Would you be happy in a society without jobs?
By Awinds
@Awinds (2468)
United States
October 13, 2011 7:03pm CST
As automation and AI move forward, some futurists predict the extinction of work. All jobs would be done by machines which would leave people free to do as they wished.
Many people might classify such a time and place as a utopia. They see humanity as being freed. They think such an arrangement would enable people to get the most of life.
Others see such a time and condition as horrible. They argue that jobs can bring fulfillment and a sense of worth. They say machines doing all tasks will diminish the human spirit and make life, well, purposeless.
Would you be happy if there was no such thing as careers or jobs anymore? Would you be happy if machines did all labor for you? Does the prospect sound fantastic or hellish? Why?
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17 responses
@Lore2009 (7378)
• United States
14 Oct 11
Being out of job now, I do feel worthless sometimes and remember how empowering I felt when I did. But am I just feeling that because everyone else has a job? I don't know. But I wouldn't be happy if all the labor was done for me.. because I don't think I'd really trust any machine or person to take care some of my personal things for me. I wonder if we will ever get there.. I think there will be a lot of us who will not be able to just sit still anyway.
@katcarneo (1433)
• Philippines
14 Oct 11
This makes a lot of sense. We think we should have a job because one, it is a means of survival and two, it's just the norm and choosing not to work just seems odd. Not having a job can really make one feel bad, as I have experienced as well. In a society where people don't usually work and you're the odd one who has a job, I guess you'd also have those bad feelings.
@Awinds (2468)
• United States
14 Oct 11
@Lore2009 That's unfortunate. I do hope you get hired again soon! I myself am in a similar position and it doesn't feel great. However you do make a very interesting observation - are we just programmed to feel a sense of loss at joblessness because it is the norm?
@katcarneo With that in mind, how well do you think a society that is used to jobs would adapt to a new world without jobs? :)
@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
15 Oct 11
I did watch the movie Wall-E where most of humanity had their work done by machines and robots and they became fat and lazy. I also watched those old movies like Metropolis where the upper classes engaged in play and all sorts of vices while the lower class ah slaves did all the work. Then there is the example of the Roman Empire where the multitude went to gladiatorial games while the slaves did all the work= except for a few small businesses who could not afford that many slaves and had to do the work themselves along with their only one or two house servants.
So it would not be a good idea. Everyone needs to do some work and a machine could not tell you when something goes wrong and may be programmed only to do the job in a certain way.
@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
16 Oct 11
I was thinking of buying the dvd. My sons rented it. But with me, if I go ahead and buy a dvd, something horrible goes wrong. Before it was the furnace needed looking at, the pipe in the bathroom leaking, the tv needing a new lamp, and then a filling falling out of my teeth. If I buy it, probably the stove will break down or safe will fall through the roof and land in my piano.
Yes I have bad luck that way.
It was all those robots doing all the work., not just wall-e and Eve. Oh and thanks for the best response.
@Awinds (2468)
• United States
16 Oct 11
In Wall-E, it is wall-e and Eve that doing work on the earth and having romance. The humans just lazed around on seats all day. What a horrible life! It is pathetic that robots in that movie are doing what was once prized among the humans.
I agree. Bad things happen when people do not have any work! You are the first to provide some excellent examples, by the way. :)
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@estherlou (5015)
• United States
16 Oct 11
Most of us have worked our whole lives. If we didn't have somewhere to go and something to do during the day, we wouldn't know what to do with ourselves. I'm almost ready to retire, but I know I have to have some way to continue to be creative and to grow to be happy. We all would like an extended vacation or play time, but you have to have money to live on also. If the machines run the country, who pays the bills? Interesting concept of government controlled society.
@Awinds (2468)
• United States
17 Oct 11
I agree. We are used to a culture where one gets a job and supports themselves. We need be able to use our brain power and creativity. Even the rich who can afford full fledged maid services still do activities and business.
Let's say a "workless" society did come about - and you lived in it. This society would be machine and government controlled. Your needs would be met for free and your downtime endless. Would you enjoy such a society or would you want out?
@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
14 Oct 11
I love my gig. For a few hours a day I get some exercise and I get to have fun doing what I do well. If that was taken away. I would gain the weight I lost and feel empty, useless. My guy would leave me because the Sarah he fell for would be no more . So before the robots take over, because once humans give up their rightr to work , they will lose All of their rights, I hope they kill me.
@Awinds (2468)
• United States
14 Oct 11
That summarizes my opinion on the matter. A life of complete leisure is one of complete pointlessness. Humanity itself becomes pointless when there is no longer a need for us. I to enjoy working and to not do so would be devastating!
I just hope that those kind of robotics don't get invented in our century...
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@celticeagle (165555)
• Boise, Idaho
14 Oct 11
I don't think I would happy at all with no careers or the extinction of work. I do see futuristically where alot of our day-to-day hum drum jobs will be taken care of by machines. I think there will always be a place for certain jobs. I think of Real Estate, cooking, interior decorating and such as these will always need a personal touch.
@celticeagle (165555)
• Boise, Idaho
14 Oct 11
I really think there will always be a place for the human element.
@Awinds (2468)
• United States
14 Oct 11
I can see robots for stuff like vacuuming of laundry - stuff that is generic and that we don't usually enjoy doing and that we don't get paid for.
I do agree that there ares some jobs that really just wouldn't be good with machines - like the ones you listed. Anything art related and jobs like teaching or health care relate professions really need a human touch.
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@clearwater18 (695)
• Philippines
14 Oct 11
That would be very cool if there were robots who would do all the work for us. But I don't think I'll be happy. It's still more fun to be able to work and have a job.
@sid556 (30960)
• United States
14 Oct 11
Hi Awinds,
I'll vote undecided on this one. I can't really picture it as being a good thing. As it stands right now, there are many people without work that are depressed and stressed-out. A lot of that has to do with the financial aspect of being without work but for many, it is just working and feeling productive that helps the esteem and gets one out and around people. Something just kind of scares me with the thought of machines and automation taking over everything. I can see already what computers have done. Computers do have their place, don't get me wrong but our reliance on them is tremendous. In a business, when the computers go down, it virtually shuts down the business until they are up and running again. Answers are right at our finger tips here. No longer do students have to go to the library and read and research like they used to. People don't have to read books, they can listen to them. Students have calculators to do math that we used to do by working the problems on paper. They miss a part of the process. A perfect example is seen at the cash register when a young cashier is baffled when you decide to hand her the change after she has already rung you through. She isn't stupid...she is used to the machine doing her thinking for her. Now if you carry this technology over to the physical work force, I have to wonder what will happen to our bodies? What would be the point in even going to school at all? There was a song back in the 70's, "In the year 2525". Interesting lyrics pertaining to this topic. I think of the people in the workforce now who take great pride and have perfected their skills. As a society, we'd be missing all that. Sounds perfectly hellish to me.
@Awinds (2468)
• United States
14 Oct 11
You have a great point there. It seems we might rely a bit to much on technology already - there wouldn't be much benefit to increasing that state. It actually might just cause more harm. The emotional and physical consequences for humans would be devastating.
There is also another problem...the United States is the most obese country in the world. Imagine how complete automation would impact that problem!
@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
14 Oct 11
Hi Awinds, it is impossible for automation to take over all jobs, and let us enjoy life without working.
For example, some people would still do bad deeds.
If you rely on automation to catch them, and sentence them to jail term, then the bad people will not come to justice.
They can simply disable robots, and then rob or kill as they wish.
@Awinds (2468)
• United States
14 Oct 11
You know that is a good point. It is not as if machines are independent entities that have instincts and thoughts all their own. It would be to much of an opportunity for the darker side of humanity. And what if they decided to not just disable the robots but to reprogram them for other purposes?
@SIMPLYD (90722)
• Philippines
14 Oct 11
That will not be permitted totally by humans. Because if they do, then they will not be able to have jobs that can sustain their living. Robots still need humans to operate as well as repair them. They can never replace the way humans think, because it's still humans who thinks what's to put into those robots.
@jeanneyvonne (5501)
• Philippines
14 Oct 11
Although, many people in my opinion would love to do leisure and anything pleasurable for many reasons, I don't think they would really give up work.
As you imply in your statement, work is not just means to make money or to do something - it is a means to do something productive no matter how stressful or how horrible a job may be. It can also serve as a distraction for those who need it.
I hear about many people being slaved to their jobs and neglecting their family and I hear the opposite people who don't give a damn about their job and would usually resign before their contract is over. I know they all have their reasons but I think that people will appreciate doing something they are good at for a longer period of time rather than take the rest of their lives in leisure. My opinion on this matter is that the reason that I appreciate leisure because I am hardnosed at work. Without work, I would be probably doing something that I shouldn't be doing - due to boredom and idleness. I guess the only appropriate saying to sum up my view is that 'idle mind is the devil's playground.'
@Rick1950 (1575)
• Lima, Peru
16 Oct 11
I think work is something that dignifies man and makes him grow more as human being. It's true that more and more, machines and robots are replacing workers by doing their tasks. But I think men need always to do something with their hands and to use their brains. I can't imagine a society where people doesn't work and maybe that would be no a happy community. It's good that machines help men to do their work and also that wages are fair.
@befrindwithme26 (5805)
• Philippines
14 Oct 11
For me no, i will not be happy with no work with my own hand.Because i need a job to earn money,for my need.
So if machines will do all the task,how about those real people who will doforrel work ?will no more ?to earn money so they are un useful,?like us?
That is impossible,we need work to do and not all machines can do it all...
I will be happy if just give money and do machines work for it all.
@pinklady3068 (22)
• United States
14 Oct 11
There are jobs that could never be replaced with machines.Such as a teacher.There are jobs where emotions and heart are important part of the task that is being preformed.When you talk about utopia,it souds like a perfect place,and that is scaray.Perfection is not always perfect.Every thing and evrey one has flaws,and that's the way it should be.While I don't believe that work is the only thing in ones life that can be rewarding.I do feel that it is important. Living in utopia souds great. I think even in perfection ther are flaws.
@koneho12 (165)
• Philippines
14 Oct 11
It is a no no!!! Machines or robot will never ever rplace the compassionate heart of every people in doing the job they loved. It is really horrible, What will be the use of the human innate talents and skills if possible that the machines will take over into our jobs. Life will be boring and people will tend to be lazy. In fact who invented the machines?, it is off course human and so if human will not make it it will be impossible to happen.We have or brain and hearts that machines or robots don't have.
@katcarneo (1433)
• Philippines
14 Oct 11
I can't really imagine a time when people won't have to work. I for one believe that I have a job irreplaceable by machines---I am a teacher. I'm thinking machines can replace manual labor, as what's happening in many factories right now. However, this actually causes joblessness in some cases as the task that was used to be performed by ten or so people is now being done by a single machine.
I don't think I'll be happy when automation and AI replace my wonderful role in this world. My job, though not financially rewarding, brings me a sense of pride.
@Awinds (2468)
• United States
14 Oct 11
A brilliant response. Besides why would someone want a hunk of metal teaching their children? I would think that would not only be bad for the children's development, but it might be dehumanizing to. I have to agree that teaching is not something that can or ought to be replaced with machines.
I do think an "automized" world would not be much fun to live in - it would feel more like a machine invasion than a utopia.
@SpikeTheLobster (6403)
•
14 Oct 11
Sounds awful. Humanity would become completely pointless. The only up-side would be that - since we'd be pointless - we could go extinct and stop destroying the world.
@CTHanum (8234)
• Malaysia
14 Oct 11
Depends on what kind of jobs they are. If it just the technical job perhaps it will be okay but if the robots do everything from the tiny to the hardest part of job and even every activity is handled by them then it is no good at all. Honestly, I don't like the idea of having robots to do everything except for the fast manufacturing industry. and not everyone will accept it as they will have no money and how can they survive then?? It can be real if they can have everything for free~(^^)
@Awinds (2468)
• United States
14 Oct 11
If its stuff like vacuuming the floor or washing the dishes, then I agree that robots are not much a problem. However I also agree that having robots do everything would be to much - it would just not be good.
Let's say that everything was free - do you think a world where robots do all of the work would be bad or good? :)