English 101
By alaskanray
@alaskanray (4636)
United States
February 24, 2011 11:03am CST
In working PTC websites, I deal with a lot of foreign website owners who, for obvious reasons, lack a firm grasp of proper English. This becomes painfully apparent when I go into a website and am informed that "There is no more ads to click on"!
Okay, first of all, "ads" is plural. This means that "is" should be "are". This is something that can really bug me.
Another site tells me to click on the "adds". "Adds" is a math term. "Ads" is short for "advertisements". "Adds" is a verb. "Ads" is a noun.
I don't know about you but, for me, a site not using proper English tends to make me a little less likely to trust it. Simple little things like proper verb usage can really make a difference in the success of a website.
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8 responses
@zralte (4178)
• India
24 Feb 11
I agree that a bad English can really put me off. I'm not talking about conversational-wise. Lord knows my English is not perfect, and I do make mistakes.
When you are trying to make money on your website, I think it is important to get it right, in any language, be it English, French, Hindi, whatever. And since I don't understand other International Language other than English, I can only say that if you are making a website to make money, please make sure that you use correct English. It does not have to be 100% Queen's English or even 100% grammatically correct, but the error should not be so obvious.
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@alaskanray (4636)
• United States
24 Feb 11
Yes, especially when you are in business, proper English is a must. I come from Alaska where we have a huge Filipino community. I worked with Filipinos all the time and they always had very good English because they cared enough to learn the rules governing good English. Just because we are online is no excuse to get sloppy over proper language.
@alaskanray (4636)
• United States
1 Mar 11
When I was in school we had to diagram sentences. This helped us see the relationship between the subjects, objects, verbs and adjectives. For example:
"there are lots of people who does not speak or write English properly"
You have excellent command of the language and I say this only in an effort to help you improve since you obviously care. Just for future reference, "speak or write" refers to what "people" do. "People" is plural, therefore the plural "to be" verb is "do" and not "does".
I don't know how much sentence diagramming you have done in your English lessons but it was an exercise that I always enjoyed and it helped me immensely in developing my command of the language. I have friends and family always commenting on how good my command of the language is. I credit my hours of diagramming sentences. I actually found it fun, to tell the truth.
@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
26 Feb 11
I hear you! I, too, want to see professionalism in business. I think it's partly the fault of public schools, who--afraid to damage widdle bitty childwen's self esteee--eeem--refuse to correct incorrect grammar & spelling, so much so that one now sees "typos" on bill-frikkin'-boards, for cryin' out loud, & in countless other "professional" media! It isn't the foreigners who bug me, though, it's the native English speakers/writers! They should know better!
I really resent it because when I went to school, teachers taught us to correct such errors, & I spent long hours learning the rules, only to live long enough to see them debased! Grrr!!!
Maggiepie
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." ~ Voltaire
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@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
27 Feb 11
Well, yeah, but it still frosts me!
Maggiepie
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." ~ Voltaire
@alaskanray (4636)
• United States
26 Feb 11
Well, you know that education is not the purpose of public schools, don't you? The purpose of public schools is controlling the masses and subverting the role of parents.
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@Chiang_Mai_boy (3882)
• Thailand
25 Feb 11
While correct usage is important it is also important to recognize that the primary function of English or any other language is the communication of information. Grammar, word order. tenses and all the rest are secondary to the ability to communicate in an understandable fashion.
I am not trying to minimise the importance of correct English usage but I do recognize that there are far more people who employ English as a second language or as a foreign language than there are people tha are native English speakers. Their first hurdle is to be able to communicate their ideas effectively. Once they have accomplished that they can begin to refine their English language skills.
It is important to applaud the efforts of those who are trying to use English and not discourage them with harsh criticism.
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@alaskanray (4636)
• United States
25 Feb 11
I do encourage people. This isn't about the average joe but the business owner and the written word. While I can understand errors in the spoken arena or in a relaxed forum like mylot, when you are opening a professional website you have an option to get help making sure it looks proper. Basics like verbs vs nouns and plural vs singular are easy to fix, too, which is exactly why it is so important for anyone operating a website to make sure it is done right. When there are freelance editors and proofreaders out there available for hire, there is no excuse for such simple errors like these.
@alaskanray (4636)
• United States
25 Feb 11
It is really sad when typos and grammatical errors get past the editors, especially if it's something so basic that an average joe like me can spot it! I can tolerate some of the gray areas where it isn't so obvious like the use of who/whom or effect/affect (I still have trouble with effect/affect) but something as basic as a verb vs a noun should never make it past an editor or proofreader!
@glitterwings (144)
• United States
25 Feb 11
I completely agree with you! I cannot STAND it when people use incorrect English! I understand the common citizen of a foreign country not speaking English well, but if you are going to run a global business, you need to know English without making mistakes!
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@alaskanray (4636)
• United States
25 Feb 11
Proper language really makes a difference in your social standing, too. The story of Pygmalion made this point very clear and it was a true point. Pygmalion may have been a fiction but the principles it taught were very true!
@QeeGood (1213)
• Sweden
25 Feb 11
I believe it can be seen from at least two sides. Of course it looks much more trustworthy when a website has proper English. But what indications say because someone is using a well educated English doesn't mean that the person is honest.
It can still be a very cunning person not having honest intentions showing up a good face with perfect usage of English. As for a website with not grammatical correct English can be sincere and trustworthy. The language does not let you know who is honest. Over time you learn and experience who is sincere.
As you were pointing out proper English. I am aware of the level of my English.
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@alaskanray (4636)
• United States
25 Feb 11
I agree with you on that score. It is not the honesty that I call into question when I see poor language skills but skill. Running a website requires some education and intelligence and poor language (any language) belies that intelligence. A professional will consult someone to proof his language on his site before he will operate one if he is capable but lacks the language skills necessary.
@krajibg (11922)
• Guwahati, India
24 Feb 11
Hi alaskanray,
First thing I would tell you English is a funny language. No logic or specific rules count here but ironically your English has to be correct and comprehensible.
Today in the era of functional English and communications English we hardly make fuss over singular and plural forms of the words you mentioned.
That English is an international language is due to its flexibility. Anyway way you use with some grammatical application you can write good English.
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@alaskanray (4636)
• United States
24 Feb 11
Au contraire, my friend. English does have very specific rules. They may be different from the rules for other languages but they are there nonetheless. Present, past and future tenses as well as singular and plural verbs, verbs, nouns, adjectives, adverbs and conjunctions are all specific categories of words and terms. Anyone with good English knows this and to deny it is just ludicrous.
@DoctorDidi (7018)
• India
24 Feb 11
Except a few countries like India, most of the non-English countries have a few people who have a command over English and this is reflected in their websites.
@alaskanray (4636)
• United States
24 Feb 11
True. I remember working with a woman from the Philippines a few years back and she had the most impeccable English of anyone in the office, even those native born Americans. She quickly rose up the ranks from a simple receptionist to assistant to the director. Proper English does make a difference in your success in these sorts of venues.