Ever avoided a friend because you didnt get along with his or her spouse?
By vanny
@vandana7 (100699)
India
May 9, 2011 7:44pm CST
Do you feel guilty?
Do you view them as different entities or as a unit?
Would you tell her the reasons why you are avoiding her?
Have you avoided friends or families because of differences with one or more family members - knowing fully well that the person you are avoiding is not guilty of anything?
Please share your views..
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24 responses
@allknowing (138308)
• India
10 May 11
Our family is filled with such situations and there have been occasions when we have avoided going for functions just to avoid meeting such couples. It would certainly be odd to carry on a conversation with the one with whom we are on talking terms and ignoring the other. But I have no problem keeping in touch with the one who has done me no wrong.
@vandana7 (100699)
• India
10 May 11
allknowing - I find it strange that the aunt who knows that her husband molested me when I was five and a half years old still thinks I will be ok with associating with her and her family. It was a different issue when i had not revealed it all. But after knowing the past, how can they expect, no demand that I be forgiving? Agreed that she and her daughter and her son and her daughter in law and her grand children have done no harm to me. And I do feel bad but I cant tolerate them. I cant tolerate even the sister of the uncle/cousin who molested me, and her family. I am just like that.
@vandana7 (100699)
• India
10 May 11
Oh no, there is no love per se. She's been married to this man for almost 40 years. Never during the early part of her marriage did she try to contact me, or interact with me. No letters, no communication, they used to go to Tanzania, and Zambia via Mumbai. But never did she choose to even call from her Mumbai hotel - I was in hostel in Mumbai. The point is now I am unmarried. And I do have some retirement savings. And though they are rich and I shouldnt be suspecting them on that count, I do. Another reason is now I am in south. People around will be asking, and if they know the real reason, it would hurt her and her family. I am too shrewd, am I not? :)
@allknowing (138308)
• India
10 May 11
Be bygones be bygones vandana. What has your aunt or her family done that you cannot relate to them? You are a loser here specially today one hardly finds real people to interact with. Remember she has to live with her husband and therefore this situation is precarious for both you and her. If you get the vibes that your aunt truly loves you then it is better that you take advantage of that situation and move on.
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
10 May 11
I have not had any such bad experiences on account of a friend's or relative's spouse Vandana. If it were to happen, I would consider them as a separate unit. How can one person be blamed for another? But I would not go to their place and mingle too freely. However, if they were together in something then that is different.
COming to your case,[which I read in the course of the discussion] why is this going back to the topic? You said recently that you were done with it all and we had discussed extensively. You are just ruining your own life by allowing them to bog you down ,papa or no papa.I have already suggested that you need to be firm with your father[they can never understand firmness from a hitherto cooperative person and I know it but you would only end up shouting if you are not firm.You are willing to wound but not hurt .]All your life would go waste thinking of these useless characters.Make a clean cut and give an ultimatum to your father or leave him and rent a separate apartment and stay elsewhere engaging yourself in some fulltime activity or just relaxing.I am sure you would have some genuine friends if not many at least one or two.If you donot find good friends , you can still occupy yourself on the net or find some job once again . Staying alone is miserable but it is better comapred to making yourself miserable in company.
@allknowing (138308)
• India
10 May 11
"if I break free, I lose everybody."
Lose who vandana? Those who destroy your peace day in and day out? Why has no one so far come to your aid and solve your problem. The day you decide to think for yourself that will be the day you should wait for.
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@thesids (22180)
• Bhubaneswar, India
10 May 11
Dear Vandanaji
I do not have many friends here now as most of them have moved to other cities for livelihood and otherwise... but the few who are around, there is only one friend who is a lady. She was a good friend and colleage and we were great friends... but since her marriage (with another friend) our relationship (me, he and her) have come down... Maybe they are occupied or otherwise... but I dont think anything else is the reason.
But yes, in my family, ma doesnt go well with her only sister and it has been 10 long years that we have been separated. When I was healthier and could do some thing for good, I did try to patch up the things, suffered a lot but still the better part is that now my cousin sister (aunts eldest daughter and her inlaws) are welcome at my moms place. The other two cousins could not accept or agree to my views and I believe that these feuds will continue - a misery for the sntire family. The youngest cousin who got married in March even did not send an invite to my parents but called me and invited me... I wished I could join in as these celebrations and the occasions are rare and the family should be together...
@vandana7 (100699)
• India
10 May 11
Sids - this is where it goes wrong with me....that is the attempt to patch up. I am sure everybody is a grown up. Everybody has their reasons. Dont you think they can very well decide if that matter is worth forgetting or not? I cant stand the attempts for reconciliation. It is not about fued. I think when people try to reconcile, they end up reviving old wounds. And it becomes septic. Forgiveness comes in due course when there are other serious issues on hand and the previous issues start looking insignificant. So it should be left in god's hands instead of trying to - you know force one of the two to forgive. Anything forced is invariably going to be explosive at some time or the other, dont you think? At least that is the way I think. And to that extent, even Sai Baba says that in a situation that is likely to cause fight, the best thing is to avoid being there and let god do his job.
@thesids (22180)
• Bhubaneswar, India
10 May 11
@vandanaji:
Of course God did His job - made me his messenger and I got through the reconcilations for one at least... That is what was important... Those who will never understand will never and those who would be open and try to learn... they will learn sooner or later.
The entire case is just about a signle misunderstanding and unless we sit and talk out... misunderstandings will never get cleared... at least this is what I think and belieeve in. We are only 5 brothers and sisters here in this state and now all are married, have their families and even our kids(three already in the next generation)and we never look eye to eye... painful for me...
@pra-ji:
Yup I remember that chain incidence mentioned on an ealrier discussion... I will never believe that my pra will do anything or even think of such things
@hardworkinggurl (37063)
• United States
10 May 11
Hi Vandy
Sad;y I had to avoid some family members because they did cause a lot havoc and love to gossip a lot of lies and it was not good for my nerves to keep them around. I was sad but did not feel any guilty feelings because they were really cruel and to date have not changed their persona and having avoided them for years certainly allowed me to be a happier person.
@hardworkinggurl (37063)
• United States
10 May 11
Awwh now why would I avoid such a sweet person so near and dear to me. Please tell me how I can help you.
@vandana7 (100699)
• India
12 May 11
I guess it comes as a continuous thing from my ma.. they took her for granted..so they cant understand why they cant take me for granted.
Now..this cousin was confused. Suppose if the roles were reversed moksha. I mean if it was your spouse who was confused, and your cousin avoided you..would you have felt bad?
@GardenGerty (161165)
• United States
10 May 11
I limit time visiting my older sister, because how she acts is inappropriate. We have family get togethers and she tries to pick fights or do things to get us mad at each other. In order to not be mad all the time, I have to choose my visits wisely.
@GardenGerty (161165)
• United States
12 May 11
The funny thing is, if anyone outside the family were to pick on her, we would be all over them in a minute, standing up for her. We love her, but I think she thinks we do not pay enough attention to her, so she acts out. Sad at 65
@vandana7 (100699)
• India
12 May 11
I have always wondered why they say its nice to have siblings, and family. I always find some sort of rifts. Families that have good relations throughout their lives and for generations can be counted on fingers! Mostly there is envy. :( I think laws too need to change. They need to acknowledge that such differences can exist.
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@lkbooi (16070)
• Malaysia
10 May 11
Hi vandana7, I can get along with my friends spouses respectively as well as their family. but most of the time I like to stay alone with my friend only. I feel more relaxed and comfortable if I can have a close chat with my friend but without entertaining his or her partner or family members. There might be certain scruples which I don't want to reveal in front of others except the person I talk to.
Yeah, there was time I was not welcomed by one of my middle school classmate's mom. She was afraid that I might affect her daughter to help her with her house chores and to do her homework. At first I help her to cope with her busy chores as her parents were snack vendors. the faster we had completed the housework we then could hang out earlier. But this mostly happened on weekends. The happy moment didn't last long though I liked to spend my weekends together with her so pleasantly for her mom always treated me with coldhearted that I could hardly accepted. I then avoided to visit her although she invited me often.
Happy posting
@vandana7 (100699)
• India
10 May 11
Hi lkbooi, first and foremost, your sulphur idea really worked. :) At least for the scorpions. :) We dont have scorpions anymore. :)
I agree. When we even feel that the reception is slightly less than it should be, we tend to avoid it altogether. Isn't it? Do feel bad, but it is difficult. Thanks for letting me know how you tackle such situations. :)
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@lkbooi (16070)
• Malaysia
11 May 11
it's really great that you still remember the post which we talked about sulphur and scorpions I'm glad to know that the sulphur worked well and no scary disturbance happened anymore.
You are very much welcome vandana7 We live in a group or society so we have to consider the spouse, the family members of our friend. I felt sad to see her in a dilemma just because of me. Therefore I chose not to in close touch.
@vandana7 (100699)
• India
12 May 11
lkbooi, it was very sweet of you to have given that suggestion, and I was really desperate becoz I really really like that house. It was easy to implement as well. Frankly, we are from countries that dont see eye to eye. But you came forward with a helping hand. Obviously, I feel grateful. Intensity of that liking for you is slightly more becoz help from such quarters is least expected. To hell with politicians separating nice people.
Yeah, exactly. The spouse would be in dilemma. If she finds her husband to be wrong, she has little choice but to keep quiet or take his side knowing fully well that he is wrong. Alternately, she might have to fight with me if she finds me to be the one who is wrong. Both alternatives are unpleasant.
As things stand, the misunderstanding was cleared yesterday. :) Thanks for responding. Its always a pleasure to be with you. :)
@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
11 May 11
Interesting that you say this - I have before but I have told the friend about it so they know why. They are definitely separate entitites but if you cannot see one of them without the other hanging around, sometimes nothing but avoidance works.
Even if the person you are avoiding is not guilty of anything - they are in the sense that they are not willing to cut off the offending party - for instance if they have a spouse or significant other nobody else is able to stand because that person is rude, overbearing, or otherwise makes it impossible for you to enjoy the company of your friend - or if they are rude to your friend in front of you.
It is very hard to handle watching a friend belittled or abused by someone they love IN FRONT OF YOU, which can sometimes be a reason you avoid. If you cannot get the friend to understand they need to leave or get out of that relationship - and you're their friend so in the same vein, you don't really want to tell them what to do, you kind of have to just let them make their bed and lie in it. If that means you don't spend much time together, maybe that's what they need to figure out they may be heading in the wrong direction.
@vandana7 (100699)
• India
13 May 11
Mommyboo, you bring an interesting point here. "Even if the person you are avoiding is not guilty of anything - they are in the sense that they are not willing to cut off the offending party". Suppose they simply dont have the courage..or they love, surely we cant hold them as offending? And was our friendship with them based on a precondition that should anything happen they would always side us, meaning cut off from the parties we think are offending us or them? Is that what we really want from our friends? Do we desire to control our friends? Its an interesting insight into our psyche that you've provoked. Been thinking about your response for a long time. :)
@bamrahkirti (1821)
• India
10 May 11
I just cannot tolerate my younger sister in law.Her behavior is so cold and unreasonable towards me.She lives in London and she behaves as if she is the queen of some country.She has ego problems and leaves no stone unturned to humiliate me.She just does not know how to respect elders especially her own brother and his wife i.e.me.
I just do not want to see her face and hates her from the bottom of my heart.
@bamrahkirti (1821)
• India
10 May 11
Hi Kala dear,
I am doing fine.How are you and the little angel?
No she was the elder one.The one i am talking about is the youngest of all.She has been staying in London after her marriage.She is a pure nonsense and just does not know how to behave.
Ruthlessness and egoism run in the family blood,i suppose.My in laws have been away for 4 months and staying with her because she was expecting(recently gave birth to a girl).
@jaiho2009 (39141)
• Philippines
10 May 11
hello vandana,
Most of my close friends whom i always hang out are singles.
Same thing in office where my team mates are all singles aside from the staffs but don't get the chance of bonding or get acquainted with their spouses a lot (as i don't go partying)
I only remember when one friend came to asks for help regarding her husband who physically hurt her.
I helped her and it turns out that one of her brother in law felt bad towards me.
Her brother in law accused me of interfering their lives.
Okay..wait,her brother in law and not any of her immediate relatives or siblings ever complained about me or the help that i am giving on her behalf.
I just ignored this guy and pursue on helping my friend...but i keep a distance from him as i can see he always throws a bad look whenever i am talking with my friend.
But i never avoided my friend...she needs my help and i never stopped helping her.
I am not stepping on his toes...so why should i care about him aint?
have a good day
@jaiho2009 (39141)
• Philippines
12 May 11
in my friends case- i don't know her bro in law personally.
I just feel he doesn't like it when i helped my friend to seek some legal help regarding the problem which i know i am doing the right thing- it's a matter of "battered wife case"
He feels intimidated because he was not able to help my friend when he has the capacity and ability to do so- he is in military service and done nothing about this "battering case".
Anyway,i've done my part already.
My friend is fine now,she got what she wants and was served with her rights as human,a wife and a woman.
Her family is also happy with the result ,i just don't know about her bro-in law.
@vandana7 (100699)
• India
12 May 11
Jaiho - there is one thing about helping hand that I have observed in my lifetime. You help, and the person feels grateful. That is fine. But the person starts doing things for you - you know an attempt to clear obligation - and it goes on till the person starts resenting that servitude that he or she has imposed upon himself or herself. You on the other hand would not realize when the person is compromising and not compromising. There comes a time when the person who has been helped feels he or she would not have done anything for you had that obligation not existed. And that can cause a bad break. So in general I dont go overboard with helping. I help and completely avoid the person I helped. That way some goodwill remains.
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@Professor2010 (20162)
• India
13 May 11
Vandanaji
Yes i have avoided and cut off relation woth many friends and some relatives because of repeated disagrrement of opinions, some show themselves as rich, adament, i dislike, some talked too much, that too i don;t like
Though a husband and wife is one unit basically, they differ in nature, some are opposite, i treat them as separate units..
Thanks for sharing
Cheers, have a wonderful day.
Professor ‘^Bhuwan^’. .
@vandana7 (100699)
• India
13 May 11
I dont always manage that, treating husband and wife as separate entities. I do feel that wife is bound to support her spouse, even if he is wrong. In some way justify his actions, or plead to overlook his behavior. That does not go down too well with me. And in any other friendship, we could've expected this friend (i.e., the wife) to question the errant party and take our side. But in this unit, we cant. Becoz it would mean causing a discord for us. That is why I tend to ignore them.
@jennyze (7028)
• Indonesia
12 May 11
I would not avoid a friend even when I did not get along well with her spouse. But I would avoid to go to her house in case I would meet her husband. But if it is a male friend, I would try to get along with his wife. If I can't after trying, I would limit spending time with him.
@vandana7 (100699)
• India
13 May 11
Hi jenn
Would you say your relations with this non-guilty party be a bit strained or stilted. Would you be able to have the same rapport as you did earlier? I for one dont think so. As somebody else pointed out - if we tell them why we dont get along with their spouses, they would be forced either question their spouses, or take the side of their spouses. We indirectly put them in awkward situation.
@akp100 (13640)
• India
10 May 11
Hi
Honestly speaking yes. I have same kind of situation with one cousin. Before one occasion we both were used to be like best friends. But because of his one family member now we don't even look at each other. I guess this is unavoidable thing. I mean after his family member done whatever with us , I don't think any of my family member would like to keep bond with that family.
I am unhappy that I can't be with him like before. But if I will keep any relation with him I guess I will betray my family.
@SViswan (12051)
• India
11 May 11
I can't remember totally avoiding a friend because I don't get along with their spouse. I tend to meet them alone and interact and help when it doesn't involve the spouse. I don't want my relationship with the spouse affecting their marriage.
I probably will avoid the friend if there's no other option to work things out...and feel guilty about it too. But I can't think of any other option that can be worked out.
If it's one of their family members that I don't get along with, I wouldn't bother too much about it. But a spouse is closer and sometimes my relation with the friend can cause arguments between the two of them...which is something I definitely do not wish to inflect on a friend.
@vandana7 (100699)
• India
12 May 11
Me too. Actually that was the reason I avoided the friend. She is actually the wife of a friend, and over the years we grew quite close. But the other day her husband and me we had some differences. We've been having quite a few in the past, but everytime we've reconciled. So she kind of didnt expect I would be taking it seriously this time. In any event, our differences have been resolved. We are all friends again.
@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
10 May 11
Fortunately I have never had the problem. What I would probably do is avoid socializing as a couple, but invite her out for separate girl only type things....
@vandana7 (100699)
• India
12 May 11
That's my Dawny. :) What if the association has been long enough for the person to figure out what I am doing? Anyway, the problem seems to be resolved. Rabbit is again back..told me people will think I am lesbian if I write like that..and all I sent the link to him was becoz Saphy called me ma..and I was thrilled. LOL
@cream97 (29086)
• United States
10 May 11
Hi. vandana7. I avoid so many people in my life. I am sure that they already know that. If they have had to treat me like someone, then I would not be avoiding them. People should just do right by each other, you know. When I feel as if I am not wanted, I will avoid someone. I don't like being around people that act as if they don't want to have anything to do with me.
@vandana7 (100699)
• India
12 May 11
Me too cream. The point is they come when they need us or need something from us. They act in front of our loved ones as if they care. It takes a lot of convincing to the loved ones who just want to be taken for ride. And right now, I am at a stage where I doubt if I love the person I have considered to be loved one so far.
@bhanusb (5709)
• India
10 May 11
Hi vandana,sometime I feel guilty.I view them as different entities. Because everyone has different specialty. I can't tell her the reason that I see her some thing different. She is innocent.I feel guilty for crossing the barrier.
@webearn99 (1742)
• India
10 May 11
Not avoid actually, but restrict interaction. This lady was a colleague. We had a working friendship, nothing very much to talk about, but still there. And then she got married, to a mutual friend who was a client of the company I worked in. Since her new home was on the way to my home I used to drop her off whenever possible. Her mother-in-law did not appreciate that! So it was as before, my going home my way and she slogging out the journey in a bus. You know what that means in Hyderabad.
@vandana7 (100699)
• India
10 May 11
Oh yes, I do. Worked for over 22 years. But in this case, the lady realizes that you have stopped dropping her becoz she would be in a problem with her in-laws. In case of my friend, she does not know why I am uncomfortable with her husband. More so, becoz I knew her husband before I knew her. And in the past, we have fought ample number of times. But somehow, the friendship didnt break. Now, I am really cheesed, as they say. I know I am at fault webearn. I should have objected to some things in the past. But I was kind of ignore it, even if you dont like it, give straight passage out from one ear to another kinda person. I used to be too busy to be bothered about it. Now, I have more time on my hand, more to think of. So I do realize what I dont like and that thing brews up.
@jagjit273 (1754)
• India
10 May 11
I almost left my friends when they got married, as they have time to give to their spouse.as family members are concerned yes i did that too because they lost their respect in my eyes.
have a nice day