Thinking "Look I cannot fold this up like a rubic cube.Step back please?"

Yes, it should just be common manners to allow for people to pass by or leave an elevator. It's just plain rude.

Gosh yes it is rude and I can't understand how some think they have the right to be upset because they have to wait a couple extra minutes and or the right of way.

It is bad manners, even when someone is not in a wheelchair to crowd so that they cannot get out. You cannot fill something up until it is empty. It is not even like someone is going to get a better place than another, there is no front or back seat to claim.

hi PointlessQuestons It is to me too as its just basic common sense and courtesy. but I guess some people are so into themselves they care only for what they want to do. I always move to one side when I want the elevator and there are a lot of people wanting off. It only takes a few seconds to let the elevator empty before you enter it.

ho pointless questions ye s I have been in that spot and this pushy woman got her blasted purse caught on my walker as she was literally trying to get i n my sp ace and I had no place to move to as she was right in front and against my walker. so stupid. just wait long enough to let me off please then get on.

I know... and what about when you are trying to get off the elevator and the people outside are trying to get in at the same time.. and not letting you pass... gosh that is annoying! That has happened... actually it happened once when I was going through a hallway that entered into a room, and as I was entering this person shoved right passed me and it pinched me in the narrow doorway... it left a bruise on me! Granted I was twice the size I am now.. but still!

hi GardenGerty yes it really is and its been brought up at our meetings several times.I could understand maybe if a person has mental problems as some do , but most do not and are fully capable of understanding that if the elevator only holds say six people you cannot fit another six people in it too. so they must wait for us coming down can walk by them and give them the elevator to use.I know a few here really do not think the rules on anything apply to them.

They have probably lived their lives that same way.

Hi GardenGerty yes I think they probably did , pushing people aside and getting their own way no matter what. sad to be that way.

A man after my own heart!

hi ElicBxn yes and mine too as I for one just wanted to get back in my bed,lol lol

hi ElicBxn I think some people have the idea that wheelchairs and walkers will just zip right out of an elevator , and its just not true. our two elevaors have tiled floors and the edges of the tiles catch up on wheelchairs and walkers making it hard and slow to push over them. Also some do not get the message that if you have six p eople on it coming down, you need to let them out before you and four or five people can get into the elevator. I love this in Western Medical center they have a number of elevators and its common of course for nurses , and aides, and orderly to be moving people on gurneys and in wheelchairs up and down in the elevator. but almost always one of the nursing staff will state"Please for safety sakes all of you waiting please wait until we come off with our patients." I was one of the patients being wheeled down to have a barium enema. the one man came right in any way and the orderly took his arm gently and said"Sir I will not let you on until you let us get off. our patients come first." He then did stay put.I was very ill at the time and I remembered how startled I was that he did not let anyone on till he and his coworker had taken us patients out of the elevator. lol way to go.

hi fwidman he he wow yes the thought of that makes my toe hurt for some reason. Actually sometimes the way they will crowd past it really is a wonder someone had not run over a foot. I cannot fathom any way why anyone in his right mind would be in such a hurry here to get on that they could not wait five minutes for the elevator to empty first. In an emergency yes but just to get to their rooms no I do not understand it at all.

hi chicksdigscars no not my foot and lol its not wee either no its rude and downright stupid for people not in wheelchairs or walkers to get up so close to us in the elevator we would have to step on them in order to get out. what I am saying is just for people to move back a foot or two and let us off the elevator before trying to get on an elevator that only holds so many' people in the first place,surely that makes common sense to you?

haha is that all you are worried about? your poor wee foot? haha!!

hi jaiho I have a feeling this is much more common here in the US than in some other countries. I know that in other countries people are more considerate and helpful around People like us using walkers and wheelchairs. I love my country don't misunderstand but we Americans sometimes get called for being thoughtless and rude when we are tourists. And if we are rude, then we must change our ways. I am so surprised at times that a person who is really wheelchair bound has to say over and over, "Excuse me please, coming in, please move aside" she just wanted to get on the elevator and theothers standing in her way were not waiting for it, they were simply standing where they should not have been and not moving so she could wheel herself in.as I was going upstairs too, I followe her in and got the buttons to start us u p. I apolozied for my part in delaying her but she smiled." you were not in my way, just htose four macho men didn't want to move.' t'

You are so right! The thing is they need to practice a bit of patience and be more tolerate. They also need to learn respect. They should put themselves in the other persons shoes and realize what they are dealing with. I think everyone that does not use these items they should be made to do so. Then they have to remember that people are using these items for a reason. They need them! They may move slowly or whatever but it's because they must.

hi moondancer this last time in May when I landed in the hospital overnight they did not take my walker and the nurse startled me when she did not understand I needed help to get to the bathroom as I was still new to the walker. so they brought a potty chair to the side of my bed. I felt like an idiot bu t she did not understand that after that fall I was scared I might fall again an re injure my leg again.

hi moondancer yes it does seem like manners are forgotten when they want on the elevator. It is not as though anyone getting off in wheelchairs or walkers wants to take forever to get off,we 'just need a little space to maneuver in so we can empty the elevator for the others to get on.

With all the awareness on the handicapped you'd think that all places would have those automatic doors and especially in a place like where you live!! I can't watch and not run to help. I know that some people have what I feel is too much pride and don't want the help but I at least have to offer. There is a man that is a customer in the store that I work. I dated him briefly and we didn't have much in common but I'll always admire him and this is one of the things that attracted me to him. He will ALWAYS jump out of line to help another person he sees struggling whether they be male or female, young or old, fit or handicapped. He watches for these situations. He told me that he doesn't feel right if he doesn't do one good deed for someone each day and if he can do more..all the better.

hi sid I know as I ha ve s een it too and I hurry over and o pen the door with my walker sidewa ys so they can get in. after all someone has to help them as they cannot alw ays do that for themselves. we do not have those doors either which is stupid for a place that takes in people in wheelchairs. no many do not but they should feel ashamed of themselves for watching and not helping. I sometimes have a problem getting the front door open and pushing my walker too, b ut some of the men here are really so sweet and will come over and hold the door open for me.they have these rubber mats in front of the door on both sides and my walker can get its' wheels caught inthem.

Oh no, I don't blame Theresa either..Did they catch the guy who barreled down on her? I hope so, some people are so stupid..I found this video I love ever since I first watched it..This woman is my heroine.. http://youtu.be/8XqNm-FU8uU

hi carm I just watched that and loved it and the expression on the man's face was priceless. lol lol

hi carm well I finally told this one man in his fifties, look kid, I cannot fold this thing up into a rubic cube so you and your friend are just going to have to let me off along with the other people with me." He did not like it but he moved aside with his friend who had already moved before I opened fire on him.I was with my walker, two on canes, one in another walker and one in a wheelchair.I really spoke relatively softly but he acted embarrassed and I hoped I had not made an enemy of him but they were right up against the opening into the elevator. Theresea in her heavy scooter finally came at the others and they all did move back. she has had too many hassles and is now just being a bit combative. I do not blame her. She has had a hellish year. She started across the street at the light and some idiot came barreling down Dawson street here and just literally mowed her down just about fifty yards from the front of Gold Crest. Broke both her hips, fractured her pelvis, and some bones in her back. Its really luck that she survived the accident.but she has had a long seige of healing and they pushed her too fast at first. she used a walker , and someone brushed against her causing her to fall. she then had the old fracture to one hip came open so she is now starting all over with the healing process. so if she gets a tad grumpy I cannot blame her.

hi sreekala yes I think here in the US so many people think only of themselves and too there's not a whole lot of respect for elderly people either. look at how man y people who could easily afford to keep their elderly parents in their homes will instead stick them into nursing homes instead, saying its better for them. no not because its better but because they do not want to have to give back the love their parents gave them when they were little.Nobody here wants to think about aging which is silly as we all will get old one day.See how they spend millions in cosmetics to cover up signs of aging.

hi jdyrj777 yes its on buses too. I have seen people in wheelchairs do most of the work for themselves before the driver came to buckle then in. I have also seen an old man with a cane standing in the aisle with me and others and not a soul offered him a seat. finally another old man and his wife got up and insisted I and this old man take their seats. I was then about 79 and this souple looked to be in their eighties. I felt really sick that these two had to do what young people should h ave done.

Ya one day while on the shuddle bus downtown. they have very few seats. A couple in their 80's got on the lady even had a cane. Nobody got up finally some chinese tourist got up. I told them thank you so much for doing that for them. She told me in their country we are trained to be that way. I told her it was embarrising for me to have a tourest do that while my our countries youth could not. I said that mainly to embarrise the ones that didnt offer their seats.

OMG!!! I just got home and i can not believe what i just witnessed on the bus today. It was the rush hour so the bus was quite crowded. On comes a family the mom easily tipping the scale at 300. All the family was quite overweight. They pushed all the way to the back of the bus. The mom rudely telling people to get up so her kids could sit down. Then squeezed into a seat herself. Soon the dad starts a argument with a lady that was sitting near the rear door. The mom gets up and start arguing with her too and calling her a fat azz. The dad spits in the ladys face. Then its time for the fat family to get off and as they do the mom punchs the lady in the face. OMG!!! The fat family cause such trouble and only rode a short distance. They should be teaching thier kids to give up their seats for older people not terrorizing people into getting up for them. I gave the assulted lady my card to be a witness if she needs me.

hi c elticEagle I know and its really so irritating as it just takes a little common sense to see we have to get off before they can get on as there is only so much room to be had in an elevator.

hi celticeagle yes it really is as these people range in ages from fifty to ninety or more years old. At least most of them should have enough intelligence to move back and let the people off before they get on. there are tiles on the floor and ou r walkers will hang up on them so it makes us slower getting off. but to me why must they be in such a hurry that they cannot let us off first so they have room to crowd in and use the elevator themselves.

I just don't know. It makes me sick when you said that this fact has been brought up in meetings and yet this still goes on. What about a petition? It just seems idiotic that these people can't see that there is a problem and rectify it.

hi changjiangzhibin yes they are lacking the comon courtesy that surely their own moms taught them as children.l I think because we are all a bit spoiled by being waited on,some feel that they don't have to care about anyone bu t themselves. sad but true. Also they seem not to see that two people cannot occupy the same space.so they still try to get on before we can move off the elevator.

I imagine some of them were like that and maybe those are the parents that hope their spoiled kids will help then when they are old but the kids grow up and the moment they see their parents getting old wham they are shipped off to a nursing home for old folks.sad b ut its so true even here in this retirement c enter there are some really quite healthy old people who never see any of their kids. left here and forgotten. sad.

The behaviour with scant courtey offends most people.Such type of people surely behaved badly when they were children.I guess they can't respect for their parents either.

hi chicksdigscars yes there are alwa ys some l ike that but most of the ones here are not l ike that., I do know what you mean though.'And that would sour a lot of people on trying to help,Yes like most problems there are two sided to them always. my self I ha ve learned to swallow pride and accept help when its offered.but just moving back to let us off an elevator should not hurt anyone's pride and also would make things mo ve faster which is all a lot of people here and everywhere else think about is time.

i guess some people are just very different though and it also depends on how you have been treated in your life. those in wheelchairs who have always been treated kindly will accept help nicely.. but maybe those who have been bullied and hurt dont want anyone to feel sorry for them etc or dont want to draw attention to themselves either.

hi jenny oh yes indeed I have seen two able bodied people sneak into a handicapped parking and woe be to them the police came around and wrote them a nice big ticket and a fine of two hundred dollars which hopefully will stop them from doing that again. I wish people would put themselves in the other persons place then they wou ld see its common courtesy to let them have room to get off the elevator.

hi mstickle thats a smart idea he he lookout tingle ling I am 'coming through here buster. I have still had people stand so close to my walker they can touch it and have to bodily lift it sideways as it is not built to go sideways, the morons. those who have mental problems generally are the ones who'nove back which is sort of funny but as long as those in wheelchairs can' get off easily who am I to object. really for myself it is not so bad but for wheelchairs they must move back.

hi Jenintn I am beginning to think common sense is not so easily found. I always thought it was very evident that in order to get on an elevator that has a bunch of people trying to get off , that one steps back and allows them to get off before pushing into the elevator.So many people seem to underesimate the amount of space needed for a person with a walker.

hi yes its supposed to b inbuilt common sense to be courteous to other people but I do not know how many times I hurried to catch the elevator and just as I got there the person inside pushed the close button leaving me to wait for the next time down.If I see someone hurrying to get to the elevator and I am in it I always hit the hold button and let them on before pushing the second floor button or first floor button which ever way we are going.

it is common sense jen!! manners are taught i know and our parents should teach us how to be nice and behave accordingly, but surely it's an inbuilt common sense to be curtious to other people!

hi bounce oh the ou tside wo rld get in here everyday as most of us not wheelchair bound get out and away a lot. I think this era should be known as me first era as so many are hell bent on getting into the elevator as if its a matter of real urgency which it seldom is. Some people do not think of anyone but themselves always and age does not seem to change them much. those whom were taught common courtesy as kids you can tell now as they still have that. those people will rush over to help you if you are trying to open a heavy door and still manage your walker. or if you are trying to get off the elevator will back up just enough to give you space to maneuver your walker or wheelchair.There are still some men here who when you approach your table in the dining room actually get up and pull your chair out for you.

hi yspmyl yes there are about three or four who do try to get through to the others but we need a few more to really make 'a dent in it as like Jesse says we are all one big family here and should then look out for each other.I think the care takers too could sort pf encourage others not to crowd up against it too. as they have a little bit of clout.

hiritter sport I can understand those who have dementia as they do not understand but the others amaze me, anyone with half a brain can see four or five adults cannot occupy the same space so if they' want on the elevator they must let us in walkers and wheelchairs off first then get on.