you because if they do...you will mess them up. If not...they will just do it again.
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@whiteheather39 (24403)
• United States
8 Jun 10
Helen Thomas ... who knew a butt ugly exterior could harbor and hide a vicious hideous soul? As the 7th child of Lebanese immigrants who claim to be Christians however the religion of Lebanon stand at 59.7% are Muslims (Sunni, Shia, Druze, Sufi and Alawites) and 39.0% are Christians (mostly Maronites, Greek Orthodox, Armenian Apostolic, Melkite Greek Catholics, Assyrian Church of the East, Syriac Orthodox, Chaldean Catholic) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Lebanon
That old racist (Lebanese) Arab woman Helen Thomas’ ethnic cleansing view reflects the ‘conflict of the middle east’ Arab racism & Islamic bigotry that is.
The basic attitudes of the intolerant Goliath Arab Muslims world is that: ‘You Jews are “outsiders” here in the middle east!’ The Arabs who are now called Palestinians who’s parents or grandparents came over from Arab land and occupy the Jews’ original homeland? they’re OK, they’re “home.”
Because the entire middle east is ‘Arab Muslim land’ all other non-Arab non-Muslim minorities are “outsiders” especially the Jews, Why? Because they’re neither Arab nor Muslim…
I guess, that Palestinian crimes against humanity like torturing fellow “rivals,” honor killing epidemic and oppressing Christians are OK with liberals’ values.
http://lightonthings.blogspot.com/2010/06/arab-racist-helen-thomas-reflects-real.html
I think that Helen Thomas allowed her Islamic heritage and anti semitic views to surface.
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@whiteheather39 (24403)
• United States
9 Jun 10
I am not being mean but that comment was really funny!
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@Destiny007 (5805)
• United States
8 Jun 10
Absolutely... and Israel is fighting for it's survival against people who are committed to Israel's destruction.
As to that flotilla the other day, Israel should have sunk every one of those ships.
Israel owes no apologies, and neither does America, with the exception of apologizing for voting in that anti-American fraud calling himself 0bama.
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@Opal26 (17679)
• United States
8 Jun 10
Hey Kitty! I totally agree with every single word you said! I
could stop right here, but being as I also have a big mouth
and am very angry about what this stupid beotch moron old witch
has said I can't! Her comment went beyond stupidity! I don't
care if she is OLD! She knew what she was saying and didn't
give a phuck! Being of Jewish decent I personally would have
liked to punch her myself! I have a close friend whose mother
and grandmother barely made it out of the Concentration Camps
in Nazi Germany all those years ago. They cut off his grandmother's
finger to get her wedding band! WTF? They saw the atrosities of
their friends and other family members being sent to the gas
chambers! I have absolutely NO remorse for this woman and wish
there was more that could be done to punish her for what
she said! They are making her retire! She is a phucking old
witch! To me that is not a punishment at all! How could she
dare utter words of hate and stupidity! Send her over to where
the fighting is! Sh1t, send her to the front lines! Sorry,
if I've over ranted your discussion Kitty, I meant no disrespect
to you personally because I loves you, Opal
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@RobtheRock (2433)
• United States
8 Jun 10
I agree 100% with you. Countries invade Israel and when Israel wins, they have the option to keep the territory. So it angers me that Isreal gives land back they don't have to give and Israel haters argue that the country is bad. I keep watching my DVD Battlestar Galactica. The Battlestar government wants to seek peace at any cost with the Cylons who have vowed to destroy them. That's what I see in Israel. Hamas and other groups have never proposed Isreal's right to exist, yet people continue to talk about Isreal giving up this and that -- and are bad if they don't.
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
8 Jun 10
I agree with your what will most likely be an unpopular opinion. I believe that showing weakness will be our down fall. Showing restraint is what is giving Israel so much trouble. If I were in charge there I would disregard the UN completely and fight for my home.
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@6precious102 (4043)
• United States
9 Jun 10
When you consider what Israel has gone through from other people and countries throughout their existence you can't blame them for taking whatever action they deem necessary to protect themselves, any country would; but it seems some people don't think Israel has a right to takes those protective steps. Helen Thomas is just one in a world of people who will always blame Israel. Those anti-Israel people need to learn that God promised that He'd bless those who blessed Israel and would curse those who cursed them.
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@bestboy19 (5478)
• United States
10 Jun 10
Over-reacted? Israel has exercised remarkable restraint in dealing with enemies they did not choose to have. Since they became a nation in 1948, they have had to defend themselves against their Arab neighbors. Would the United States put up with what Israel has put up with for 62 years? When you consider the size of Israel and what the land was before the Jews started returning to it and the size of the Arab countries and what their lands have, you have to wonder why the Arab nations are so determined to remove the Jews from the land. I wish the interviewer had asked Helen Thomas, "If the land is so important to the Palestinians, why, in all the years they've lived there, they've never made any effort to build a nation?" Too many past Israeli leaders have listened to the world and the cry of "land for peace" and tried to bring peace to the area by giving up land. No matter what they've done, though, peace has never come, because that isn't what the Arabs want. I hope the Israeli leaders of today and the future will realize that and stop concerning themselves with the opinions of others.
Have you ever wondered how much sooner wars would end and how many fewer lives would be lost if countries with military might weren't shamed into or forced to cherry pick their targets in battle?
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@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
8 Jun 10
As the old saying goes...."don't start none..there won't be none".
As others have said this can be broken down to a school yard fight. If the bully starts the fight...the other guy can kick his butt.
My parents always told me not to start a fight...but if I could not walk away from one to kick the persons butt.
If someone hits you..are you going to hit them once? Or are you going to kick their butt to the point where he can't get up and hit you again? It is called self defense.
I agree. If another country starts a fight (or attacks) another country..then that country has ever right to defend themselves and kick the other countrys butt. And not just kick it but make sure the other country will not start a fight with them again.
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@TLChimes (4822)
• United States
8 Jun 10
If you smack someone why would you be surprised when they want to hit you back? Take the politics and religion out of the question and put it in the school yard.... we tell our kids not to start things, try to be peaceful, but to defend themselves if necessary. Why would it be any different on a bigger level?
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• United States
9 Jun 10
While I agree with you up to a point AngryKittyMSV, this is an imperfect world, populated by imperfect people, so it wouldn't really work out so well.
In a perfect world, it would work out that if nations only fought back when attacked, well... none would attack at all, there would be no fighting.
But people are greedy, they will fight for possesions; people are overconfident, they will start fights they only think they can win; people are violent, they will fight with little or no provocation at all.
I think this is the way it must be though, fighting is the most extreme form of competition and without competition we would stagnate as a race. We would have no reason to do anything more than eat and sleep...
