Underage Facebook User

@zralte (4178)
India
February 25, 2011 2:42am CST
I have read in today's paper that a 13 year old boy in Mumbai, India has been suspended for abusing his school Principal on her Facebook Wall by posting abusive language!!! http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/Student-abuses-principal-on-FB-suspended/articleshow/7551692.cms The parents said that it was not their son, but his friend who posted it, and that the principal also use abusive language on her reply. To which the principal replied that it's not her, it is her daughter and that her daughter was so angry at the boy that she replied. The parents also complaint that they were called for a meeting in which they were just handed the School Leaving Certificate without waiting to hear their side of the story. What is your take on this? Me, I blame the boy's parents. He is underage, and he should be monitored. Last I heard, you need to be 18 years of age to register for most of the email service provider. And you can only sign up for Facebook account if you have an email. Now, I do understand that there are lots of children having their email ids, which I don't think is very much wrong. Whatever the case is, I think it is totally wrong of the parents to try and put the blame on the 'friend who came to the house to study with him'. Even if that were true, it still is their son's account. If they let him have an account, why not teach him the rules and safeguarding his identity? Gosh...so many things wrong with this piece of news that I cannot list them all. What do you think?
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@vastari (331)
• Ireland
25 Feb 11
On the one hand, Facebook explicitly says that nobody under the age of thirteen years old may have an account. This boy was 13, so he was perfectly within reason to have an account if he so desired. I think you might be mistake that email providers have a minimum age of 18, most of the ones I see have a similar minimum age to Facebook, being thirteen years of age. Simply saying it was the son's friend doesn't excuse the son himself. He should know how to protect his account and how to prevent people from getting online through his identity. If he can't look after his own Facebook account, how can he be expected to look after something more important. A similar point should be made about the Principal who states that it was his daughter posting under his profile. This is even more inexcusable. He's not only a fully grown adult, but he's also the principal of a school and should be well capable of keeping his image online and ensuring students are not insulted or abused through his own Facebook profile. Furthermore, I am sure there's some legal point which makes it generally inadvisable for a principal to add his students on Facebook. I know in Ireland teachers have gotten in trouble for far less than simply becoming friends with their students on Facebook, and I'd be surprised if there wasn't a similar thing in India. The principal should never have added the student as a friend in the first place.
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@zralte (4178)
• India
25 Feb 11
Oopsie...that shows how behind the times I am and well, that I never read anything important I was disturbed to say the least on reading that. Like you, I do think it is wrong for the principal to reply back, how much ever she claims that it's her daughter. It was convoluted, to say the least. I don't know about the Indian laws regarding the interaction between student and teacher, but I'm sure there would be.Indian lawmakers are great at making the laws, useful or otherwise. The problem is implementing the laws. I remember my professor telling us that India has the best Environmental Laws in the world, but the worst implementation.
@thesids (22180)
• Bhubaneswar, India
25 Feb 11
Hi zralte That was shocking but there is no one to be blamed. I mean you cannot start blaming the parents as the kid is 13 years and not a tot. The principal should have had a restraint while using the abusive language but why? She is quite senior and expected to behave maturely? It is the Abuse of Technology that is to be blamed where you can always get away with providing false documentation of your age, location etc and also the too high competition these days... I mean kids of 13 years should be playing outside not spending hours on the PC... The dark side of Technology. We rarely understand that there is a right age for anything... instead we take pride in sharing - my kid is a great PC gamer, or even my kid can get a Powerpoint presentation done in just a few minutes
@thesids (22180)
• Bhubaneswar, India
25 Feb 11
yup, parents should be blamed... but may I ask why? Probably both are busy earning for the better of the kid or maybe they are unknown to the real world of Internet. They got computers from class III in India but no one teaches you what is right or what is wrong. They might have installed net nanny or other softwares but then the kid can access internet from a local cafe for a mere INR 10.00 per hour. For the principal, I have no issues because she has every right to blast off anything... that is what FB, twitter etc tell you (see their adverts... they start off with similar to - express yourself) And my little (yes, very little experience with FB says that you can say anything... Havent you read of news where employees are sacked because they blast out at their bosses or jobs etc on FB? The kid is just 13 and so quite unaware of what all this can lead to... Good now that he has his lessons... but who knows... he may take it as "Ok so this is a better chance for me to spit out more rubble against all those who got me out of my school..." or better "Hey, this is the best way to get out of any school and so let me try out the next time too"
@zralte (4178)
• India
25 Feb 11
Well, thesid, you put my thoughts out much better than I could. That is what's bothering me: the misuse of technology. Kids learn things easily. But, as a parent, I think it is our duty to control and moderate their action especially when it comes to internet. And I am shocked at the action of the Principal. She should conduct herself more respectable or mature than that. Accepting a friend request from your 13 years old student is not what I would call appropriate for her. If it is a school network, fine; but social network like Facebook - I don't think so.
@zralte (4178)
• India
25 Feb 11
Well, if the principal is justified in blasting whatever, then the same should apply for the boy as well, surely. After all, it is a social networking site, and the principal need not have accepted her student's friend request. All in all, it still is a big shame that technology which is meant to help us and Facebook, which is meant to bring people closer together is creating this problem.
@dpk262006 (58678)
• Delhi, India
19 Apr 11
Some of the children are too naughty or of devil mind and sometimes they are (mis)guided by their senior friends to indulge in such acts. Parents should take the blame for mis(deeds) of their son, who tarnished the image of school Principle.
@dpk262006 (58678)
• Delhi, India
20 Apr 11
Yeah, you are right. It is more amazing to me that Principal used her daugther to reply.
@zralte (4178)
• India
20 Apr 11
Yeah and then proudly says it was not her who replied, but her daughter using her FB account....she should know better. That still does not excuse the boy's behaviour, but it puts her in a bad light. If she just kept quiet about it and may be just called the boy's parents and discussed with them, the matter would probably have a better effect on all youngsters involved.
@zralte (4178)
• India
20 Apr 11
It has been my opinion that the parent of the kid should take responsibility, but the Principal was also acting irresponsibly by letting her daughter reply to those messages (by her admission, it was her daughter who replied to them).
@zweeb82 (5653)
• Malaysia
25 Feb 11
So now the principal is the saint since it was not her but her daughter? But it's the boy's fault not his friend's fault? Haha!~What a joke, such dramaThen she says she didn't expel him but only suspended? Hmmm...does the media ever tell the whole truth? They are experts in specualtion
@zralte (4178)
• India
25 Feb 11
Whatever the truth might be - it will still be a sad truth. I don't think the boy deserves expulsion, not even a suspension. True, it is not right, but let's face it, a 13 year old boy is still a kid. A warning (to the parents as well) and some sort of punishment should probably do it.
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@zralte (4178)
• India
26 Feb 11
I agree. If they can have an account, they can certainly understand the importance of safeguarding their account and identity online. Not exactly rocket science for a 13 year old. After all, they are smart enough to open their account in the first place.
@mermaidivy (15394)
• United States
25 Feb 11
I think some people is really crazy about Facebook. I have seen some of my friends and relaitves create a facebook for their baby as soon as they were born, post pitures for them and stuff. Actually, my friend create a facebook profile for two of her dogs... that's kinda cute though that dogs can communicate on Facebook
@mermaidivy (15394)
• United States
25 Feb 11
That's true, it is how I keep in touch with my familes who is on the other side of the world. They can see my pictures and know how everybody is doing. I don't think I would want to do that for my baby, definitely don't want to introduce him the internet so early.
@zralte (4178)
• India
26 Feb 11
Yes, I mainly use Facebook now to keep in touch with my friends and families. I am living in the middle of nowhere as far as everyone is concerned - sort of living in alien place . Far away from my home state, and even farther away from my husband's family. Forget about my school friends and college friends who are in different parts of the world now. I am now connected to people I haven't seen or talked to for more than 10 years!! I thought of making an email id for my daughters when they were born, just so their names will be available for them when they needed. But then I thought, let them choose that, there are always different combinations to choose from. And as for making FB accounts, it did not even cross my mind. I mean, those who know them will be my friends and families, and they can see everything on my page.
@zralte (4178)
• India
25 Feb 11
Facebook has really been great for people. Because of its huge membership base and well different applications available, it is no wonder that people are addicted to it. I have been using a good deal of Facebook myself. I can keep track of my friends and family even 3000 miles away from them. True there has been social networking sites before FB and a lot more after. I have signed up on quite a few of them before FB came along. I no longer log in on any of them as only few of my friends use each one, but everyone seems to be using FB now. My mother-in-law even started using it!!! I've heard of someone making an FB page for their dog before. I think that is really cute. Making an account for a baby, however, is a bit over the top, IMHO.
@topffer (42156)
• France
25 Feb 11
Hello zralte, 13 years is the minimal age for Facebook. I found funny to see that he was suspended for words exchanged between him and the daughter of the principal. It is a bit ridiculous. Kids do not do exactly what parents want them to do today. I have no children, but I see it with my friends' children. A couple of friends who are anti-Facebook-oriented learned from other friends when they were taking the tea, that their 11 year son had an account on Facebook. They took the kid to his computer, canceled the account, and installed a stronger parental control software. The boy said me last month as a secret that he was again on Facebook under a fake name. I asked "how do you did ?" "-- I used my mother's password." As I said, parents do not do exactly what they want, but children can learn quickly with their friends how to safeguard their identity and to escape the control of their parents.
@zralte (4178)
• India
25 Feb 11
You are absolutely right, about children learning quickly, especially when it comes to bad things (or things considered bad). The thing that disturbed me most about this is that the parents blame a friend!! How can they expect their child to grow up and be an honest citizen? Even if it was the friend who had done it, they should be telling their child that it is still his responsibility as it is his account. And the principal saying it is her daughter replying back!!
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@topffer (42156)
• France
25 Feb 11
The only thing I understood here is that those teens are not under the control of their parents, but that these parents are very proud of their children.
@cream97 (29086)
• United States
26 Feb 11
Hi. zralte. I think that people that are underage should not be on Facebook, that are not supposed to. I don't understand how the principal's daughter was able to gain access to her mother's account just so that she could write back her response to what she thought that the boy wrote. This was really a friend of his that wrote this nasty response. This is so much of drama going on. I just feel that Facebook should not be a place where people just post nasty comments. It is always repercussions in the end.
@zralte (4178)
• India
26 Feb 11
Hi cream97, thank you for responding. I agree that it became such a drama, and I'm sure the media played it up as well. It is such a shame that Facebook, which is helping lots of people communicate is abused in this way. And why do people like to say nasty things to each other in the first place???
@danitykane (3183)
• Philippines
26 Feb 11
hi zralte, As early as nine, kids could own an email and a facebook account which by the way I find so ridiculous. I think this is something that we can't control since computer shops are just around the corner. Kids can go there and do what they want to do which in that case use facebook. Parents should be a little more strict with their kids and let them understand the consequences of exposing themselves on social networking sites.
@zralte (4178)
• India
26 Feb 11
I agree that it is difficult to control a child. When they really want something that is not allowed, they usually find a way to do it behind your back. That is why it is very important for a parent to let their children know the danger and consequences of their action. After starting this discussion, I am even more scared now of the time when my daughters will be old enough to use a computer.
@Cutie18f (9546)
• Philippines
26 Feb 11
That boy should be taught manners. He has no right to disrespect anyone, much more his own principal. He must be punished and taught some manners.
@zralte (4178)
• India
26 Feb 11
I agree; but expelling him from the school is not the best punishment, in my opinion. It might just make him rebellious.
• United States
25 Feb 11
Underage user's is growing by numbers today and I am referring to children under 13. I know several daily from my own distant family members who try to friend me on FB. Although it might be cute for the kiddos to friend me I do not see any of my friends interacting with them. Far more of the problem is the explicit information they are learning on FaceBook. My boyfriend and I live together for 6 years and he has a daughter in England and she is only 11 with a facebook account. While she visits us twice a year for a month at a time, I keep her so busy and off the computer. What her mother allows her to do in England is okay by her so I do not put any input. But can I tell you that a couple years ago, and mined you she was only 9 at the time, she came to visit and while I was out on errands she used my work Laptop to do so, not knowing that I had a keylogger for work purposes. The activity I noticed on there was enough to go through the roof. Long story is that at age 9 she was listed as a 24 year old. Bottom line while she is visiting we will not allow her to do certain things on the computer and one is Facebook. Which is what the parents in your discussion should be if anything is monitoring. So many parents today are not understanding what the children are engaging in. As believe me at age 9 I got the shock of my life and funny thing is what she was being asked to do she had no idea what the person was talking about, however she is 11 now and has perhaps evolved with technology. Sorry for my long story it just ravels me from time to time to hear about such things today.
@zralte (4178)
• India
26 Feb 11
Hi hardworkinggurl, that is indeed an eye opener for me. Thank you for sharing the story. Now I sort of have a vague idea what I will have to go through when my daughters are old enough to use computers. I never thought of it before, and would have gone down as the parent who does not know what her daughters are doing online, just like the parents I blame.
• United States
26 Feb 11
It is totally the parents fault/responsibility. If you (as parents) are worried about the activity of your underage children then monitor what they do and what sites they join. I for one believe 13 is too young to be involved on a social networking site. But in this story I believe is was wrong doing from the boy as well as the principal. The boy and his parents blame a friend, the principal blames her daughter. No one in this situation is being truthful and/or taking responsibility.
@zralte (4178)
• India
26 Feb 11
That is my feelings too. No one is taking responsibility, blame goes all around. Every one is at fault like I have mentioned in my previous responses.
• United States
25 Feb 11
first off, a 13 year old boy should not be using facebook to insult a principle. In fact, a 13 year old boy should not be using facebook at all. The parents are to be blamed for a situation like this. They need to monitor and teach their children on what they did and they need to tell them what is right and what is wrong. Too many of today's kids are using facebook in the wrong way and that results in situation as the link posted above. it's a sad situation, but that's how it is. I'm sure it is even harder in India because of the poverty level too.
@zralte (4178)
• India
26 Feb 11
That is my feelings too. Like I have mentioned, no one is right in the situation, in my opinion. But I blame the parents of the boy because ultimately it starts with them.