Never too old to learn new things.
By ANTIQUELADY
@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
United States
February 1, 2011 2:08pm CST
I am not smart on the bible at all. We have a guy in church that is sooo smart. Sunday the preacher was teaching our Sunday school class. One of the members borrowed his pen & commented on how pretty it was. There is a guy here in town that makes pens & does a beautiful job. I was fortunate to get one for Christmas. Anyway he ask if we knew what kind of wood it was made of & how did it pertain to christ.Noone knew & he said it was made of dogwood & did we know how that pertained to Christ & this guy answered that was what the cross was made from that Christ died on. I was just amazed that he knew this. Did any of y'all know that? Are any of y'all that smart on the bible. I wish i was. It's hard for me to understand to start with but to know a detail like that i thought was something.
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27 responses
@Christmas2006 (1661)
• United States
1 Feb 11
Matthew 27:31-32;Mark 15:20-22;Luke 23:26;John 19:16-18; Acts 2:22-23 are the scriptures about Jesus dying on the cross but none of them mention the type of wood. I know the dogwood story, have used it many times at church with the kids but I ALWAYS point out to themm, this is LEGEND and when you want to know the truth go to your Bible. I have told them this so many times that when a question is asked they will say "READ your Bible!" Especially when we talk about a movie and what really happened. So see you actully knew more!!! I have my kids saying "WHERE is that in the Bible??"
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@Christmas2006 (1661)
• United States
1 Feb 11
YOU are BRAVER then the adults in my church! They run from my class and even admit that the kids are smarter then they are at the Bible!!!!
I'll get with you on that Bible reading later!!!!
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@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
1 Feb 11
Thanks for responding. I need to be in your class, u are so smart when it comes to the bible. Wish i was. I need to read it more than i do but to be honest i don't understand what i'm reading most of the time.
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@elitess (5070)
• Ipswich, England
1 Feb 11
Hello dear antique lady.
I don't recall the bible mentioning the type of wood either, and most likely, like Pam above said, the romans did not keep records of the type of woods used, or if they did, no one bothered to save them as they were not really important information.
I added seeing is believing, but maybe i should of added believing is seeing - Credendo vives from Voyage of the Unicorn :) it was a nice story from that young guy so maybe it's not true, but if it makes him and others happy.
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@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
1 Feb 11
Hi THere, thanks for responding. I thought it was such an interesting story & now find out it's not true, lol.Like to learn new things but want them to be true.
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@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
4 Feb 11
I know he believed it to be a true story but don't guess it was from all the resposes i got. Happy weekend to u.
@AmbiePam (92797)
• United States
2 Feb 11
I knew that, but I guess I kind of have a leg up on Bible knowledge. I'm not extremely proficient or anything, but considering the fact that I'm a preacher's kid, I grew up in Sunday school, Sunday night, and Wednesday night church, plus going to a Christian school, and a week at church camp each summer, plus Bible school each summer...it's easy to see why I knew the dogwood thing. I'm not super smart, just really exposed to that kind of thing.
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@AmbiePam (92797)
• United States
2 Feb 11
It seems it is a fable from reading above. I knew it wasn't in the Bible about the kind of tree, but I DID hear the dogwood thing in church. So like you, I assumed it was true. Because it wasn't just one person who told me that. Live and learn! lol
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@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
2 Feb 11
Thanks for responding, Ambie. Preacher's kid, huh? I always heard they were the meanest, lol. I'm teasing w/u. I loved this story & am disappointed it's not true.Hope all is well w/u & yours.
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@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
1 Feb 11
Hi Cher, thanks for responding. It may not be true from the responses i'm getting & i heard it in church, lol. I wish i knew the bible well but i don't.
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@BarBaraPrz (47314)
• St. Catharines, Ontario
1 Feb 11
Well, that's one legend...
The Bible doesn't say what type of wood the cross Jesus was crucified on was made and Roman history doesn't go into specifics as to how the crosses were made or what type of wood was used. It's unlikely though, considering the typical size of a dogwood tree.
@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
1 Feb 11
Thanks for responding,Barb. Just a legend , huh? well poo, it's an interesting legend, lol.
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@BarBaraPrz (47314)
• St. Catharines, Ontario
1 Feb 11
Sorry to burst your bubble.
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@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
4 Feb 11
no big deal, lol not the first time my bubble has been burst nor will it probably be the last time. Happy weekend to u.
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@yoyo1198 (3641)
• United States
1 Feb 11
The Bible does not state what kind of wood was used for the cross. None of the Bible dictionaries, commentaries or even Josephus say what the cross was made of that I have read. But the legend of the dogwood is pretty. I've been reading the Bible since I was 9 yrs old and every time I do I find something new to me.
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@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
1 Feb 11
Thanks for responding & for your knowledge. I sure don't know the bible like i should. I loved this story, am disappointed it's not true. Thought u could believe what u heard in church, lol.
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@GardenGerty (160677)
• United States
1 Feb 11
I knew that traditionally it was said that the cross was made of dogwood, but I also thought that was just a tradition or a story. It is said that a staff made from the cross was carried to England to Glastonbury and when stuck in the soil it took root and bloomed. It is part of the Arthur legend. I may go look it up to see what history says.
@GardenGerty (160677)
• United States
1 Feb 11
I misspoke. It was a thorn tree at Glastonbury, supposedly from a staff owned by Joseph of Arimethea. Tradition has said that the dogwood was a larger tree, and that after the Crucifixion God made it small so it could never be used that way again. This comes in part because the four petals of the flower look like a cross and the indentations on the petals represent the nail woundss. Scientists have examined the wood from four pieces of what is assumed to be the cross, and they found that it was actually olive wood. I do not know that it was said in the Bible. I just know that the olive tree was a large tree and was prolific in the area.
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@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
1 Feb 11
Thanks for responding, GG 7 thanks for the info. I know u cab't believe half u hear but thought u could believe what u heard in church, lol. I loved the story & am disappointed it's not true.
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@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
2 Feb 11
tHANKS FOR RESPONDING. wELL, I DIDN'T KNOW. sURE DON'T CLAIM TO BE AN EXPERT ON THE BIBLE OR ANYTHING ELSE FOR THAT MATTER.
@salonga (27775)
• Philippines
1 Feb 11
Good morning my friend! Interesting topic! Indeed no one is never too old to learn things. I agree with you. Let me take this opportunity to inform you that the Bible did not mention what kind of wood the cross of Christ was made of. No you can't find this detail in the Bible. Maybe because what is more important is the significance of the cross and not the kind of wood it was. Nevertheless, as some people want discoveries and interested in details, they made some studies and researches and from there have concluded the cross might have been made of dogwood. But another group on the other hand said it could be either oak or olive based on their on findings. Whichever is the right answer, only God knows but the fact is He did not mention it at all in His Word, the Bible.
When I was a child I remember I was also amazed with how smart my Dad was! Every time he would talk about stories like Noah, his ark and the great flood, Moses and the Red Sea and so many things about the Bible I could not believe he knew all those things and I was really wondering where in the world did he ever learn those. In my young mind I was hoping I could also have the same kind of knowledge.
I thank the Lord that He fulfilled my wish when I became a Christian and was able to get hold of the knowledge only the Bible could give. I have read the whole Bible but reading it entirely just once is certainly not enough. Day after day, the Bible looks new and even more interesting so that reading it over and over again is not a waste of time, but rather enriching because it give me not just knowledge but the fear of the Lord that led into wisdom. To be knowledgeable is good but to be wise is the best. The Bible says in Proverbs 4:7 "Wisdom is the principal thing therefore get wisdom." And where in the world can we get wisdom? Well the principal source is the Bible itself. This is the very reason why I love my Bible and the very first thing that I hold to read each morning as I wake up.
But not all could understand the Bible as a Christian does. Why? Because only in Christians do the Holy Spirit that gives us the knowledge of the truth dwells.
Have a nice day my friend!
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@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
1 Feb 11
THANKS SO MUCH for your response. I wish i was as smart as u are on the bible. I need to read mine more & get smarter myself. To be honest i have a hard time understanding some of what i read. I wish i had been taught more from a child to an adult. For so many years i didn't go to church, SHAME ON ME, i know. I think it all started when i lost my sister from a car wreck. I really didn't understand why she lost her life at 17 years old. To be honest i still don't & that was in 1962. Maybe there's hope for me yet.Thanks again.
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@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
4 Feb 11
U are very smart on the bible, i can tell. I just don't study it as i should. Maybe u will be the inspiration for me to do this. I stayed out of church too long. Have forgotten so many things i learned when i was younger. My memory is not worth a hoot now. Thanks again for your response & you taking the time to write such a good one. Happy weekend to u.
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@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
2 Feb 11
I have always heard that about the Dogwood. There are alot of dogwoods in my area..that might be why I have heard it. There is a Dogwood trail in Knoxville. There are little pink squares painted on the street to guide you along while they are blooming.
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@pergammano (7682)
• Canada
2 Feb 11
HI......my two favourite ladies. You both might notice I jumped right in here, as many a time it was a topic at Bible study Camp....and just reminded me that it was also a topic on my High School Debate team. I love fables...as mostly they are woven very romantically...but I also like to know that they are fables, so I can believe them in my fantasy world....LOL!
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@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
2 Feb 11
Hi to u, favorite lady. U know i love u jumping in & bet jen does to. I was disappointed when i found out this wasn't true. I loved the story. I wish they had clatified that it was just a legend , fable or whatever.
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@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
2 Feb 11
Thanks for responding,Jen. Seems as it's just a legend. I loved the story i heard but guess u can't believe everything u hear even in church.
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@getbiswa2000 (5544)
• India
2 Feb 11
The story is really amazing. I heard similar stories in here. However that story doesn't belong to Bible or Christianity. But I firmly believe that there a very important lesson that we can learn from this incident. Why is this piece of information important? If it's dogwood, how would it affect the way we live our life? Would it make any difference to us if it had been made of some other type of wood? I know that most of us will consider this a very insignificant piece of information, but what's important here is the link, the relationship. Just like the picture hung on your wall reminds you of the place where it was taken, the dogwood, after you heard this information, will always remind you of Jesus and his sacrifice for mankind. This means, every little thing that we see can remind us of some good things. All we have to do is to find the link. If we can interpret it right, we will always find righteousness in it.
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@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
2 Feb 11
Thanks for your interesting response. We never get too old to learn for sure. I can't believe i just learned this in church last sun. & it's not even true, lol. Have a good one.
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@deriellevc73 (982)
• Philippines
2 Feb 11
hello antiquelady!
well, that's very smart of him to know all about that things and the bible. I guess, everyone of us is very good at something, that's why we must find our own niche and start training ourselves to be very good in such area. It just don't do us well when all of us are good on one specific area only. The world is full of wonderful things to learn of and you are right. We are never too old to learn new things. Every new day brings us another opportunity to learn and share that learning with others, for if we just keep it to ourselves it would just be useless. A shared knowledge is worth a thousandfold information.
@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
2 Feb 11
Good morning, great response, thank u. I hate that i wrote a discussion on something that wasn't true but thought u could believe what u hear in church,lol.
@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
2 Feb 11
Good morning, thanks for responding. We should never give up on learning even if what i learned wasn't tue,lol.
@cathy1990 (220)
• Philippines
2 Feb 11
yah, there are always a first time on everything.
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@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
2 Feb 11
Thanks for responding.We live & learn every day. We never get too old for that, thank heavens.
@jillhill (37354)
• United States
1 Feb 11
When I was in confirmation...our pastor was an old army chaplain during WWII....he made sure we knew the Bible before he would confirm us....and to this day I remembe alot about what he taught us....I have in one of my bedrooms....the legend of the Dogwood..its one of my favorite poems....I did know about the Dogwood trees!
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@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
1 Feb 11
Thanks for responding, Jill. I love dogwood trees but had never heard this before. It doesn't appear to be true from the responses i'm getting.
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@sparkofinsanity (20471)
• Regina, Saskatchewan
1 Feb 11
It is amazing to me how stories, legends and heresay become part of religious doctrine or pastoral belief.
When I read your discussion I did some research and found:
"This tree (the dogwood) is also the subject of an old Christian legend. According to the old stories, the Dogwood tree used to grow large and tall. It was compared in size and shape to an oak tree. At the time of the Crucifixion, it was said that wood from the Dogwood tree was selected to fashion the cross. This distressed and saddened the Dogwood tree so much that Jesus took pity on the tree, and promised that Dogwood trees will never again grow large enough to use the wood for a cross. It will be twisted and bent. The four petals of the flowers will form the shape of a cross, with two long petals and two short ones. In the center of each petal edge, a rusty nail mark will be cut, the bracts in the center will resemble a crown of thorns, with blood-red berries the result.
As lovely as the story is, Dogwood trees did not grow in Palestine, and the legend can be traced to the early 20th century."
www.davesgarden.com/guides/articles/view/1049/
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@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
1 Feb 11
hI, tHANKS FOR RESPONDING & YOUR RESEARCH. I think u know i don't do all that research on the computer. I am not technology smaert, lol like u are. I appreciate the info but will admit i really liked the story.Isn't it strange how stories van even get started in church.Hope all is well w/u. I shouldn't ask because i know the anser but 'are u behaving'??. Thanks again, good to hear from u.
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@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
3 Feb 11
I hadn't heard that, but I have read that the dogwood flower has long been a symbol for His cross, having the four "bloodstained" petals in that shape. The passion flower is another such symbol.
Christians are fond of finding symbols everywhere, out of love of all things He made, to spread the word. Many plants & animals are used in this manner. Take the pelican, who reaches into her pouch to feed her hatchlings what food she has caught. She symbolizes the Church, who feeds her children from deep within, the spiritual "food" of Heavenly wisdom. The list is virtually endless...& of course, virtually everyone knows that the fish is a Christian symbol for the Church.
It's an endearing game, really, & it's fun to discover new ones I haven't known.
Maggiepie
“During times of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” ~ George Orwell "1984"
@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
3 Feb 11
Thanks for responding, Maggie. Seems as this is just a legend about the dogwood but i did find it interesting. Hadn't heard the one about the pelican either. I find these things quite interesting. Hope u have a good day.
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@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
3 Feb 11
I guess i should but just don't. It takes me forever to get my work done in the house & after that i do mylot & emails & that takes up most of my days. Have a good one.
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@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
4 Feb 11
I admit i'm pretty picky about the way my house looks. This old peabrain of mine would not keep alot of new knowledge, lol.
@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
2 Feb 11
yes, when i was little, my mom pointed it out when we saw a dogwood tree. it seems they used to grow really tall but since then, they are small delicate trees. also, when they bloom, the flowers look like tiny crosses with blood on them.
@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
2 Feb 11
Good morning , Bon, thanks for responding. Seems from all the responses i have gotteh this is a fable, legend or whatever u want to call it. Have a great day.
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@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
2 Feb 11
Thanks for responding. I love learning new things even at my old age, lol.
@AmorousPrince (44)
• Philippines
2 Feb 11
It's true that no one really knows what sort of tree the cross was made from, but a person's conviction can be quite convincing... Think of job interviews when you don't know what you're saying, and your prospect employer doesn't get you, but you sound so sure that you get hired. It has happened to me before. :-)
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@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
2 Feb 11
Thanks for responding & welcome to mylot. Hope u enjoy it as much as i do. It was a good sounding story, lol.