Do you agree that the more you earn the more you spend?

@scheng1 (24649)
Singapore
April 20, 2011 8:52am CST
When we were making very little, we wished that we can make more money, so that we had money to save. However, as we earned more and more, we seemed to have the same difficulty in not saving money. Do you agree that the more you earn the more you spend? How can you save regardless of making little or much?
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@anil02 (24688)
• India
21 Apr 11
Making earning is a thirst and hunger which is never satisfied. If your earning increase in AP your needs will increase in GP. Saving is must. The best way of saving is treat it like your other exp. When you make provision for your grocery bill make provision from your earning for saving. Take saving as obligation like your electricity bill etc.
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
22 Apr 11
Hi Anil02, I think culture plays a very great part in the spending and saving habit of individuals. In China, the household saving rate is very high. So much so that the government has to remind them to spend money, or else the economy will never grow. The fact is that without a social security safety net, without any form of subsidy, and retirement pension, people have to save. In many western countries, people think they can rely on government to feed them when they are old and sick.
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@anil02 (24688)
• India
22 Apr 11
I am from India, our tradition teach us about the saving. In India saving is a habit. Banks pay enough interest on our saving. Govt of India also issue many plans for the public to invest. In India govt not help to much to old and sick. Our family system are nice one so old leave with their spouses and need not any help from government. Some person make provision for their old age by investing in pension plans. Saving is good habit it make you confident. Every one must save a part of his earning for the future.
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@mythociate (21432)
• Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
23 Apr 11
I disagree. "Investing" is what you want to do with your money (although--with the right plan--it's very-much like 'saving.') I think of Lord Jesus Christ's parable of the 'Talents' (gold ornaments), in which the master--before he left on a long journey--gave ten talents to one servant, five to another and one to yet another. When the master returned, he rewarded the keeper of the ten because that servant had invested the talents and gotten ten more, he rewarded the keeper of the five because that servant had invested and gotten five more, but--when he learned that the keeper of one had hidden it away out of fear for what the master would do if it were lost--he punished that one! The lesson was 'to him that has much will much more be given, to him that has little even the little he has will be taken away.'
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
20 Apr 11
No scehng! In my case I would not say so. I have seen fantastic earnings, medium income, no income, etc..etc. It is bound to happen when you are on your own.My husband was also in a job and later he was on his own. Except for inflation , we have not changed our lifestyle[lifestyle includes food habits, eating out , holiday spending etc..,] whatsoever and my husband always saves according to his plan. He exercised strict financial control over the household expenditure and I would have to abide by it.Luckily I had my own to spend on my personal vanities.Even w hen I didn't have personal money I used to spend if I had money to spend[if it were granted and there it stopped]. We would tend to spend more if we start thinking that ' I am earning after all; let me spend'.Sometimes, this can also lead to wasteful spending. My maternal grandfather had 10 children and he was a very strict man who could save up enough and keep for his children.His principle was apparently "if an increment was given he would not touch the increment'.He would continue to keep household expenditure as it were before the increment. He used to save money in recurring deposits and then make it into a fixed deposit and plan each daughter's wedding accordingly.[6 daughters].He was a steady earner [not too great] but his expenditure was always under control.He would never borrow and apparently though his colleagues had a car he did not believe i n increasing lifestyle . So, to your question, the secret to saving is to exercise strict self-control.One would get unexpected expenditure at t imes, due to illness etc..,but the savings should take care.
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
21 Apr 11
Hi Kalav, I think it takes a lot of discipline to earn to save. It is hard to find a youngster with enough wisdom to live within his mean. Some of them are smart enough to know their weaknesses, that is why they buy a lot of insurance policies as a way to stop them from spending everything. I hope I can learn from your maternal grandfather. Even though I am single, and do not have a house of my own yet, I still find it a struggle to save money. Fortunately my investment knowledge prevents me from spending on unnecessary items. I rather save and invest in stock market or buy a few more silver bars.
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
21 Apr 11
You must continue to buy silver bars because that would definitely prove to be a great investment in future. You are well versed in stocks and so there you are definitely being wise.
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
21 Apr 11
When you are single and do not have a house where is it going wrong? I am sure you would have done some analysis and would have reached some conclusion.
@whyaskq (7523)
• Singapore
21 Apr 11
I am inclined to agree. Otherwise, why should I be earning and strive to earn more and more. LOL. Some of us make money just to survive. However, the amount needed to survive is very subjective. This is because our wants become our needs. We always complain of not enough money because of our wants and not our needs. Hence, the more we make, the more we spend. A fair decision.
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
22 Apr 11
Hi Whyaskq, many people see money differently at different stages of life. I have a friend who was very thrifty when she was young. However, she started to spend money when she reached middle age. She figured that she had worked so hard, and what is the use of money if you do not spend it. Fortunately she has a house fully paid for, and a few insurance policies. I think that money is really an attitude matter.
@jillhill (37354)
• United States
20 Apr 11
It's just a matter of putting it away and forgetting about it..yes you probably do spend more when you make more....but if you try to keep on a budget with what you have been spending before you make more..you can put the extra away!
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• United States
20 Apr 11
A student in one of my classes was complaining about money and the professor told him, "Money problems are always going to be with you. I've had money problems all my life, even when I made SERIOUS money (six figures). Probably cause I spent more." I think yes, most people will have trouble managing money even if they have lots of money. I think money problems are a mindset problem, not an earnings problem.
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
20 Apr 11
Mindset problem! Well said.
@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
21 Apr 11
Hi Allyoftherain, that is really true. Beside being a mindset problem, it is also a matter of upbringing. Those people in the United States are brought up with the concept of taking loans and living on credits. That is why the country as a whole has more debts than savings. Those people in China tend to save more. They save so much money that the government is pushing them to spend, or else the economy will never improve. I think culture and upbringing play a part too.
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@misterMR (796)
• Philippines
20 Apr 11
It is true that about that. The more you earn money the more you will spend it because the tendency of a person's thinking is to award him/herself from the hard work they had. It's really a common practice on every individual. It is hard to save money because in the end, you'll need the money that you have. This is one of the harsh realities of life. And I agree that spending money is much easier than earning money.
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
20 Apr 11
Hi MisterMR, that is my observation too. It seems that people have the tendency to spend about the same amount that they have made every month. If they have a good salary adjustment, they start to think of buying bigger house or bigger car or going for a more expensive holidays. It is hard for a person who used to earn high salary to accept a lower paid job. They find that they cannot afford everything suddenly.
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@bellis716 (4799)
• United States
22 Apr 11
The best way to save is to agree when making your budget how much you want to save each month. Then, you should have your bank take that amount out of your checking account each month and put it in a special savings account. If you never see the money, you won't miss it. Some empoloyers will do that for their employees. I did that when I was working, and when I retired, I had well over $100,000.00. There was a time when we could have used the money because my husband did not have a job. However, we did not even consider touching that money. We could have drawn all or part of it out, but there would have been a penalty. We made it through the hard times and still kept adding to that savings account.
@bellis716 (4799)
• United States
23 Apr 11
The money that I saved through my last employer was in addition to my social security. I elected to save through my employer rather than through a bank for 3 reasons. First reason was a tax break. I didn't have to pay taxes on the money until I started drawing it out, and since my income is less after retirement, I have yet to pay any income tax on the money I've withdrawn. Second, At one time, my employer added $1.00 for each $2.00 that I saved. Unfortunately, that benefit was done away with when my company merged with another company, but I got to keep what I had accumulated while that benefit was in effect. Third, There were rules thyat made it difficult(not impossible, just difficult)to withdraw any of the money before retiring or leaving the company. That took away the temptation to withdraw money during hard times. We managed during those hard times without borrowing from any one; we just had to be more careful of how we spent what money we had.
@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
27 Apr 11
Hi Bellis, we have similar plans in our country. However, the government lets us open our individual account with the participating banks. This is on top of the compulsory provident fund. All of us can save money through that special account, and gain tax break for the amount we put in. Another way to have additional tax break is by voluntary contribution to provident fund of our parents and ourselves. The money can be used for buying shares and gold.
@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
22 Apr 11
Hi Bellis, we have a better national scheme here. The government sets up a special provident fund for all working locals and permanent residents. The employers have to deduct 20% of our income, add on another 15.5% of the income, and submit the money to our central provident fund. The fund was held in our names, and we can use it for limited purposes only. Housing, medical and retirement are the only three main ways of using the money. The other exceptions are for funding our college education or the education of our children, and transferring our money to aged parents account. If we use cash to top up our account or our parent's account, we can gain tax credits as well. I think that is a good way to save money, and to pay lower tax. In most Asian countries, taking care of parents is still the job of the children.
@aerous (13434)
• Philippines
2 May 11
I agree with you, friend. Because as I notice when you have more money. You spend more. But when you have limited amount of money. You expenses is lower because you to budget it...
@aerous (13434)
• Philippines
30 May 11
Oh I see. That maybe the case, friend. But if you could notice about what I say. Just try to have small amount of money in your pocket...then you spend it. You could notice that you buy a little...but if you have more money. You can buy more things...even if a useless things you can buy. Because you know you have money to buy those items... The good in your country is that having a good assets. Even if you don't have money on the bank. You can able to give salary your maid and so on... My partner...work there as a caregiver. Glad to know you here!
@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
31 May 11
Hi Aerous, actually I think people in our countries are the poorest of all. Those poor people from other countries can come here to work, but the poor people in my country cannot go elsewhere to work. Those foreign workers just work a few years, save enough money to buy land and houses in their countries. But we can just afford a small house, and even then, the government does not allow free ownership. By the time we finish paying for the house, the lease is just sixty or even fifty years left. We do not have countryside where things are cheaper too. There is no way to retire in another part of the country. Many people buy houses in other countries, and hope they can retire oversea.
@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
20 May 11
Hi Aerous, I think that's the reason that many middle managers are not rich, despite the fact that they look rich enough. I mean with a flashy car, big house, live-in maid, and expensive clothing, I wonder how they can save money. It seems that many cleaners in the company manages to have more money in the bank than their managers. There is a real difference between cash rich and asset rich. Over here in Singapore, most of us are asset rich but cash poor. We may live in a house that cost half a million dollars due to the escalating housing price, but we do not even have six months savings in the bank.
@gaiza12 (4884)
• Philippines
30 Apr 11
I would agree. Before when I was still a student, I could really save a lot of money and can even use it for so many reasons. But now that I am working, I can't even buy the things I really needed. And I can't even save even for just a small amount. I think it's mainly because we are expecting more money to come during the next pay day.
@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
1 May 11
Hi Gaiza, yes, it does seem funny that the more money we make, the less we can save! It should be the opposite. I think it is good that you realize it early in your life. Some people do not even realize how they spend their money, until they face retirement, then they start to regret But it is too late to regret. 20 years of retirement without money is not fun at all.
@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
20 May 11
Hi Gaiza, I hope you learn the art of investing too. The interest rate in the saving account is always lower than inflation rate. if you just keep the money in the bank, the high inflation rate will reduce the value of money. It is important to use commonsense in investing. Treat it the same as shopping for best quality item at the cheapest possible price. Never let emotion controls your buying impulse.
@gaiza12 (4884)
• Philippines
2 May 11
So true! It's a good think I have realized this as early as now for there is still more time to save before I reach retirement stage.
@jennyze (7028)
• Indonesia
21 Apr 11
Yes, I agree. Saving is not related to how much your earn, it is more related to our attitude. When you decide on saving some money, even one dollar a day, you will have a saving by the end of a year. However if you think of saving 100 dollar a month when you earn more, you may not getting there by the end of the year, cause you would have more needs to attend to when you earn more like, going to spa when last time you only go to a barber shop. You may want to buy a new model of telephone when before you were satisfied with an old model, etc.
@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
22 Apr 11
Hi Jennyze, I do not understand the craze for latest cell phone model also. I have one colleague who used the old model of nokia cell phone until the number pads do not have any numbers there. It is similar to the way that we use the keyboard until the S or N or E goes missing. She still does not see a need to change her cell phone. I think she has set a very good example of saving money for us. Just too bad she has an indulgence for other things, and she spends without thinking about money for her passion.
@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
27 Apr 11
Oh my goodness, you sound like her exact twin! If you have indulgence in gold and silver bars, I think that is even better. Gold and silver tend to appreciate in value, unlike bags, shoes, DVDs and other consumer goods. Having said that, I must admit it is very hard to turn away from a good deal on a pair of shoes. I have several pairs now, and I doubt I will be buying shoes in the next few years, otherwise my house will be packed with shoes from top to bottom!
@jennyze (7028)
• Indonesia
25 Apr 11
Sounds like me. I don't care if my cell phone is of an old model. When they key pas is unreadable, I just change the cover. As long as it rings fine, that works for me. Like your friend I have indulgence in other things like bags, clothes, shoes, books, and CD/VCD/DVDs...
@aeiou78 (3445)
• Malaysia
10 Jul 11
This is the weakness of human-beings. Similarly, the more we have, the more we want. We never satisfy in whatever we have. We are greedy. Some people told me that this weakness is a very good motivation in our life to move progressively. When we earn more and spend more, then only we shall try harder to survive. However, saving is definitely a good habit to me. I shall save more, to make my future to be more secured.
@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
10 Jul 11
Hi Aeiou, I think some people are too confident about their ability to earn money. If they have job promotions every two years for the last ten years, they think that they would continue to get job promotions too. They never even consider that their companies will relocate to another place, and that they will lose their jobs. I think this kind of over confidence plus greed makes many high fliers bankrupt. It is sad to see that they incur more debt even when they are earning so much more money than their peers.
@aeiou78 (3445)
• Malaysia
12 Jul 11
This was explained by the Aviation investigation after they found the "Black Box" of the crashed plane. About the co-pilot and the alert system, there wasn't any information in the newspaper.
@Kirinx (1688)
• United States
26 Apr 11
Well for me this is a yes it seems like the more money I have in my pockets the more I want to spend.I am training myself to become more disciplined.I'm not really saving any money but thanks for the idea.tho i doubt i will be going anywhere this summer with these gas prics.
@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
27 Apr 11
Hi Kirinx, I think spending money is a very natural thing to do when you are earning more money. The problem is that most of us tend to spend on things that become valueless as time goes on. If we were to keep on buying gold and silver, we are getting off in the future, since these are the assets always in demand. I think you can start buying investment products, so that you will not spend all on travel, food and other luxuries.
@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
28 Apr 11
Hi Kirinx, actually buying gold and silver is much better than buying hair accessories. If your grandparents had bought gold and silver, and passed down to you, you would be very rich today. It seems that gold and silver can never go out of fashion. The only factor is the price.
@Kirinx (1688)
• United States
27 Apr 11
your right and fortunately I don't have an addiction to silver or gold. my little addiction would be hair accessories XD and investment sounds like a wise decision.
@mythociate (21432)
• Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
21 Apr 11
Yes, and that is how it should be. Maybe that's being a little idealistic, because I want to believe that--once one reaches a certain standard-of-living (probably that to which they were accustomed in early-childhood)--they stop getting 'bigger and better' stuff and let the overflow go to their local church/fellowship/etc. But it probably doesn't work that way (I'm saying because--though I may have reached the standard-of-living I want--I'm not experiencing the overflow it seems I should). The way I think it works for 'normals' is that they live off of their line-of-credit (I say 'normals' meaning 'people who have J.O.B.'s' ... I had a line-of-credit, but no real income to back it up; so when a magazine-subscription company convinced me to give them my digits, I ended up with my citizenship stripped-away ) That is to say, they (probably you too) get their stuff & THEN work on paying for it. So they usually end up just getting the stuff they'd be willing to work for.
@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
23 Apr 11
Hi Mythociate, I recall a sentence in proverb about neither a lender or borrower should we be. I suppose looking at the current situation of United States, and China, we can see how wise it is. China is more worried about the economic situation in United States, definitely more than the US government itself. If United States keep on devaluing the currency, and keeps on borrowing more and more, China will not get its money back. $4 trillion dollars is not a small sum of money.
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
22 Apr 11
Hi Mythociate, that is a normal reaction. When people were poor, living in a cramp apartment with extended families of ten members, they definitely wanted to move out into spacious apartment. Some people just keep on upgrading and upgrading, until they have a big house with a large garden. By then the house will be empty because all children grow up and move out. The problem with this dream of upgrading and upgrading is when recession hits, and people have no income but large mortgage.
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@mythociate (21432)
• Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
23 Apr 11
Not if they don't succumb to the temptation to borrow beyond their means. That's why the Lord God (who is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow) told Ancient Israel to 'never borrow' and (I would suppose) to never lend for usury-interest charges ... i.e. I lend you 'so-much,' I only expect that much in return (if anything).
@tiffnkeat (1673)
• Singapore
22 Apr 11
There are too many distractions in the world that clamors for our money. We don't realize that the more we spend, the more we are committing time to the new interest (whether it is food, or gadgets or simply stuff). Sometime we kid ourselves into believing we deserve it because we worked so hard, then realize at the end of each pay month how little we have left or how much we have overspent on indulgences. Sometimes we also kid ourselves into believing if others can have the good life, why not us, and again we live beyond our means. So the more we earn, the more our greed or want appetite grows along with it. But the sad fact is once we breach the old mark, to get back to the original spending pattern is difficult unless the circumstances force us to downplay our inner self (-wants).
@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
22 Apr 11
Hi Tiffnkeat, sometimes I envy those rich palm oil plantation owners who live in the rural parts of Malaysia. They are the truly rich ones. They are rolling in money, and yet nowhere to spend the money. I heard that they have a Mercedes for each family member, and the house, the cars are all fully paid for. Too bad we cannot exchange our destiny with them. I definitely want money to roll in more than it can roll out. Singapore is too expensive, and contain too many temptations.
@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
24 Apr 11
Wow Tiffnkeat, you must be really smart in spending other's money. Those plantation owners must feel very fortunate not to have you as a relation, otherwise they will get poorer and poorer, and you just shake legs and spend money getting fatter and fatter. Actually I envy their lifestyle, since they can afford expensive holiday every year, and they do not need to do the actual work in the plantation. Most of them hire workers to fertilize the oil palm trees, and then harvest the oil palm. They just supervise the workers, and collect money from the big factories that process the oil palm.
@tiffnkeat (1673)
• Singapore
23 Apr 11
Actually I don't envy those palm oil plantation owners going by your description. I think both of us should be their family members instead. They earn, we spend. Hahaha... Yes Singapore too expensive. Temptations? Shhhh......
@yugasini (12893)
• Secunderabad, India
20 Apr 11
hi scheng, regarding earning money,till now i have not earned money,still i have to pay some debts, i do not know when i can clear all my debts ,i am trying to save money to clear my debts,so i am saving penny penny and thats why i am requesting for help in making money,have a nice day
@yugasini (12893)
• Secunderabad, India
21 Apr 11
hi Scheng, thanks for the response,now i am concentrating on mylot,mypage5 site and gptpf site,in all these three sites i am earing,i am not earning with my wikinut ,triond and bukisa sites or from my blogs also,so i have to increase my income,how it is possible to earn money from mylot with discussions and responses, and uploading and commenting on pictures,have a nice day
@myfb2009 (8296)
• Malaysia
21 Apr 11
Yes, you are absolutely right. I ever experienced it many times in my daily life. Although i had planned very well, to budget my income for buying only useful things. But when i had received my income, i tends to spend them on almost all unnecessary goods and only able to save a little only. now, i am trying my very best to budget and write down all the expenses and will spend according to the list only whenever i go shopping.
@myfb2009 (8296)
• Malaysia
22 Apr 11
Yes, from my working experience, i do agreed that the accountant and auditors are very careful at managing those expenses figure, so as not to under report the expenses. My ex-company accountant always prefer to see the last figure after deducting the expenses. Yup, investing is the best option for a better future.
@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
22 Apr 11
Hi Myfb, I have seen many people in the same situation. It is weird to hear CEO and CFO complaining about no money. When we do payroll, and forget to key in the expenses for them, they get really upset. Even though they earn a lot of money, they still have to learn to live within their budget. I think the easiest way is to channel the money into investment first, before buying any other thing. If you have spent the money on a little gold bar or silver bar, you will not feel so bad about spending the rest of your income. You will feel as if you are investing for the future, and not buying unnecessary goods.
@o0jopak0o (6394)
• Philippines
22 Apr 11
yes i think this is true. Because if you earn more, you have more money to spend on leisures and such. But some people save the difference when they are still earning less. I have seen some people who really don't spend there money unless they find it reasonable and such.
@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
22 Apr 11
Hi Jopak, it is hard to maintain the same standard of living when you are making twice as much money. While it is natural to want to live in a bigger house, have a bigger car, and go for exotic holidays, many people start to live beyond their means. They think that their salary will only get higher and higher. Even though they cannot afford the mortgage without cutting back on necessities, they dare to take on bigger mortgage. Once they lose their jobs, they panic. They have no saving, and a big mortgage to service.
@o0jopak0o (6394)
• Philippines
24 Apr 11
Yes i know what you mean and its unfortunate that there are people like that.
@Ladyslipper (1327)
• Philippines
20 May 11
I agree with you Scheng based from my experience. As we earn more our life style changes because we can now afford to spend on things that we can't afford to have before. It's because instead of savings first before we spend we tend to spend first and whatever is left that's what we save. So in the end it turns out nothing is left anymore for Saving. I have a friend who is very good in saving money. When he gets his salary he saves a part of that and whatever is left that's what he spends.
@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
20 May 11
HI Ladyslipper, I really hope your friend does not have a wife and children who think of spending his hard earned money carelessly. It is extremely hard to save if we put spending before saving. We will definitely spend more than our budget. The best is not to see the money in the saving account. If we do not see it, we will not spend it. This sum of money will come in handy when we have a sudden large expense to meet.
• Philippines
7 Jul 11
My friend does not have a wife and children and will never have one but he has a partner. However, because he is very good in saving most of the time when his family or friends has financial issues they ask for his help. He always help but just a chosen few, those who are very close to him. He is such a very good friend.
@macayadann (1235)
• Philippines
21 Apr 11
As I have observed it is true because their lifestyle also escalates. Once you have more than enough the urge and appreciation to buy something for yourself is always there present. Once it can be coped up with the budget then the desire forces you to have whatever it is you desire. However, priorities should always be considered and whatever is in excess out of your budget must be your consideration to satisfy your wants.
@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
22 Apr 11
Hi Macayadann, the problem is that most people buy big ticket items and they cannot simply sell away their houses or cars. Poor people generally have a dislike towards getting into debt. They prefer to buy in cash, and in bulk. However, when they start to earn more and more, they want to buy a bigger house and a bigger car. These items often bring along a huge sum of debt to service for the next twenty or thirty years.
• Philippines
2 May 11
It is good to invest but buy in cash and do not allow yourself to be tied with the obligation of monthly amortization because you do not know what will happen in the middle of paying it.
@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
20 May 11
Hi Macayadann, for investment purpose, using cash is definite the best. However, when big ticket items such as houses are involved, it is better to use mortgage. I definitely do not agree with a loan of 90% of market value of the house. Best is to take loan of 70% or less, and put up cash deposit of 30%. That will ensure the risk of default is low, and the bank is more willing to restructure mortgage if we lose our jobs.] I think financial education is sadly lacked in many people. They are too lazy to learn, or they think they are too smart to listen to sound advice.
@surfer222 (1714)
• Indonesia
7 Jul 11
No.. i'm not agree.... it's all about discipline. Make a note how much did you spend in a month, try to raise your income but don't spend more than the note that you're making... so you can save more...
@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
10 Jul 11
Hi Surfer, most people do not have much discipline in saving money. Some are probably too confident about their employment, thinking that there will always be the next paycheck. I think many people working for the government has such mentality, until they face the reality of downsizing or privatisation of civil service.