Does showing faith in inconsequential matters really show faith?
By vanny
@vandana7 (100638)
India
January 17, 2011 11:13am CST
I dont think so.
I think faith is about trusting god to save me when nothing else that I know can. By associating such a profound feeling with inconsequential things like other people's beliefs, I would only be reducing god's importance, isn't it?
I believe in god, and all gods, so dont try to classify me. But I wouldnt be able to surrender all my all hard earned monies to somebody with a faith that god is there and he will come running to look after me. Could you surrender your hard earned money to me with that type of faith?
Nor could I leave a lighted lamp out there in rain, hoping god would do some miracle and prevent it from being doused. That would be silly, wouldnt it? This is because god has already equipped me with common sense. I need to use it. God's duty here is done. He too has other things to do you know. :)
So the litmus test of my faith in god is - when I face a problematic situation that has no way known to me for extricating myself from it except taking a hazardous alternative, with full trust in god to take me to the other side.
Am I right in understanding that is what faith is all about? And that is where it is questioned and not anywhere and everywhere?
Please share your views about display of faith in inconsequential matters. :)
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15 responses
@krajibg (11922)
• Guwahati, India
17 Jan 11
Hi vandana,
No, I do not think so. Belief, trust or faith - they all come to your existence when you mold them in your own way. People go to the temple or the Church to look for the holy mercy and you have faith on it.
My question is why can not you do your player or do some ceremony at home itself? Well you would tell me that temples or churches are places to unite people and ignite the spiritual being in them. But how many understand this? People believe or are made to believe that you would not get anything in the inconsequential things.
The most important thing is to have your faith and show this anywhere or in any manner is up to you.
@vandana7 (100638)
• India
17 Jan 11
Hi Rajib, wish you a very happy new year. :)
Honestly, we are not displaying faith when we go to temple. We do a ritual which is prescribed - that is different from faith - you know take the name of god and jump straight into sea, because if you dont the Sigourney Weaver's alien's gonna get hold of you, kind of thing. :)
So I think the true form of belief in god comes only at that moment, and not at other time. Remembering books, reciting hymns, going to temples, and folding hands, are all rituals. These are incorporated in religions to help people come out of their present problems, like when they leave home, they leave behind some vitiated environment for a while, effectively calming their nerves so that when they return home after visiting temple, they can resume talk in cool and collected way. There is no other significance per se. You start doing this also regularly, and you would find your mind would easily take your thoughts elsewhere even as you sit before god. So I am not sure I agree to your statements.
@jennyze (7028)
• Indonesia
18 Jan 11
I really don't know Vandy. If I do give some money to others even when I don't have any foods on my table, it would be because I know they need it more than I and that I can still find resources to get money. Not because I want to be a good person, not because of faith and not because I want something else from them. My act would be solely guided by my conscience. Is that a faith? I don't know. I just believe in God.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
20 Jan 11
hi vandy . to me God helps those who help themselves as he gave
us brains and common sense. so then we work hard using brains and commons sense and having deep abiding faith that when you do your' best then God does the rest,Faith is beleiveing in things unseen'klnowin he is always there and he will see us through.
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@vandana7 (100638)
• India
20 Jan 11
Hatley sweetie - exactly - he wouldnt give us a problem without equipping us with required intelligence and knowledge. And if he ever finds he has done that, or that we are failing inspite of our efforts, then he will surely come to our help. That is what is faith I suppose. It is funny people think faith is to be displayed on gays, or people who think about god attending to nature's call.
@hardworkinggurl (37063)
• United States
17 Jan 11
Firstly I would like to start with a disclaimer:
What I believe in and do not believer in is strictly reflected for me and would never impose my beliefs and or non-belief onto others.
LOL, thought I made sure I put that in as so many read comments and totally mis understand.
Now for your discussion:
I believe in God and everlasting life! I am one that when and if I am to be in any form of danger that I face it on. Meaning that if many are afraid to fly because they feel that it is dangerous, due to failing of plane functions and or terrorists, I am one that when and if I decide to fly, sure makes me a bit frighten, but I will fly anyways. See here is how I see it, if I make it to my destination, GREAT! If I don't well I suppose it was God's will and my life on heart is over. This analogy pretty much with anything in life, some may lay and fall asleep and never wake up, while others do.
So this in no way means that I intentionally put myself in face of danger, with hopes that I will be saved or not as a test. Simply common sense FOR ME, that I look, live, research and be happy with my outcome. Whether it was right or wrong I made a decisions I FELT, was right for ME.
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@vandana7 (100638)
• India
19 Jan 11
Blondie you expressed it better than me.. when we are in danger we got to face it ... that is when our faith is to be shown!
It is like, a person is honest as long as he is not in a position to take bribes. :)
I agree, unless and until we reach a situation where we have no choice, our faith is not tested. There is no point screaming our guts out that we believe in god, and blah blah. Or fighting with others about their beliefs. We need to show our faith when it really matters.
@hardworkinggurl (37063)
• United States
20 Jan 11
Exactly, I find no point in challenging anyone with attempt to convert and or revert. Just as much as I do not allow and or partake in others trying to do the same to me.
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@virdell1 (57)
• United States
27 Jan 11
You are right about God giving us the common sense to avoid doing silly things. We were giving the ability to think and use or intelligence.
I do have great faith in God and I do pray to God on a daily basis. Not repetitive mundane prayer, but heartfelt sincere prayer. Once I have asked for his assistance or thanked him for my daily living I leave it with him. I have the "faith" to know that I will be given direction. Sometimes the direction may be difficult for me to accept.
I don't just sit around and wish for the things I need or wonder why I'm not happy. God has given me the ability to and strength to work to get out of debt. It may not be the type of work we want at times, but at least I was given the opportunity to take care of myself and in that I can take pride and show gratefulness.
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@vandana7 (100638)
• India
27 Jan 11
Hi virdell, first and foremost, welcome to myLot. :)
I really appreciate how you take things. There is truly no point in spending time on finding out why we are not happy. Instead we should be focusing our efforts on being happy. You have mastered the trick my friend.
@moksha09 (467)
• India
11 Apr 11
There is good on this earth and there is evil. Like the negative and the positive. As they balance out each other the equilibrium is maintained but the balance keeps tilting this way and that.so as a human being you know you can be good or bad, the choice is yours.All of us make our choices and enjoy/suffer the consequences.
No one can truly claim that she is in total control or totally helpless, you will agree. It is up to you to make the effort and the results will convince you that efforts do bear favorable results most of the time.
You can be diplomatically neutral but you can not be totally neutral. You have to take a stand and be ready to receive bouquets and brickbats in equal measure.
when you say the chair is rocking on its own please understand that this could be a case of possession. This could be dangerous if you choose not to take action.You could be under some one's control without being fully aware of it.The threat could come from jealous relatives or enemies. Believe me these things do happen. The reason could be anger, envy, hatred or enmity.
By possession I mean a spirit which is hovering around you and could be waiting to invade your mind and body. Such a spirit can do you more harm than you can imagine.
I suggest you seek help from Sahaj yogis near you and better still go on a 2-4 weeks treatment at Belapur where you will understand what is going wrong. And get a solution to your problems.
Time to take action sister and take this very seriously.
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@vandana7 (100638)
• India
11 Apr 11
Oh that rocking chair thing.. :) Now I know ...:) I know I am envied..:) I give it all to god...its up to him, to prove my faith in him is not misplaced..:) For those who know that I believe in him and believed to dying day, it would be incomprehensible..so I do believe he will find a way to step in..and save me from evil..I just trust him, and leave it in his hands. Even if he does not come there might be something deeper in his plans which I may not be aware of... its his will. :)
@moksha09 (467)
• India
13 Apr 11
HE has his plans for you but unfortunately so does the devil. Al you need to do is to extend your hand but just make sure you extend it to the right entity.Who knows your rescue could happen in this life time itself Or do you wish to take another birth and go through a struggle once again.
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@flowerchilde (12529)
• United States
17 Jan 11
To me faith is believing the deity is and seeking to ever know this one more and more.. And believe we experience this friendship and communion in the quietness of our inner being (what some call our soul) by prayer, prayerful contemplation and (to me) reading the scripture, which to me is the Bible, especially the New Testament and Psalms..
all the best..
@ElicBxn (63643)
• United States
18 Jan 11
I beg to differ. Yes, the big things are challenging, but living your faith, day to day is actually more difficult. Its how you treat other people. How you treat things around you, with or without respect. How you act in both public and private.
Yes, God gave us common sense, that tells us to do things like come in out of the rain. But if you do a small thing, like help someone without an umbrella with your umbrella, that is one of those small signs of faith.
@ElicBxn (63643)
• United States
20 Jan 11
I don't mean to give them your umbrella, but to go out of your way and share your umbrella to help them.
If you see someone walking that you know, at least a bit, and you are in a car going the same way, do you drive by or give them a ride? If I have space, I'll offer them a ride.
One night I heard a child crying, it was starting to rain and there was a lady with 3 small children, 2 crying because they were tired, that she sat them down on the curb at the corner to rest.
I gave her and her children a ride in my car to their apartment.
No, I didn't have to do it, I didn't know her at all, but because my faith says to help those in need, I did it.
@vandana7 (100638)
• India
21 Jan 11
I think that is because you are by nature a nice person. It may not have much to do with faith. :) Are you trying to tell me that had you belonged to another religion, or no religion at all, you wouldn't have helped? :) Did you help them thinking "hey Christ would've liked that, or wanted me to do that". I doubt it. You did it because you are compassionate. There are many things that religion does not specifically mention. But we use our discretion and do it with equity and peace to one and all.
I was once told that everybody is honest normally, but their real nature comes out only when they are in a position to cheat and get away with it. :) So faith too according to me is something we believe that we have. But it can only surface when we face really trying circumstances. Till then, we may only be reinforcing the fact that we believe in god may be?
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@vandana7 (100638)
• India
20 Jan 11
Hi ElicBxn, I thought long and hard about what you've written here. And here is something I feel about it. If I give a person my umbrella, I do use my brains - is that person really needy? Is he or she sick, or helpless? Is he or she a child, unable to get one? And it comes straight from heart, and my brain does not say, this is what god would've expected, and similar things. I dont think of god or other people. I do it because I can, and I want to, and it makes sense to.
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@Adoniah (7513)
• United States
17 Jan 11
I will preface this by saying that I have a strong faith in HaShem, and then I will say that He does not Micromanage. He does not peek into individual lives and fix our little problems. That is a ludicrous thought.
HaShem created a massive Universe with billions of solar systems and trillions of planets(estimates of course). We do not know how many of these planets have life forms on them. Are we so arrogant as to think we are the only ones? Were we the practice ones...are we the test tube marked failure? Hopefully not. Even so, HaShem gave us a planet of beauty,full of resources. He gave us a book with 613 Mitzvot(laws) not just the 10 commandments that christians try to follow. And he gave us a mind that is capable of great things. We squander all of the above. We could cure all of the ills of the world if pharmaceutical companies were not so greedy. We are destroying our world of beauty through greed and war. We are destroying each other through hate....
Why would HaShem peek into our individual lives and fix our little problems. That is a ludicrous thought....
@Anora_Eldorath (6028)
• United States
17 Jan 11
Vandana-
Faith to me is a very individual thing. I think it differs from one person to another is not something we can quantify or qualify. The simplified definition of faith is taking something as a belief without having sufficient evidence that it exists.
I'm not sure exactly what you consider inconsequential but I believe that there is nothing that is outside the realm of faith and that nothing is wasted by faith. I believe that the Divine is in everything so I try to keep that every day.
As far as giving my "monies" to a cause, I don't believe in handing it over to a preacher just because he says that is the way to God. I don't believe that. I never have. I do believe in helping my fellow sentient being though and if they need help I will do my best to help.
Namaste-Anora
@vandana7 (100638)
• India
19 Jan 11
Wow Anora, that is the kind of answer I agree to completely. It is so personal! So how can I be hurt if you say something about your faith, and vice versa? It is just like me liking Jennifer Aniston, and you liking Angelina Jolie! Both of us have right to like and believe in what we perceive. I shouldnt be saying that Jolie is bad because she took away Brad Pitt from Aniston. That is so irrelevant and inconsequential here. Isn't it?
As to the money aspect, I am so glad "normal" people dont link preacher with faith, and consequently part with their hard earned monies. :)
Actually, one of my friends out here started a discussion which was actually a humorous stuff, but many people whose faith was insulted in process came rushing upon him. I found it silly. That is why I came up with this discussion, and money thing was a dig at them. :)
@bird123 (10643)
• United States
17 Jan 11
Don't try to classify you???? Well, I'm going to anyway!!!! You are a Child of God!!! There I said it. Yes, A pretty good class to be in. Perhaps I don't value faith as so many. It isn't really important. I concentrate on discovery and knowing the truth. The truth is that if you have a problem that will teach you then you must overcome that problem. If it's time to change like die and move on then you will have to move on. There is one thing I have noticed. If you absolutely need help and it has nothing to do with any lessons in life that God will send help from somewhere or someone. This has happened too many times to discount.If this means faith, great. God loves all His children unconditionally. Life is about learning and growing. Believing has never been important to God. Vandana7 if God ever needs you to spend money for some cause on His behalf, somehow deep in your heart, I think you will know this. You have sound judgement.
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@vandana7 (100638)
• India
19 Jan 11
I agree. :) And I perfectly accept that God will send help when I need it - and that is the faith.
I agree about the money thing as well. Actually that bit was to tell people those who have faith to prove it by doing something like that instead of fighting over it with others. Kind of dig. :)
Yeah, I agree with you about god's wishes, and we know it, and we do it. Bird I believe that if I owe another person something I will spend the money on him or her, or god will find a way to take it from me and give to the person. So I will only be left with what is rightfully mine, i.e., what god wanted me to have. :)
@thesids (22180)
• Bhubaneswar, India
17 Jan 11
Hi Vandana,
I mentioned earlier I do not believe in God as propounded by the caretakers. I do believe in doing my things and my thoughts as long as they dont interfere with someone elses happiness or lives(in the negative aspects).
But going by the little knowledge I have, God never says "Trust me and dont do your duties". He has given us the knowledge to judge for ourselves and act according to our thoughts and instincts.
@vandana7 (100638)
• India
22 Jan 11
Ok - suppose I asked - when our gods were fighting on battlefield did they feel the need to attend to nature's call, and what did they do if they felt like it, I mean they had a whole lot of army standing behind them to weave out from and then rush to - and if not they would have to tell the Ravana's and Duryodhana's - hey just wait - gotta go... you know? I find the thought amusing, would you find the thought a sacrilege to your belief?
@Kalyni2011 (3496)
• India
23 Jan 11
Vandanaji
I have very strong faith in our gods and goddesses, when ever i am in some problem, pain, i close my eyes and recite some verses like 'Hanuman Chalisa'; I get almost instant relief, it is miracle for me..
Thanks for sharing your thought.
kalyani
@vandana7 (100638)
• India
25 Jan 11
Hi Kalyniji - I appreciate your belief. Much of it has to do with how we were taught when we were young, how much we read, what we come across in life, and how open we are to accept facts and differentiate the faith from stories.
So - if somebody cuts a joke on your gods or goddesses would you feel offended? Remember, he or she may not be of your faith. Remember it is not you who is sinning. Would you go and reprimand him or her, or express hurt and move out or join him in laughing and shrug it off later. Exactly what would your reaction be.
@mythociate (21432)
• Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
17 Jan 11
The kind of faith that matters is like 'eight-on-a-hand' (a drumline-exercise)---if the drumline can execute eight-on-a-hand perfectly, they can play any drum-music perfectly just the same way (i.e. with practice!)
The kind of faith it seems like you're talking about though is more like 'demanding that God perform miracles.' "Thou shalt not test the Lord."
@vandana7 (100638)
• India
17 Jan 11
Ah - interesting. No - I am not testing god at all sweetie, because I already think he is supreme. But as I mentioned elsewhere - if I am on a cliff, and down below is sea, and the alien creature from Sigourney Weaver's Alien movies was coming towards me, I would pray to god to take care of me, and jump in the sea. If god saves me, that is great. If he doesnt, I wouldnt know, would I? :)
@rebelann (113008)
• El Paso, Texas
22 Feb 21
I have faith in the Great Spirit (my God) but not that the Great Spirit will protect me in this life, the roads were put before me to choose from and I made choices that got me to where I am but I have faith that the Great Spirit will guide my spirit to the right place when the time comes.