No wonder they have difficulties losing weight
By suspenseful
@suspenseful (40192)
Canada
February 23, 2011 8:51am CST
I was watching part of the Doctors and Dr Oz yesterday. I was not paying much attention but then on Dr. Oz he started to talk about the dangers of belly fat. There was this young lady who had the fat in the wrong places. She got a copy of the Insanity exercise program. Now I saw the Insanity program on Tv and it is well intense. I mean you have to be on tip top condition to do it. I then thought of a book I got and it says that for many with Type 2 Diabetes and those with Pre-Diabetes, just walking even at a brisk pace does not work. They have to do very fast spurts like running to gain a sweat for 45 seconds.
Now I know that if you were very fat and got Diabetes that way, you can walk and lose weight, because even just moving a bit gets you sweating.
But what about those who have those conditions and do not look fat? My father was a good walker not a couch potato, and yet he got Diabetes 2 and possibly the symptoms were starting to gain weight. That walking should have prevented hm from getting it and he did not eat junk food.
I came to the conclusion that if diabetes runs in your family or you have the gene for it, you need the high intensity programs like Insanity to lose weight the other programs will not do as they would for those who got diabetes because they are very obese. What do you think?
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@lovinangelsinstead21 (36850)
• Pamplona, Spain
23 Feb 11
Hiya suspenseful,
Sounds very tough that program. With weight I think it´s such a personal thing to each of us. I don´t think that there is one particular remedy for this kind of thing. All of us have to find what works best for us as if it works for one it might not work for us but I suppose we can try it out anyway.
I´m no expert in any of this of course everyone is free to choose a Video or Dvd and work at it.
They say that resistance training like pushing against a wall is good for resistant weight problems see there are so many of them we could all go barmy trying to find which one suits us.
Also weight lifting every other Day is a good one too. Who knows?
@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
26 Feb 11
It is just that I sometimes feel I have more against me then those who got that way through eating a lot. For instance it is easy to say get eight hours of sleep a night and you will get rid of your pre diabetic stage. But it is harder then my giving up the packaged food that just ate on Sundays, and cooking myself and freezing enough to last for a while and making a salad, or cutting up some carrots and celery and peppers, etc. For me, that takes no time at all. I have no trouble exercises, dancing, or running around from the living room to the bedroom in spurts, but even when I go to bed, and lay on my pillow, it takes five minutes to half an hour get asleep ;and one to two hours i am awake, go to the washroom, and another one to two hours the same thing happens. So there goes that 8 hours of uninterrupted sleep.
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@lovinangelsinstead21 (36850)
• Pamplona, Spain
26 Feb 11
Hiya suspenseful,
I can get to feel like that when I see these lot in my House eating anything they want and they don´t suffer for it whereas I do. I cannot tolerate Crisps and greasy things never have been able to either.
I can see what you mean. But I reckon because we are all so different really it´s not so much what our Body is it´s what we are like ourselves inside. What I mean is that it is so important to love ourselves first no matter what kind of figure we have. That´s my way of seeing it anyway.
Luckily if I get a Night like that where I cannot sleep all through the Night I stay in Bed for as long as I can and if I do have to get up to go to the Bathroom I go straight back to Bed again no coming on here to write for example things like that to keep me awake even more.
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@lovinangelsinstead21 (36850)
• Pamplona, Spain
24 Feb 11
Hiya suspenseful,
I can see you really do work hard at all that too. I think that every Person can train to a certain point but maybe you need help I do anyway to see my way past my weak points that need working on.
At the moment I am just moving and stretching a little here and there. Walking is what I do the most and dancing around a bit. It seems to suit me better.
Suppose also that you have to like what you are doing as well.
I think that if we stick to the ordinary foods as fresh as possible and not all out of packets we can stay quite healthy.
I don´t trust those so called Diet Foods with no sugar in I am very wary of those ones so I eat the ordinary food but a bit less sometimes and I have an almost fruit Day two Days a week. Not too much Fruit right away though I think you have to have time to get used to it.
Everyone is so different what works for you is not likely to work for me. You have a lot of determination though I will give you that ten out of ten for determination.
Take care now. xxx
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@carmelanirel (20942)
• United States
23 Feb 11
That's a scary thought, because though I do walk my puppies and get some exercise, I rarely have time for an intense program and diabetes does run in my family..But I do watch what I eat and how much, sometimes..lol
@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
24 Feb 11
Sounds like we are defeated before we start. I am thinking of the cost and what it takes out of you to do those intense exercises. I mean I could do those six minute exercises or those six week makeovers; where they have this light plastic rope that you pull over and you just need a five lb weight to get muscle, but with that PBX and that Insanity, either I have to buy more weights and make sure that I can boost myself on the door without it falling down on me.
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@carmelanirel (20942)
• United States
24 Feb 11
Oh, I think the only cost I would have to pay is the cost of time. Like I said, I have these two puppies, plus I love to dance, I can easily get my heart rate up, but with school and house work and taking care of my son, my time is limited...:(
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@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
25 Feb 11
I love to dance and do not get to do it too much except by myself. As for puppies, I still have not got over losing our dog and besides I want to travel a bit. I find it hard to get my heart up even when walking fast, so for me dancing would be a good thng.
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@cher913 (25782)
• Canada
24 Feb 11
that is nice in theory but not everyone can do that. i am trying to loose weight but i also have fibromyalgia and cant do alot but i do run up and down our stairs (we live in a 5 story townhouse) and will start walking more when the weather gets nicer.
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@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
26 Feb 11
As I said some find it harder then most and have to work harder, but we all cannot. That is why it gets depressing when I read for those that diabetes two runs in their family, just walking normally for thirty minutes will not do it, but we have to walk fast, do fast spurt intervals, and perhaps jump in place for ten or more seconds. Of course, if you are in pain or have a bad knee, you cannot do it and do not get the results.
As for food, it is not "just stop eating junk food and processed food and eat just fresh or frozen natural foods and veggies, that will be all right." You first have to assume that we have given up the processed and junk and in some cases are not into iot, not assuming that we are doing exercises and reaching for that box of Pringles or that MacDonald's burger.
That is the trouble with the advise, they think we all got that way by pigging out on chips. And that we can all do the exercises with no trouble. And that we did not care about what we ate and still ate the same bad way.
@Anora_Eldorath (6028)
• United States
24 Feb 11
Cher-
My husband has osteo arthritis and some days can be worse than others. It was one reason he suggested we go on Atkins. He had done it during his military days with great success and I've had a ton. We've both lost weight by simply changing the way we eat (and we actually get to eat more lol). I've only recently added in extra things like dancing, and weight training. We do a lot of walking as well outside when the weather is nice and when his knees are bad he just whips out the cane and we take slower walks. It's a common misnomer that all someone has to do is exercise to lose weight. If they are eating poorly no amount of exercise will work.
Take Care. Namaste-
Anora
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@ElicBxn (63643)
• United States
23 Feb 11
Everyone is probably tired of hearing my personal vendetta against corn, but I've met thin people with high blood pressure and even the orientals, who haven't had a history of type 2 diabetes, are being affected by it since they have introduced so much into their diets.
I, on the other hand, am over weight and more often running low than high in my blood sugars.
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@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
24 Feb 11
I am not that much overweight, that is, I do not look that way, but diabetes is in my family. And I find it hard to find good healthy food at a reasonable price. I think you are right about corn. I just have it on the cob or fresh now, but it is so sweet that one does not need that much. But it seems that corn syrup is in everything. That means I have to give away that can spaghetti sauce I got on sale. I do make my own, but I find I will also have to pick up a better food processor or blender. It is not easy being healthy.
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@Dasari100 (3791)
• Anantapur, India
24 Feb 11
i think now a days majority of them suffering with heavy weight so i think they can need to take some methods to reduce their weight, isn't it?
@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
24 Feb 11
Of course, but this is not about they have to lose their weight. We already know that. This is about what works for people that have diabetes in their family and whose weight gain leads to that and they do not need to gain a lot, and with those whose diabetes is not in their family have no trouble losing weight.
@Anora_Eldorath (6028)
• United States
23 Feb 11
Well, for starters, most people are pre-diabetic because they are consuming products (even healthy ones) with HFCS. We already know from studies that have been done that HFCS creates a problem at the cellular level and prevents the body from properly using glucose and causing people to release too much insulin into their system. We also know from studies done that people who have a high carb diet that is comprised of a lot of processed carbs tend to develop diabetes regardless of their overall health. You can run all you want but if you are taking in food that is being converted to fat instantly, you will NEVER burn it off. That is the dangers of a high processed food diet.
Though exercise is always a benefit for the reasons listed, one needs to start out with what they are eating. Even if you are eating healthy if you have too many carbs (even good carbs) your body is going to start saving those carbs as fats. Too much glucose in the system simply trains the body to burn sugar for energy and not fat. Again, this all seems common sense but even the FDA still has us consuming too many carbs and not enough protein, and almost void of fats. We need carbs, proteins, and yest fats to operate. Our brain for example NEEDS fat in order to function.
So, if people know that diabetes runs in the family, which yes it is genetic but that does not mean we will become diabetic ourselves, one should begin taking proper measures. Eating all non processed foods is the best place to start. Start reading the labels because you'll find that just because something is labeled "healthy" does not mean it is healthy. I only recently began looking closely at yogurt and found out that my favorite yogurt of all time had HFCS as the first ingredient, and contained all of the calories from 19 grams of SUGAR. I now buy yogurt that contains no sugar at all and mix in fresh berries.
It is a lifestyle change, and one that I really do hold the government partially accountable. The government allowed HFCS to make its nasty way into our food supply and we know that it is causing serious health issues and yet it is still there. In a sense, the "obesity epidemic" as they so love to call it on the news is partially created by the government corn deals.
You can get all of this information if you do a search on Reuters Health as they have a host of articles on this subject in particular.
Namaste-Anora
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@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
26 Feb 11
The trouble is that you are talking from the perspective of someone who got that way by eating the wrong food willingly and not by someone who did not know that with their genetic condition that they have to be extra careful even though they do not look fat. And that does no good. It puts the guilt the people who ate the wrong food willingly on those who had no choice. I was also mainly talking bout exercise and how we have to work harder. And that walking for thirty minutes at a time wold not cut it unless we run for 15 or more seconds at a time. I do read labels and make sure what I buy is healthy and try to get organic if possible. But we have it easier here then in the States. Much of the additives down there are not in their food up here.
Also if diabetes is just about what is in the food, one has to be living here for a while to get it to affect you. I have friends with the gene for diabetes who were only here for ten years or less. According to you, they should not get it even if they eat healthy. And my father lived in Europe during his formative years. He still had the gene and eventually got diabetes when he was in his seventies. Me I got the warning that I was pre diabetic and had high sugar in my sixties. I did try the Atkins diet in my twenties and went crazy. I guess I need carbs, that is the comp[lex carbs.
Oh and organic food should be cheaper. You would not realize the prices they charge up here in our organic section.
@Angel3yes (455)
• United States
24 Feb 11
I agree with the majority of the comments that you have made on here but it still brings us back to the question of quantity versus quality. A bag of fresh fruit is much more expensive that a few boxed meals that can last through a week. The economy hasn't exactly added much incentive to this whole fresh fruit and eating healthy. It seems as if there are more and more alternatives to eating healthy out there but they certainly are priced in a manner that not everyone can afford to feed a full family on these alternatives.
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@Anora_Eldorath (6028)
• United States
24 Feb 11
Angel-
I totally agree with you save that I can spend the same amount of monies (using sales) and get decent food for me and my family. I used to believe I could not do it but I found that I could. I also found that if I read labels I could avoid certain things. The question was about if all this was genetic or not, and I believe that it is partially genetic but that a lot of the issues that are causing diabetes in this country are due to the chemicals and crap being put in our food supply. If we want to change it we need to force the government to take it back out.
I just felt like I had something to offer on this thread though. I hope I have not offended.
Namaste-
Anora
Suspenseful-I was just answering your original question from my own perspective. I do not doubt that you try to eat healthy. What I was commenting on (and even Dr. Oz has pointed this out on his website) is that there are alot and I mean A LOT of foods on the market right now that are marketed as healthy that are NOT healthy. People simply need to read their labels.
And my diet is not a "diet" in terms of crash diets. I've read through the new book put out on Atkins written by two physicians who both have served on boards for some time and have been studying this for some time. I have made a lifestyle change that I once thought impossible. I once used the excuse that I could not afford to eat healthy. I once used the excuse that processed foods in moderation were fine. I have come to realize that was a lie to myself. I could eat healthy if I read labels and gave up fast food and everything processed. However, that does not mean I am GIVING UP food. I don't have to give up anything that I enjoy if it is natural food. I still have delicious meals, and I even make low carb desserts. However, I do not use anything processed. There is a difference between going on crash diets, starving yourself, etc and simply making smart food choices.
I do agree that people who may be pre-disposed to diabetes should be aware, but I feel all people regardless of health should be aware of their food choices. And in terms of additives, HFCS, and the like I really truly believe we the people of the US should stand up and make the government take all that crap out of our food. And as I told Angel I believe they should change this country around and make healthy food readily available and inexpensive.
Namaste-Anora
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@KrauseHome (36447)
• United States
25 Feb 11
Well, what most people need to remember most, is that Diabetes is a lot of times genetic and for the most part there is nothing you can do, but there are a lot of people developing it more and more these days just by Poor choices on the foods they eat along with the amounts you eat as well. Most people tend to forget that if you just choose to excercise a lot without changing your eating patterns some it is harder to loose the weight and if you ever quit it will all come back on a lot faster. I think the Best help for teaching anyone, not just someone who is Diabetic and wanting to loose weight is Biggest Loser. For me they give some of the Best advice to excercise and food than you can ever find or get anywhere else.
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@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
25 Feb 11
I think a lot of people and health professional thinks that everyone who got diabetes got it by eating the wrong food, and eating too much of it. And they sort of include the genetic ones as well. I used to hear about it years ago when instead of sayng that a family had a tendency to diabetes and they could not eat sugary stuff that it was because they were making pigs of themselves and they figured the family who was skinny and never got diabetes, did that through their good health habits. Then I found a lot of those skinnies could go through all the potato chips, coke, etc. without gaining a lb and yet we have to watch what we eat.
Now I find that what I was to avoid I should eat more of and what I was told to eat more of, I should eat.
Maybe it is an allergy to sugar. Or maybe my system cannot tolerate sugar that much.
@doryvien (2284)
• United States
27 Feb 11
Hi Suspenseful,
I've been on and off a diet and exercise routine. I've lost and gained back some pounds, I get frustrated, stop and think, and then go back to exercising. I know that physical activity has more benefits than just losing weight, the best one being that it keeps you a notch away from these diseases. But I don't think I can ever follow such an intense program(the one you mentioned). I guess I'll settle for brisk walking and some aerobics at least 3x a week. Diabetes was never in my family's genes, but I know that you also get it in other ways if you're not careful with what you eat. The key is really to maintain a healthy lifestyle - this is very difficult for me because I love sinful foods like chocolates, cakes and anything sweet.
@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
1 Mar 11
I often wonder why some can eat all the sinfully stuff I love and are perfectly healthy. I get the feeling that I have to eat more vegetbles, drink more milk, do more exercises to get the same results. I have to walk fast every day of the week, and do weight training three times a week and have to eat six small meals a day not just three to get my metobolic reved up. I wish I got do those power exercises the others can do. In the book it suggested yoga and I thought What? It may relieve stress, but t the response of my not losing any weight by standing in a weird posture.
@Ceekay1989 (323)
• United States
24 Feb 11
I didn't see this episode of Dr. Oz, but it sounds like it was worth watching. Diabetes I guess technically does run in my family, I only know of my grandmother having it but not anyone else, I'm not sure... but either way I wish I had time to do a work out like that it seems I always have belly fat despite being skinny ohter areas of my body. I just can't get rid of belly fat, its the hardest thing. I'm going to go look up this training because it might be my solution. thanks for this article I didn't even know about it! here i go on my way to banish belly fat. arghhh.
@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
25 Feb 11
I think it depends on where your ancestors live. If your ancestors were Jewish or lived in the Middle East where there were lots of date trees and the grapes turned into raisins, you would not get diabetes because there were so many sweet things around. The same if they used a lot of honey because it was practically dripping off the trees.
The author of the book speaks about our ancestors hunting and running down game, but that was if one's ancestors were either African Negroes or American Natives. But what if your ancestors were Europeans. They were not running down game, but they had to climb a tree to get honey, and the only sweetness they got otherwise was from carrots, parsnips, or fruit in the late spring and summer months.
I will have to see whether the Cds are available in Canada. Now all I have to see if the door jams are strong enough.