Houses burned down: Accident or Premeditated
By sweet_pea
@sweet_pea (3322)
Philippines
February 16, 2011 1:52am CST
It has been a familiar news on local TV about houses being burned down. The last fire that hit Quezon City at Agham Road left thousands of family homeless. The reason of the fire up to now is still undetermined.
I really wonder if this has got to do with the project of having a Central Business District in Quezon City similar to the Bonifacio Global City in Taguig, where informal settlers or squatters will be relocated to give way to sky-rise buildings.
In my opinion, it is more easier to evict informal settlers by setting fire and let their houses burn rather than having a demolition team demolish their houses. They usually fight back in this case. Like what happened a few months ago, where a lot of people were injured in a Quezon City demolition clash.
Do you think the fires are just accidents or are they premeditated to easily evict the informal settlers in the area?
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10 responses
@SIMPLYD (90721)
• Philippines
16 Feb 11
If the Central Business District in Quezon city will be located on the same site as the fire then it's most likely to be intentionally burned. But that's arson and they could be punished for that.
And if that is true, how can they do that to those poor people. Not only were their house burned but also all their belongings. They could have demolished their houses, because they can still have their belongings. But burning the place. . . how cruel.
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@sweet_pea (3322)
• Philippines
16 Feb 11
This is not the first time this thing happened in QC. And those affected are in the slums. The government have relocation sites for them. In fact, the government also have a program where they can go home to their provinces with some money to start a new life there. Still they prefer to stay here, because they say there are more opportunities. I think if the government have sustainable projects in the provinces, people wouldn't flock in the big city to find work.
What is so sad about this , more than the material things that were lost, there are people who lost there lives in the process.
@SIMPLYD (90721)
• Philippines
16 Feb 11
Yes, burning those houses also means loss of some lives and it means murder too.
@louievill (28851)
• Philippines
16 Feb 11
I think big fires happen more on informal settlers or depressed areas simply because there is no good planning on this places, let me site the reasons, houses are in close proximity so fire spreads rapidly, since there is no planning, almost all have small streets or none at all but simply small passes making it impossible for fire fighters to enter, most houses are built from light materials, there is no electrical planning so most houses do not have fuse boxes or circuit breakers so they just tap anywhere they want with sub standard wires, worst most put up jumpers or illegal connections that over load the systems, most even do not have electricity so they use candles, increasing the risk. Most informal settlements rely on a common deep well that make reserving water very difficult, they find buying and reloading fire extinguishers a luxury.
Although there is a possibility of an arson theory, I would not stick to it cause this happens at random on all informal settlements around the country, another thing, don't the politicians use this people for votes to win an election?
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@sweet_pea (3322)
• Philippines
17 Feb 11
Yes you are right! Politicians use them during elections. Saying sweet promises to them that they would help them have a better life. But in the end this politicians would evict them from their dwellings.
You pointed out so many reasons why these fires happened which are all true. People in the slums wouldn't even bother to buy a fire extinguisher since they are more concerned in finding food for their family.
What really got me thinking is out of the 16 cities comprising Metro Manila. How come QC had the most number of fires in the last 6 months? The effects of the fire damage are really massive. To me it seems, they are clearing out the slums particularly to an area they are eying to develop into a central business district.
I hope it is just coincidence and not a desperate move just to have this project pushed through.
@anne25penn (3305)
• Philippines
16 Feb 11
In squatter places like these it is always said that the fires are premeditated so that the informal settlers will leave the place. But knowing these informal settlers, no matter how many times you burn their place down, they will not leave. Why? It's because they have no place to go. The relocation sites that the government offers to them they refuse flat out for so many reasons. And firefighters can only do so much to quell fires in places like these because the fires spread so fast because of the materials used for the houses.
It's hard to say that the fires are premeditated. You have seen how crowded these places are, and most are made from makeshift materials. In a small room where there are usually around eight to ten people, that is also where they cook. I also know that the electric wires are a nightmare in these places. I am not discriminating here. I have been to such places and whenever I leave I always ask myself why these people still have so many children when their living conditions are so poor. They are offered relocation sites where they may have decent dwellings but they either sell these or refuse because they don't want to leave.
@sweet_pea (3322)
• Philippines
17 Feb 11
It is really irritating when you help people have better lives but they don't help themselves. I think the reason why some of them don't want to go to relocation sites is because the area is far from where they work and that there is no livelihood income available for them. Well the government has to improve in this area of providing sustainable living to them so they don't get coming back to the same place they were evicted.
@cream97 (29086)
• United States
16 Feb 11
Hi. sweet_pea. I would have to be following this story profusely to know what is really going on. I can tell you that this is no accident. Someone is causing this. But whom? And why? And we already know the reason why: They are evil, plain and simple. It is so sad. The government needs to get strict security enforcement from this terror. It is very sad that people just want to destroy each other. My prayers go out to the families that have lost their homes.
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@sweet_pea (3322)
• Philippines
17 Feb 11
Some people are also silly. They settle to places they don't own. They are offered decent dwellings. Still, they refuse. They don't know they are putting their lives at stake here.
@ybong007 (6643)
• Philippines
16 Feb 11
We can't really tell. We will only know if there's truth to allegations that it's premeditated if someone involved will come out in the open and tell the public about it. Until that happens, I would surmise that all fires in the slum areas are caused by negligence of some of its dwellers. Personally, I think there's a chance that there could be people behind fires since it's more cost saving than to pay all those dwellers or even if you have to go to court to claim your land with squatters. There were rumors that some owners of business establishments would burn their own buildings to claim insurance. That's just a rumor though, but as they say, if there's smoke there's fire.
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@sweet_pea (3322)
• Philippines
17 Feb 11
If it is premeditated, I don't think they would come out of the open because they would fear for their lives and their families as well. Or they would have accepted money and would go to a far off place to live. They wouldn't want to face the fury of those who lost their homes.
In western countries, they sometimes resort to arson just to claim insurance. However, in our country, insuring your house is not a common thing. People don't think that insurance is that important.
If ever it is an accident, fires would really spread that fast because houses here specially in the slums are just too near to each other and are made of light weight materials. The alleys are so narrow that people would have a hard time fleeing. It is definitely a fire trap.
@HarryS88 (31)
• Indonesia
16 Feb 11
Hello,
I am not a Phillipino, but in my opinion, someone commits arson because of many reasons. One blatant reason is what you said above, that is to evict the neighboring informal settlers. Second reason is to get insurance payment. With that said, the owner of a house who pays an insurance might deliberately burn his own house to get insurance payment. Do you get what I mean?
If the insurance company is suspicious to the claimer (the owner of the house), they can report this fact to the police and the police will investigate this. Commonly, the police will soon know if the house is deliberately or accidentally burned down. The arsonist will be held guilty before the court.
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@sweet_pea (3322)
• Philippines
17 Feb 11
Hi Harry! Welcome to Mylot!
In most western countries, people usually have insurance. And some out of greediness, sometimes cheat just to claim money from them. Others, even kill their partners just to claim insurance money.
Anyway in my country, most people don't find insurance important. They hardly invest on insurance plans. Others are wary about it because some insurance companies closed down even before the policyholders can claim their benefit.
@beamer88 (4259)
• Philippines
16 Feb 11
I guess we will never know for certain, but the coincidences are so glaring. Each time the city government plans to relocate the informal settlers in order for the property to be used, fires always erupt. Personally, I think they are premeditated. It's a very convenient way to remove the shanties. I wish I could sympathize with the squatters, but I feel that they did it to themselves. They know it was illegal to put up shanties on any property that they don't own.
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@sweet_pea (3322)
• Philippines
17 Feb 11
If there really are good livelihood programs or job opportunities in the provinces, I think our kababayans wouldn't even think of going to the big city. I know most of them even have lands of their own in the provinces. If government money is put to these programs rather to the pockets of government officials, most of us would be self-sufficient and wouldn't even bother to flock to the city.
@doryvien (2284)
• United States
16 Feb 11
Hi Sweet,
It actually occurred to me that it could have been pre-meditated but I felt that it was so evil of me to even consider it. But if we try to be realistic, it's actually easier to drive the informal settlers that way than by going through the process, coz as you said, more often than not they fight back. I just hope that the local gov't will be able to find a better option for these people so they can start their lives again.
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@sweet_pea (3322)
• Philippines
17 Feb 11
The government do have programs for them Doryvien. They are offered money to just go home to their provinces or they be relocated. But it seems they don't want any of the two options. So what option does the government have?
@sweet_pea (3322)
• Philippines
21 Feb 11
Hi Bounce! Unfortunately, these people are informal settlers or squatters. They settled on a lot that they don't own. Having house insurance in my country is not a priority since most of the people living in the slums hardly have enough money to buy food much more a house insurance. Our government is offering them relocation but they just don't want to leave.
@visavis (5934)
• Philippines
16 Feb 11
Actually it is easy to say that they set up such fire for some reasons like what you said and the possibility is there. Not only in Agham a few days ago also some more than 2000 families lost their house in the fire at Bahay Toro in QC also. We cannot pointed our finger to them (authorities) that fire was premeditated as I said the possibility was there. SO now what we can do is wait and see... see you around
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@sweet_pea (3322)
• Philippines
17 Feb 11
Hmmm..but is it just coincidence that these fires frequently happen in QC? Most of the fires I see on the news are in this area. There are so many cities in Metro Manila, why are there more fires in QC? Besides, I never heard that anyone was ever punished for these fires.