being poor
By figurativeme
@figurativeme (1089)
Philippines
December 13, 2010 9:18am CST
I had this talk with a cousin on poverty and on being poor where he defined poverty as "the absence of choice." It is this absence of choice which robs a person of his dignity.
For instance, the poor who is sick has not choice but to go to a public hospital where the service may be poor or suffer the sickness at home while the rich has a choice of exlusive hospitals and specialists. Or the poor children who go to public schools (in our country, public schools leave much to be desired) while the rich has access to quality education and exclusive schools. And both instances ultimately affect the quality of life of a person. Which leaves him again with no choice.
This probably lends credibility to the saying "beggars are no choosers."
I tend to agree with him and feel with those who have no choice.
Do you agree with what my cousin said about poverty?
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13 responses
@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
14 Dec 10
Yes.. but the absence of choice can also relate to people who are in controlling or abusive relationships, where their sense of self worth and confidence may be poor, and the lack of choice a control factor, and it may have absolutely nothing to do with material wealth or goods, or status and education level.
Sometimes I think that is worse.
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@figurativeme (1089)
• Philippines
14 Dec 10
Wow, that is nice mommyboo! True, poverty can have many faces and not only in material things. Lack of choice can indeed become a controlling factor.
I once worked as a volunteer in a woman's organization and it came out in testimonies of some women that their lack of jobs make them dependent on their husbands who are able to control them in their choices. And this situation can be worse yes, emotionally and psychologically.
Thanks for your response and in the enrichment of the discussion.
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@sid556 (30960)
• United States
14 Dec 10
Hi Figurativeme,
I think to an extent that your cousin is right. I'm on the low end of the pay scale so I don't have health insurance and I don't go to the doctors. My daughter goes to public school etc. I do have choices though. I could actually quit my job and go on welfare. Then I would get free further education, transportation, cash, food, shelter, health care etc. I choose to work and set an example for my daughter.
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@figurativeme (1089)
• Philippines
14 Dec 10
Hi sid! Parents do have the responsibility to do right and be a role model to their children. But it fulfills us, right?
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@sanjay91422 (2725)
• India
14 Dec 10
I think your friend said it very right, because a person is poor when there are not choices. This definition can be applied to any field in your life, one can be financially poor, other can be poor or rich with getting the love. If you have a number of choices in the fields of your life then you are a rich person.
@figurativeme (1089)
• Philippines
23 Dec 10
I agree with you sanjay. This can be applied to nonmaterial things. Like a child can be rich in love if he or she is surrounded with supportive and loving parents. That child would grow positive in life.
Thanks for your response.
@louievill (28851)
• Philippines
13 Dec 10
I agree with your cousin that the poor has no choice and that being poor is the absence of choice, but allow me to just make an argument in a philosophical manner, they have one very important choice " that choice is to choose not to be poor"They are poor because they chose to be poor. Okay some people might not agree with me, but if you perceive that you are poor based on your own standards then it's your "choice" whether or not you want to get out of that rut and start making plans, the plans you will make is also based on your "choice" on how to go about it. More often than not we see poor people in our country because they chose to be that way "poor" they don't make an effort to get an education, they get overwhelmed by vices, they don't plan their family etc.. that was their choice, they simply chose to be poor. What do you think?
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@jornz87 (139)
• Philippines
14 Dec 10
poverty defines as the lack of basic human needs, fewer resources of income compared to other. but for me, poverty happens coz people chose it.having lots of kids yet their income is not enough.or having kinds even they don't have the sources of income.
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@figurativeme (1089)
• Philippines
23 Dec 10
Hi jornz. You are right in poverty as the absence or even the lack of resources. But I just wonder if one would choose to be poor?
Thanks for your response.
@peavey (16936)
• United States
14 Dec 10
You've had some really good responses! I think, though, that the line between "poor" and "rich" has been drawn too severely. In our country, and I suspect that in many countries, there is a broad "middle class" who are neither rich nor poor. Where does this discussion put them?
There are many more of them than there are of poor or rich.
To answer your question: I do agree to an extent. People who are poor, regardless of the reason, have fewer choices than those who are better off. Someone who has no transportation is limited to shopping within walking distance of his home and cannot take advantage of larger and/or less expensive shops and so on.
There are many choices that poor people can make, though. Anyone can make a choice to find ways to make their money go further. They can learn skills that allow them to do things and to make things to take care of their own needs instead of buying everything. They can choose to face life with dignity instead of letting it run over them. They can choose to teach their children that they are valuable.
There are always choices of some kind to be made and no one can make every choice in his life. Everyone has some limitations on the things they can choose.
@figurativeme (1089)
• Philippines
14 Dec 10
Hi peavey. Your inclusion of the middle class in this discussion is really interesting. There are many middle class now though I would say the poor still outnumber them. And many of the middle class are slipping down to becoming poor...particularly with our worsening economy.
I agree with you on the aspect of adjusting to one's condition and making the most of it...still with a semblance of dignity. And I appreciate this kind of attitude.
Thanks for your response and for enriching the discussion. Have a nice day.
@buggles64 (2709)
• United States
13 Dec 10
Beggars can't be choosy, they have to take what jobs they can get no matter the pay. Take a look at all the sweat factories in underdevolped countries. I think if they had the choice to choose a better paying job, with better benefits they would. yes, I agree with your cousin, he is a wise man.
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@figurativeme (1089)
• Philippines
13 Dec 10
My cousin did open my eyes to another perspective of being poor. The usual definition of being poor is absence of material things. He gave me another perspective and more understanding of the issue.
Thanks for your response, buggles.
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@thanks1961 (7035)
• India
22 Dec 10
Hi dear,
In very country there is poor and rich - and it is the Government of the country, is the responsible authority to eradicate the poverty or reduce the gap between the rich and the poor. But what the Governments do? With the interference of the Government, does they could reduce it. I never seen that they could do it properly.
Why, even now the wealth is still concentrated only on few million people in any country? If the authorities tired, whether they can't control it with a stipulated time? Why they don't do it or if doing how long they will take to eliminate this disparity?
No. Never, the authorities will make more millionaire and more poor over here on earth. It is their destiny. Just be happy with what they have and no more questions. But we are helpless and those who are supposed to do the help have no time for it and they simply closing the eyes, now they can't see anything. Nothing is around.
Thank-s
@thanks1961 (7035)
• India
24 Dec 10
Hi dear,
Yes, all are like this only. But as an individual, we all are expected to do our own role in much better way and motivated to our welbeing and grwoth. Each one's individual growth must finally should help the growth of the entire nation by which the whole universe.
We cannot wait for any more assuming that someone will come and help on any of these days. It would be just a dream and we should work hard to feel us good.
Thanks for your comments and season's greetings.
Thank-s
@figurativeme (1089)
• Philippines
24 Dec 10
I totally agree with you. It is the government who is very much in the position to help--with all those resources that come from the people--yer they are unable to help them. I also agree in what you said about the concentration of wealth in only a few who control the economy. Sad and tragic really.
Still cheers for this yuletide season and thanks for your response, thanks1961.
@ivanmarginal (675)
• Indonesia
14 Dec 10
In some extents that's rite. Beggar is not chooser. They're left alone and got no choice. But some take benefit of it. It is common to see many beggars are actually rich. They pretend to be poor to earn money. But for those who are really rich, people around should aid them. Govt MUST take some actions. Fighting against poverty is not enough by talking only. Soon I hope there will be no beggar anymore...
@figurativeme (1089)
• Philippines
14 Dec 10
Hi ivan. True, there are those kind of people who pretend they are poor and exploit the condition of being poor. And also, those who "have" and are in the position to help should help those who "have not." And the government is the most in the postion to help.
Thanks for your response.
@terryt52 (243)
• United States
13 Dec 10
Poor in our country get entitlements and we the working people pay for those entitlements. I would clarify what exactly poor you mean. Some one whom chooses to be poor or some one who has hit hard times. I do believe that poverty is somewhat of a choice unless you had a circumstance that caused the poverty. I deal a lot with people who are put into foster care or people from domestic violence. Their poverty is a choice. They choose to live off entitlements. Public education is poor in a lot of areas it is a parents responsibility to make sure their children are being educated correctly. My children go to public school and every day I as the parent makes sure that they are learning. I think being poor is a choice for most.
@figurativeme (1089)
• Philippines
14 Dec 10
True, there are varied reasons why a person is poor or become poor. Sometimes, one is pushed into that condition. This is just a question and a matter of curiosity...if the poor take the entitlements, could it be that they do so because they have no choice?
I could see that you are a dedicated parent and your children are lucky to have you as their mom. It always help children to have a supportive parent behind them.
Thanks for your response terry.
@figurativeme (1089)
• Philippines
14 Dec 10
Hi lance. Nothing in life is free, right? Except perhaps the air you breath.
Thanks for your response.
@yumcookie (146)
• United States
13 Dec 10
A man/ woman must work for what they need. Even those who are well off had to work hard at some point or another. A person who has but penny to his names could sell trash or used news papers as a means of an income to put a warm meal in his belly and perhaps help him get off the streets. Its all about how you approach the situation.
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@figurativeme (1089)
• Philippines
14 Dec 10
That's true yumcookie. The values we hold will steer us to the path we want to take...consciously or otherwise.
Thanks for your response. I truly appreciate this. Have a nice day.