Ambercrombie admits there is no obama birth certificate on record
By snbutterfly
@snbutterfly (259)
United States
January 26, 2011 12:59pm CST
So after all the fuss Ambercrombie finally admits there is no birth certificate on record for Obama. In fact, he said that he doesn't even remember Obama before Obama was age 5 or 6 years old.
In order for this person to legally be POTUS (president of the United States) he needs to be a natural born citizen. If he isn't and can't prove that he is, something he has failed to even bother with, then he needs to step down.
Personally, I don't know one way or the other. He needs to pull out a copy of a birth certificate with a parent's signature and not some crazy little piece of digital paper that shows nothing but someone entered data into a computer. I can get my originals from the county I was born in with both my parent's signature and so can my children.
Do you think he should have to show proof to be the leader of the free world (well, it will be free as soon as he steps down or is voted OUT)
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@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
26 Jan 11
He admitted no such thing. The governor has no permission or authority to look these things up to begin with. This whole birth certificate issue is nothing more than distractive nonsense that makes the genuine opposition movement look foolish and I wish people would quit perpetuating it. There are far more serious and legitimate issues.
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@snbutterfly (259)
• United States
26 Jan 11
Are you the governor of Hawaii? Then how would you even know if he said it or not? Hmmm? The birth certificate issue is important or it wouldn't have been in the Constitution. There are serious and legitimate issues as well, but he does need to answer this one to make anything he has done legitimate.
@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
26 Jan 11
How could i know? Because priovacy laws in every state would forbid it. Just because he is governor does not mean he can just go about looking up birth certificates. Permission would be required form Obama to look up his birth certificate.
Were there something to this, yes, it would be serious, constitutional crisis-serious. However, there is nothing to it. I have yet to see a single shred of empirical evidence for it.
I understand also that there are states considering state ballot laws that require a candidate to show a birth certificate to be on the ballet and I have no problem with that. Ballot law is a state issue and each state is of course free to set their requirements. Mush like laws on birth certificates in general, state laws and each state handles it in their own way and with their own type of birth certificate and what is required information on a birth certificate.
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@urbandekay (18278)
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27 Jan 11
He is not leader of the free world only of the US, which is not a particularly free country nor a particularly democratic one
all the best urban
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@urbandekay (18278)
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4 Feb 11
Yes, but there are many republics the electoral systems of which are far less corrupt that that of USA. Being a republic does not mean you have to have a corrupt electoral system. In fact so corrupt that were you any other country, you would have invaded yourselves to 'restore democracy' (Now there's a cruel joke)
all the best urban
@snbutterfly (259)
• United States
3 Feb 11
that's because we're a republic and people can vote in representatives who represent them. the problem is, people get so used to the idea of voting out 'the lesser of two evils' or the one 'who isn't the incumbent' or voting for politically correct reasons that we end up with people like obama. there are a lot of sheep here and it took an obama to awaken a lot of those people.
let me explain why a representative government is better. you have a huge country with people in cities who love to vote for certain things that won't help the people in the country area at all. if the vote balances toward all the people in the city then the people in the country don't have a voice at all because they're not piled up like a bunch of little ants living off of one another.
a good example of the above is california. it's a mess out here. one reason is because of a spend-happy democrat legislature and a so-called republican governor who couldn't keep the signing pen out of his hand and the other are the crazy little laws that have been put into place "by the people" when in fact most of the voting goes to the cities. with the exception of the few republican chairs held, the people in the cities all vote democrat and the farmers and others get screwed (ie boxer and feinstein keeping the water from the california farmers and killing off their businesses in the name of a stupid fish.) the central valley doesn't vote democrat for the most part, but there aren't a lot of people there so the farmers get screwed with environmentalist wackos like boxer and feinstein.
@MntlWard (878)
• United States
27 Jan 11
Even if that were true, do you think that Governor Lingle's staff had been secretly infiltrated by Democrats or by memebers of this 40-some-year-old conspiracy to have a Kenyan elected to be President of the US?
Here's a video that re-enacts all the things that have to be true for the birther conspiracy theory to be true:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2u3Ax8UQ9ac
Even if you don't want to watch the video, maybe you should familiarize yourself with snopes.com. For example, this page:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp
@snbutterfly (259)
• United States
3 Feb 11
LOL @ snopes. they've been discredited numerous times and are very one-sided. They even say not to take what they say to heart. So, I don't.
@snbutterfly (259)
• United States
27 Jan 11
She never saw it, one of her staff members claimed to have seen it. See, first she said her staff member saw it and then she later changed her story and said she was the one who saw it. That was about the same time the hospital name where he was born had changed as well.
@Rollo1 (16679)
• Boston, Massachusetts
26 Jan 11
I just read that this Mike Evans has retracted his statements and now says that Abercrombie never told him what he reported in that interview. Actually, I do think Evans made it up, especially because of the part about knowing Barack Sr and knowing the little Barry when he was 5 or 6. By the time Obama was 5 or 6,his father was long gone. He couldn't have known his father and the 6 year old Barry at the same time.
Abercrombie has his own reasons for pretending he was going to release the birth certificate and ultimately had to admit that he couldn't because Obama never authorized any release of records.
Who knows if a birth certificate exists or not? At this point, the fact that the president would rather see the country fractured and split, fighting over these issues than to just release a birth certificate tells me that either it doesn't exist or if it does, he prefers to keep the "birther" conspiracy theories going.
I am sure that he has his own reasons for this, I just don't think any of those reasons is because he has the country's best interest at heart.
@snbutterfly (259)
• United States
3 Feb 11
To be honest Rollo1 - and my point I was trying to get across without being rude to you - I think these people who retract their statements are threatened. Yeah. Why else would someone say that? Hmmm??? There are SO MANY who retract their statements and lose their information that it's crazy. So yeah, you have your theory and I have mine and if you think that obama is the greatest thing next to mozerella cheese or gold (LOL) then that's your opinion. I personally think he's a lying little fascist who wants to change the country where only the elitists have the money and the others all work hard for the elitists and can never get ahead because they're taxed so damn high to feed the "poor" they can never grow their business where they could in a real free enterprise system.
i have a lot of leftist friends who can't stand obama now because of how he went centrist on them. it's too funny. they wanted him to be hippie material - free healthcare, free this free that, but obviously he's something that neither the right or left wants now. Only a few people like you actually still like him.
He DOES NOT have the country's best interest at heart. If he did then he wouldn't have done so many of the things he has done already. I am SO GLAD that he has opposition now that will stop his crazy agenda to "change America" - Those words RIGHT THERE are telling you that he doesn't like the USA.
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@2004cqui (2812)
• United States
26 Jan 11
If he doesn't have a birth certificate why did he pass through to run for president in the first place? The rest of us have to produce the required documentation before getting to do take advantage of programs and employment! I voted for him and do not regret it. But obviously money talks louder than I ever imagined. Why am I worried about replacing my social security card I can't find? It only takes an original birth certificate and my drivers license! I have both and either have to send them in the mail and hope they arrive safely (no guarantee I'll get them back, or drive 10 miles and deliver them myself! But I'm part of the lowly middle class!
@gladys46 (1205)
• United States
26 Jan 11
It just always amazes me that this conspiracy theorists "birther" group continue to misrepresent the facts! Did Albercrombie state that he would not seek further to publicize the President's state filed birth certificate because of privacy rights or did some so-called "friend" of Albercrombie present outright hearsay as fact? There is no parent signature on my birth certificate, only the State's Registrar of Vital Statistics!!! The fact is, the President presented his birth certificate to the proper sources the moments he declared he'd run for POTUS ... period ... end of story! Nobody is legally permitted by most state laws to give any such "birther" groups anybody's birth certificate at will!! Only a family member (presenting evidence of same) may acquire a birth certificate!!
@snbutterfly (259)
• United States
26 Jan 11
Mine has BOTH signatures on the birth certificate. Maybe you have one of those fake short forms that he has - an excuse for a birth certificate. Go get the real copy from your registrar because they should have both.
There is no end of story here. Obama needs to PROVE IT to be eligible. If you read all the facts then you will see why the DNC glazed over his information and how he was able to pass the inspection from the state of Hawaii.
@barehugs (8973)
• Canada
27 Jan 11
As a Canadian I would feel so lucky to have Barack Obama as my President! I think he's a Great Man, and a Great President! He won the Peace Prize early in his Presidency and this prize is not given lightly! I understand that not everyone can appreciate a Great Man like President Obama. And I've heard much about the American system ( where everyone forgets their differences and falls in behind their President as soon as he is elected) it appears that this lofty ideal is just not the case. I'm tired of reading posts about Obama not being an American Citizen! How stupid can this be? He is already elected so why waste time going on at length about a done deal? You and I (and 250 million Americans all know Hes one of America's Great Presidents so why not just let it be?
@snbutterfly (259)
• United States
27 Jan 11
He didn't do anything to get the peace prize! And please, he is NOT a great president. He's a joke. No matter where he was born it will not change how crappy of a president he has been. I think you need to read the Canadian Free Press instead of the State Led Press.
@Adoniah (7513)
• United States
26 Jan 11
Your parents signatures are not on your birth certificate...But a certificate of life birth is not the same thing as an official Birth Certificate. You cannot get your Social Security card or drivers license with a certificate of live birth. You must have a Birth Certificate. A live birth certificate can be issued to anyone that survived birth no matter where they were born...in or out of the country. A Birth Certificate can only be issued to American Citizens.
The link was interesting, but Obama is never going to step down and he is never going to produce a Birth Certificate even if he tries to run again...he is that arrogant.
@snbutterfly (259)
• United States
26 Jan 11
My parents signatures ARE on my birth certificate. The state I live in makes a copy of the original birth certificate and has it digitally stored in their records.
He might not be able to run again anyway. Several states are attempting to pass a law where the candidate must prove that he or she is a citizen. They should have done that a long time ago.
We have to prove it for jobs and that is just another job as far as I'm concerned. What is good for me is good for the president.
@goldeneagle (6745)
• United States
3 Feb 11
To hell with him stepping down...if he can't produce a valid birth certificate to prove that he is a natural-born citizen of our country, he needs to be IMPEACHED. FIRE him...period. Fire him, and take away all of his life-long benefits that were given to him when he was voted into office. We all know that he is not going to be man enough to step down, because he knew he was not a natural-born citizen when he accepted the nomination. He was just hoping this issue would be swept under the rug somehow, and it was. He should have never been allowed to accept the nomination without being able to provide that birth certificate. The right thing for our government to do would have been to just tell him point-blank that he would not be allowed to enter the election without showing a valid birth certificate, but when is that last time the government did the right thing? The first requirement to be a politician these days is that you have to be a good liar...
@benhilo (871)
• Tripoli, Libya
27 Jan 11
How he made it this far is a surprise to a lot of people. My question is why was it not caught early on by the election commission, the people who certify candidates' eligibility? I ran for office once and they had to approve me to run for office. I am the sure was to be done for Mr. Obama. Bottom line, if he can not produce an official birth certificate, he needs to step down immediately. If not, he should be impeached for lying to the American people.
@snbutterfly (259)
• United States
3 Feb 11
It wasn't done that way. Hawaii didn't have a copy of his birth certificate then. Former Hawaii elections clerk named Tim Adams there was no long form for obama or even a hospital record.
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=254401
The DNC's nomination letter for several states left out several key points for obama's nomination about being legally able to serve as president in the US. Hawaii was one of those states. Each one of McCain's letters has the appropriate text. Is this because people had qualms about signing a potential lie? Did they ask for the information be left out?
@trruk1 (1028)
• United States
26 Jan 11
This is just crazy. there is a certificate of live birth, which is, legally, a birth certificate. I do not know why people insist on raising all kind of noise over a non-issue, but it is just silly. A certificate of live birth is NOT some kind of bogus document given to people born in another country. It is a birth certificate.
@GoAskAlice (5827)
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28 Jan 11
I also want to add that tagging discussions with things like "another buirther nonsense discussion" is considered abusive and will not be tolerated.
@GoAskAlice (5827)
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28 Jan 11
I should inform you that adfly links are not permitted. In the future, any discussions using an adfly link rather than posting the original link will be removed regardless of how many responses it may already have. Please post only original source links.
@gladys46 (1205)
• United States
26 Jan 11
Hahaha ... wow, would you parent's signature be on your birth cert.? I really do think the only signatures that may appear on such a document would be the State Registrar of any Bureau of Vital Statistics ... you know, whomever that may be at the time of certificate issue.
What little trust there is out there of federal agencies that most certainly vetted this president's American status thoroughly prior to his being duly elected POTUS!! As desparate as all those folks were to be POTUS, I can't imagine they ALL slipped up on making absolutely sure of that most important little thingy.
@snbutterfly (259)
• United States
26 Jan 11
Yes, my parents signature, names, occupation, etc are all on the birth certificate as are mine on the birth certificates of my children. Well, my mother's occupation wasn't on there because it was the 1960s, but you know what I mean.
When the DNC elected him and signed off no one even bothered with it when they're supposed to.
All of the articles stating that he was born in Kenya and was once a citizen of the Philippines have been erased. You can find some of them with the website way back when where it has articles to some of his high school and college friends where they talk about him saying that he wasn't even born here and there is a paper in Kenya that talks about the Kenyan born president of the United States. Yeah, it was erased too but you can find it if you're interested in trying. There is a Tanzanian paper that also has the article. Even the Kenyan ambassador has admitted to he being born in Kenya.
If he is proven to not be a citizen then he MUST step down. You people who don't give a damn whether he was born here or not or don't care to learn the facts really need to understand WHY that was written into the Constitution - if you even care at all.
And why did Pelosi send a different letter of eligibility for Obama to the state of Hawaii than of the other states?