Why force others to believe what you believe?
By silvercoin
@silvercoin (2101)
Lithuania
July 28, 2010 1:14pm CST
I've noticed this not only here, but in other online communities.There's nothing wrong about loving your religion(no matter what religion it is), but why some people force others to believe what they believe?Like join my religion because mine is better!Oh, you don't want to?Then you'll go to Hell!
What right does one have to do that?
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34 responses
@parrot2010 (812)
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29 Jul 10
You;re right, some people can be so annoying the way they try to convert you and convince you their their religion is the correct one. I don't mind people believing in things but brainwashing others is morally wrong. Children are especially at risk because they can believe pretty much anything. That's when I just flip out lol.
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@headhunter525 (3548)
• India
1 Aug 10
True. Sometimes because children's mind are already filled with something, so other party campaign so that children will have 'empty' mind and then they can fill the children's mind with their own thing. But human mind, young or old, cannot really have an empty mind! Can we?
@silvercoin (2101)
• Lithuania
30 Jul 10
Yes, children are the most vulnerable when it comes to brainwashing.
@taiwanlife (745)
• Philippines
28 Jul 10
Because some religions say that they are the only way to salvation or however you want to call it.People become so fanatic that they forget the differences in beliefs and interpretation. I have never really seen a successful debate amongst my circle on religion coz each one has his or her ultimate truth in what he or she believes in and this has a very intimate meaning to each one.Isn't it that when you have something very much connected to you in anyway or another then that becomes very valuable to you to the point that you feel the need for others to see and believe why and how important that is to you,no matter how unessential it is to them.
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@silvercoin (2101)
• Lithuania
28 Jul 10
I doubt if a successful discussion on religion is possible, because as you said it's a very intimate thing.And the most intimate things should be shared only with...oneself.When things like this become public business, conflicts arise.Sometimes wars.
@6precious102 (4043)
• United States
29 Jul 10
Of course no mere mortal has the power to send anyone to hell. What some of us are trying to do when we present our argument for our particular faith is to warn people that rejection leads to a separation from God and to be separated from God means going to hell.
If you were drowning and someone threw you a lifeline and you refused to grab hold of it and that person who threw the lifeline said to you, "You're going to die if you don't grab hold," would you think that person was trying to force their belief on you? When a Christian tells you that you're a sinner (the drowning person) and says you need to accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior (the lifeline) and you refuse to accept Him, when that Christian tells you that you'll go to hell for rejecting Him this is a word of warning, not condemnation.
Some people warn you about going to hell because they don't want that to happen to you. Others tell you you're going to hell hoping it will happen. It all boils down to what's in that person's heart.
@6precious102 (4043)
• United States
31 Jul 10
alex: If it was just telling a person they're going to hell and there was no love behind the warning, I might agree with you; but by explaining what the Bible teaches regarding what one must do to obtain eternal life, you are throwing that dying person a lifeline. Look the word "irregardless" up in your dictionary.
silvercoin: Warning a person that their soul and spirit are in danger of hell is not an act of hate. Not warning and letting that person die and go to hell is an act of hate. Christians are God's representatives on earth. As such, we have a duty to teach others what God's word says, including warning them what will happen if they reject Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. I have no doubt that there are happy people in all walks of life and in different religions, just like in the days of Noah before the flood came. However, just like in the days of Noah, not everyone is saved, only those who are right with God. Years ago I heard a man of God say, "For the believer, their only experience of hell is on earth; and for the nonbeliever, their only experience of heaven is on earth." I trust you understand what that man of God was saying.
@silvercoin (2101)
• Lithuania
30 Jul 10
According to this, half of world's population is separated from God.But its not like that.Once we're talking with a priest about happy families.He showed me some travel photos where he stayed with nice and friendly families.They all were from different religions.They achieved the same thing together going different ways.He wanted to proof me that there's no difference between happy Christians,Muslims,Hindus, Buddhists.Those families had a strong bond of love.Like Chaplin in Great Dictator said:"Only the unloved hate".And where there's no Love, there's no God.
@alex01soriano (39)
• Philippines
29 Jul 10
i think that is two different scenarios that you gave. It does not in my opinion gave similarity as it is two totally different scenario.
If you see a drowning man, you're reaction is to help in any way you can. And that's a reflexion on anybody who sees a person who is in danger irregardless of who you are or who the drowning man is.
Now if you say you're going to hell because you are not a christian then that is a totally different story.
You can't tell anybody that you're a sinners and you can't be in heaven as long as you're not a christian.
@1hopefulman (45120)
• Canada
29 Jul 10
How did a religion become a religion in the first place? Wasn't it because someone shared his beliefs with other people? Jesus talked to many people and shared his message. Other religious leaders have done the same.
I agree with that there is nothing wrong about a person believing in a certain religion or in sharing his beliefs with others. The problem is when one person tries to force his beliefs on others.
Why not try to attract other to our religion by telling them about it and letting them decide what they want to do.
And please, let us let God handle the judging!
@1hopefulman (45120)
• Canada
30 Jul 10
I know! But God does give people freedom of choice but funny that people that claim to serve Him don't.
Example sunshine. It's there but it's up to us whether we want to enjoy the sunshine or not.
@nina_khan (749)
• Pakistan
1 Aug 10
Every Prophet.
even it was Jesus or Mohammad ever one brought religion with love.
i dont know about other religions but the 4 religions which our Quran shows were brought by prophets in good lovely manners and they were for peaceful manner.
i think if one comes to your home and kills your mom,dad and ever one and leaves you,you are going to get crazy and kill every single person of him/her.
and i think that has happened to most of the religions. People might be wrong. religion it self is never wrong
@silvercoin (2101)
• Lithuania
30 Jul 10
Again, it's what you believe and it doesn't mean it is an universal true.I never state that my truth is universal, and I don't warn people about things I'm not personally aware of.
@silvercoin (2101)
• Lithuania
1 Aug 10
You're talking about physical world.I'm talking about spiritual world.In spiritual world 2+2 can be 5.Or 6, or even 10 if you wish.Why are you mentioning my country - have you had problems with immigrants from here or what?Relax.I'm not a virus, I'm not attacking you, I leave you your truth for you.Peace.
@andy77e (5156)
• United States
30 Jul 10
Truth is not subjective. It is either universally true, or it's a lie.
Dusk is at 9:10 PM here in Columbus Ohio USA. You can't say 'not in my world', because your world is my world, and dusk is still at 9:10 PM here in columbus ohio, USA, regardless of what 'truth' you claim to have. It is universally true, or it's a lie.
For example the laws of aerodynamics, the basis of which planes fly. You can't say the laws of aerodynamics are different in Lithuania than the rest of the world.
Well that might be true in the US, but we here in Lithuania have a different version of truth.
So a plane built in the US will instantly crash when entering Lithuanian air space? You build a plane based on your 'truth' and show us how it flies?
Again, something is either universally true, or it's not. You can't just make up your own 'truth' and say "5 + 4 = 10, and you can't tell me otherwise because it's my truth!"
Similarly, in a world with many different belief systems, they can't all be right. Well I believe there is a big explosion. Well I believe a group of people made it. Well I believe one single all powerful being made it. Well I believe ... blaw blaw blaw.
Those are mutually exclusive beliefs. They can't all be right, anymore than you can believe that 5 + 4 = either 5, 6, 3, 10, or 9. They can't all be right.
@artizan (195)
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28 Jul 10
What a good question to ask.,
and you have got two excellent responses from Jaiho2009, and Chaits 86... that really cant be added to..
I think that it is not the teachings in the religions that are at fault., but the nature of human beings to "have their way" to be proven right etc
I think religion would be just fine if their where no people in it... LOL
but no one has the right to impose,force,or threaten bad things(curse) others if they do not see things the same way as you do., in any topic, but definately in religious beliefs, and the sort answer,I don't think any one has the right to tell you you will go to hell, firstly if they understood their religion , they surely would know that ., that., decision is not up to them !!!
best wishes
x
@silvercoin (2101)
• Lithuania
28 Jul 10
It's not, but people love playing God.They pretend knowing what is wrong and what is right, and what one deserves and what other does not.
Oh, we need more light and more wisdom in our little world!
I agree with your comments and thanks - you did part of my job!
@jaiho2009 (39141)
• Philippines
29 Jul 10
@ artizan,
Thanks for your appreciation.
I stand firm with my religion,as i haven't seen any bad teachings being taught to us.
We are always taught to live our lives as if it is the last day of our life.
Living each day as if there is no tomorrow,by doing good things (at least never do anything wrong/bad to others).
Helping other people as long as we can.
Not to live with hatred but to love even those who offended us.
If GOD forgive our sins,who are we not to give forgiveness to those who offended us.
I know it is not easy to be good always esp if we are surrounded by evil things,but the thought of life eternal in God's dwelling place give us the strength to endure the suffering that won't last long.
have a good day always
@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
29 Jul 10
It doesn't anger me anymore . I just pity the person. If they are christian , then the " Go to hell" statement will hurt them more than I. I am not a Christian so I don't believe in the hell they are talking about. And it Really makes no sense to say it to a Atheist! They don't believe in any G-d or heave or hell! I pity those who believe they Must convert Everyone to their religion. I believe there are many paths to G-d. Jesus, Allah or the Superior Being for a reason. Not All people are the same. The path maybe different. The name we call Whomever is Certainly different and what He/She expects from us differs largely but we get there. Call it Heaven, Nirvana, Whatever. And as for those who chose not to follow any path, they are not less of a person or soul. And I don't believe they automatically are punished. Religion is a choice. People have the right Not to chosse Any religion.
There are ways to discuss your religion and help teach your point of view Without demeans another's view. I have discusse religion with friends of other's religion abd we have found common ground and we have not only respected but celebrated the differences.But to force another to follow your path not only is is disrescpectful but a waste of time. Does a person come to a religion Only out of fear Truly belong? Will their heart Truly be open? I don't think so.
@silvercoin (2101)
• Lithuania
30 Jul 10
This fear of unknown comes from the Middle Ages.If you don't belong to a particular group, they start suspecting you.Oh, he doesn't go to Church, is he an atheist?Oh, I saw him near the Synagogue, is he Jew?He wears only black, is he a satanist?It's funny how people want you to be someone they know or imagine that they know.
And forcing you to be like them.Oh, it's so uneducated.
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@headhunter525 (3548)
• India
28 Jul 10
"Join my religion because mine is better" is not, I think, a force upon others. Force is like "join my religion or am gonna shoot you or cut you to pieces etc". Personally, I have not heard anyone say join my religion or you'll go to Hell. If Muslim or Christian share about their belief like that that's a pathetic way of sharing their faith.
@headhunter525 (3548)
• India
29 Jul 10
I agree that to say join my religion because mine's is better is like marketing. And this is not bad in itself. I think it's okay to market, so to speak, religious ideas like we market other scientific or philosophical or economic ideas. Join my religion or I'll kill is definitely a threat, which is not at all right. We should condemn such forceful attempt to convert people. Join my religion or you'll go to Hell is little more complex. I guess none does that. But one may say it's like saying solve this mathematical sum right or you'll get zero. So the "threat" you'll get zero is not really a threat, but a logical outworking of the premise. I think the key thing here is whether that particular religion is right or wrong. If what that religion says is right then it's not mental manipulation, but it's the truth. But if that religion is false, then it amounts to mental manipulation.
@silvercoin (2101)
• Lithuania
28 Jul 10
Join my religion because mine's better is marketing.Join my religion or you'll go to hell is mental manipulation.Join my religion or I'll kill you is threat.And all these things have nothing to do with real belief.
@Pose123 (21635)
• Canada
29 Jul 10
Hi silvercoin, I have met some wonderful people who felt that they had found the truth and just wanted to tell others about it. The problem is that they forget that what's right for them is not necessarily right for everyone. Many feel that their way is the only way and that they have an obligation to tell others about it. Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses especially go from door to door in an attempt to reach others and this is often upsetting to other people. They are however, no different from other fundamentalist Christians who also claim they they alone are right. The greatest problem I see is the indoctrination of children instead of having them wait until they are adults and making decisions for themselves. Blessings.
@silvercoin (2101)
• Lithuania
30 Jul 10
They're so stubborn, I know them.I had conversation in my house with a very nice young couple, they sat for an hour on my sofa staring in my eyes and reading their books.I thought they wanted to stay there forever.
A child isn't capable to choose.My suggestion would be to teach good first and then start talking about religion.And always answer to the most uncomfortable questions of the child.
@jaiho2009 (39141)
• Philippines
28 Jul 10
Religion is the most debated issue of all time,more hotter than the hottest celebrity in town.
It is becoz,each individual is fighting for what they believed is right according to their faith and beliefs.
Religion can make a person a better or a bad one,it is not the person's (individual)fault,it is the leader's,what the leaders of their religion taught them to become...a better or a bad one.
And,even if they are doing wrong yet claiming they are the right religion.
I don't force other people to believe in my faith and belief.
I let my acts and deeds do the talking,and leave them their choices.
For as long as i am doing all the good teachings that i've learn from my religion and never fight nor hurt anyone (what more with killing).
I am already showing other people what kind of GOD i am worshiping of.
A God of love and mercy and i let God manifests on me.
@artizan (195)
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28 Jul 10
beautifully and thoughtfully put., and the point of having faith., to live your life as the teachings.. thankyou for your comment it has warmed my day
best wishes
x
@silvercoin (2101)
• Lithuania
28 Jul 10
If only every believer was as tolerant as you.Some people find it difficult to be firm in their belief and to remain tolerant.
@artizan (195)
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29 Jul 10
again the crux of the matter standing firm., in faith of what you believe is what makes a person secure not how many converts., sharing your beliefs within appropriate discussions and like minds who are willing to listen, to understand the similarities and respect the differences., this is why the waves of conversions done on mass are great talking point but raely do the vast numbers remain., through lack of teachings and the confidence to stand in what you believe, not out of stubborness butout of faith..
i am glad to have been involved in this enlightened discussion, the gentle ness of it fills me with hope that all may achieve this one day
many thanks again
xxx
@nina_khan (749)
• Pakistan
1 Aug 10
IF love each other no one is going to force some one what is wrong and what is right
the most important thing is when you like some one you accept every thing. even his/her religion and many many more things.
you dont see faults in it and you are almost blind when you compare it with others.
i dont know about others but when i see and like people near me i dont see any thing in their religion or any thing what they look like i see what they are made of?
i have lots of friends round the world and i see no difference in them and i count every one the same.
but some in the world as on page few told you that they are insecure.
but the explanation which they gave is wrong because preaching your things is called marketing and there is nothing wrong in it.
if you market your religion people will come to know what is better and what is worse in it.
as some of them said Islam and etc etc are insecure religions based on insecure people then i think 10% of community of the world is not mad so that they are accepting such religions every year. i think those people are feeling insecure those who talk like this because they are not sure enough how to defend their religion. infect most of them have no time for religion. they have that religion because their parents had that.
they dont know what is written in their books and what their holy prophets have told them to do.
i feel sorry for such people because they say what they are worried of and blame others for that.
i can surely tell those people that actually you are insecure of your own selves and unsure about your religions.
because there is a need of religion on earth. Like we need a doctor to get heal we need a lawyer to debate we need a Prophet to follow to live a live in the world.
i am sorry because i know i might have hurt you with what i said but i will say what i think is right.
and yes,i have seen some people in my life too those who will say your religion is better and i want to join and when they will see you are not there they will say.. what a rubbish they must be killed. they are ugly people. they say we need a change and after some time they say they are better to live like that.. i have seen such people too.. they are called back biters
@silvercoin (2101)
• Lithuania
1 Aug 10
No, I don't feel hurt, I can even say that you're explained yourself in a way I can call diplomatic, some fellows here said things which looked kinda hard and I know what's hiding behind these lines.They're very sure they're the right ones.The conclusion and my great wish is that those who are the most tolerant and the most loving will win this fight.Amen.
@qianyun6 (2067)
• China
29 Jul 10
I think there are many reasons. Some devout believers may think it's their duty to make more persons enlightened in their gods halo; Some religious workers can get benefits from more believers; etc. All these makes them can't tolerate there are some peoples don't believe them at all. You should have heard of Crusades and Inquistions. Those are these guys' relatively extreme expression.
@smallsaozhou (827)
• China
29 Jul 10
Can't these ridiculous lunatic fringes be more brilliant more? This behaviour only makes others dislike their religion more,it is pointless to do it in my opinion.
@silvercoin (2101)
• Lithuania
30 Jul 10
If one converts because of fear or money, sooner or later she or he will be reconverted by someone even more powerful.
@ashleylinea (20)
• United States
28 Jul 10
In Christianity we believe we need to share out faith with others. It's our duty as Christians.
We want to share Jesus with as many people as we can so they can join us in Heaven.
We respect other religions, but still try to share ours as much as possible.
@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
1 Aug 10
Residual...are you saying that Christians are superior to other religious folk? Are you saying that Christians are the only ones who have faith? You're kidding aren't you? If this is what you truly believe then I feel sorry for you.
@Graptopetalum (1807)
• Canada
30 Jul 10
Yes I quiet agree. I'm horrified that nobody came up with this reason for sharing their faith sooner.
@Patience68 (28)
• Kenya
29 Jul 10
I think thats more like blackmailing someone.If such a person joined the religion out of the fear you instill in them.You see they will not be joining you because of their own free will.Guess what they are bound to backslide soon after.You need to show them the values in your religion and let themselves.
@smallsaozhou (827)
• China
29 Jul 10
Yeah,it is like blackmailing.I quite agree with you.I also think let themselves is a better attitude like you said.
@efc872 (1077)
• Jamaica
29 Jul 10
Everybody believes that their religion is the right one and that couldn't be true.
To prove that any is right will create war
Going to war won't prove anything either because it is difficult to find a judge to declare the winner.
It seems we are all destined to hell until we find the judge, amen.
@Galena (9110)
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29 Jul 10
they do it because they're insecure in their belief. they need other people to think the same as them, because if they don't, then they worry that they might be wrong.
they feel threatened whenever they discover somebody else who, when faced with their beleif, rather than thinking it's right, they think it's wrong.
it opens up that possibility to them that maybe, just maybe, someone else might be right and they might be wrong. so they try to make the other person change their mind in order to take away that possibility that frightens them.
the fact is, ANYONE could be right and ANYONE could be wrong. I think that no one knows the secrets of the Universe, we all just try and grasp it as best we can within the confines of a brain that is smaller than a football. we are not equipped to understand the Universe completely. there's jigsaw peices out there, but nobody has the full picture. our brains can't hold it.
when people are secure in their beleif and aware that no one knows the whole story, they don't feel threatened by others having reached a different conclusion to them.
@calai618 (1773)
• Philippines
29 Jul 10
I think these forums and discussions are places to share our beliefs and knowledge. There's nothing wrong with having different beliefs and religions but like you said, the "wrong" part is when people try to force others to believe what you believe. People may ask for one's views and opinions but it doesnt necessarily mean that he or she will believe you. we should respect each and everyone of us. it's also a lesson that different religions teach.
@silvercoin (2101)
• Lithuania
30 Jul 10
Some want to be respected without respecting.Sharing with respect is OK.
@rafaelnadal007 (731)
• India
29 Jul 10
I didn't force anyone to understand what I believe. It doesn't work after all and I don't have that capacity to convince someone. I leave it to GOD, if they understand, they will else not. Why would I waste my energy to convince them ? Whatever they will think doesn't matter much. I am clear to myself and done my duty understanding them once, no need to repeat the process.
@silvercoin (2101)
• Lithuania
30 Jul 10
Exactly,it doesn't work and some prefer doing things that don't work.
@krnavtr (285)
• India
29 Jul 10
Actually in my life time i haven't saw anyone doing such thing. If some one want me to believe in some thing that he/she does, then i will never. On top of that religion, my god, how can some one force to believe in some thing that is legal. But its okay if he/ she trying to make the person believe in right path. May all the hard time's come my way but i promise, i am not going to believe in the religion that i don't belong.
@silvercoin (2101)
• Lithuania
30 Jul 10
You haven't run into fanatics yet, that's why.I like when people are happy with what they believe and go their way without bothering others.I don't believe in forced belief.