Should someone go to jail from destroying our economy?

United States
October 24, 2011 11:13am CST
One of the demands that the Occupy groups is calling for is an investigation into what really happened to cause the collapse of our economy, and who is really to blame. Although the politicians and the wall street big wigs didn't do anything illegal, they did destroy the economy, and have hurt the nation beyond belief. Yet, there has not been an investigation into ALL of the parties that caused this, or allowed it to happen, and there is no investigation in sight. While law enforcement has come up with creative ways to prosecute criminals, and have bent the law to put away people who should be, no one really seams to want to go after the people that did more damage to this country than all criminals combined. Do you think that there should be an investigation into what happened, and people put in jail (even if it leaders of companies, or countries)?
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@EvanHunter (4026)
• United States
24 Oct 11
"and there is no investigation in sight." - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLx2Xc1EXLg But I sincerely doubt anything will ever come out of it like prison time (sure hasn't so far) after all Goldman Sachs was the biggest corporate donor to the president.
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• United States
25 Oct 11
I guess selling junk stocks and bonds is only legal if your name is Goldman Sachs. I look across the replies and I notice that people easily agree that it is unethical but not illegal. So by their opinions they should write their congressman and ask that Michael Milken and other junk stock and bonds guys get their records cleared. Make sure you point that out to them in your next reply. As far as the charity part I guess its just like the Koch brother's being investigated and looking at 80+ indictments that just seemed to disappear after their donations to Bush campaign. It must have just been 80+ misunderstandings and not real crimes and the donations were non-related.
• United States
25 Oct 11
Also Vrilya on page 3 makes a very good point these guys continued to pass the ownership of these mortgages around selling them as A+ long after they knew that they were not. That alone is illegal and I agree they should be tried under RICO. At the very least they should loose their license pending a "real" investigation.
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• United States
25 Oct 11
I am sure that they gave him all of that money just because he is a good guy, and they would NEVER want ANYTHING in return for that money. It is like charity!!!
@mellaw (84)
• Philippines
25 Oct 11
Yes I think so,but you know if the person was a politician or government employee and have a lot of money to get a best lawyer to protect them, it's hard for them to go to jail right away it's takes a decade to probe them guilty.I think it's common happened all over the world.
• United States
27 Oct 11
I agree, and in some cases they don't go to jail at all. Which is wrong
@mellaw (84)
• Philippines
27 Oct 11
You right,because that was mostly happened here in my country.Most leader are corrupt although there is an investigation but until there after few month or so you cannot heard anything about it.
@ram_cv (16513)
• India
24 Oct 11
I think it is a very interesting point. How come a booming economy suddenly collapsed? How come the rich continue to get filthy rich and the rest continue to bear the grudge of the slow down. I think unfortunately the people running the show are all busy filling their pockets leaving the common man out there to bear the brunt. The cycle is endless whoever seems to be in a position of power simply seems to be succumbing to this notion and he himself becomes corrupt. I think sooner rather than later a revolution would be required to tackle this menace. Cheers! Ram
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• United States
25 Oct 11
You are correct that our current system is completely corrupt, and needs to be changed. Our elected officials have become employees of the wealthy, and they do their bidding so that they continue the circle of wealth.
@katie0 (5203)
• Japan
25 Oct 11
Surely, as much when there's corruption polititians should go as well. I don't know how they arrest Animal Right heroes for giving laboratory animals freedom and the real criminals stays free.
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@irishidid (8687)
• United States
25 Oct 11
I believe it's a little more involved than just setting some cute fluffy bunnies free and that's why they get arrested. However, there is a pet food company that does some pretty horrible things to animals just to test how well the animal is thriving on their product. Rescue is great if it's done the right way.
@eljayo (1105)
• Philippines
25 Oct 11
Hi! I think it depends on the situation. If that person is corrupt then that is a crime and he should really got o jail for that. Many officials are really living a well off life while many citizens suffer from poverty. Where is justice in that. Some people are rich but wants to acquire more wealth rather than give this to the poor.This is a sad reality.
• United States
27 Oct 11
Very true
@iuliuxd (4453)
• Romania
25 Oct 11
Interesting question.If someone is protesting against the state or NWO,IMF of whatever he is called an anarchist.But if our leaders have destroyed our states and turned them into scam machines nothing will happen to them.You say they haven`t done something illegal,well they make the laws so they allowed all these scams to happen,they allowed bankers to make money out of thin air and Wall Street to trade everything you can imagine.So yes it will be nice to see all our political leaders sent to jail together with the bankers and the wall street scammers but who will send them to jail ? We need an alien to be the judge ...or we can believe there is a god and they will get what they deserve one day.
• United States
27 Oct 11
Very, good point if the people making the laws are corrupt, than are the laws legal?
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
24 Oct 11
Simply put, nobody can say what crimes were committed. Failing to repay a loan is not a crime. Giving out bad loans under pressure from the government, is not a crime. Government officials and morons at ACORN pressuring banks to give out bad loans is not a crime either. Any investigation, with absolutely NO EVIDENCE OF A CRIME is a fishing expedition. No judge who cares about his job will sign a subpoena for a fishing expedition. You and I both know that the root of this is the morons who took out mortgage loans that they couldn't pay back because they were too stupid to realize that the housing bubble would burst. If those people had made their payments, we'd be fine. Still, what those people did was not criminal, it was just stupid and irresponsible. Here's the big question though, would putting someone in jail fix the problem? Of course not. You could jail all the people who took out loans, all the bankers who gave the loans out, and all the government officials, ACORNs and other left wing groups that pressured and threatened banks to make them give the loans out. Do all that and what would it fix? NOTHING. We'd still be in a recession. We'd still have unemployment. Any gratification from seeing these people go to jail would be short lived when we realized that all it's really doing is costing us more money to house, clothe, and feed them while they're in prison. Since they're not violent offenders people would start saying how stupid it is to waste money keeping them in prison. So no, nobody should go to jail unless they committed a crime that can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. People should just do a thorough analysis of their finances and income before buying homes, banks should vet people more thoroughly before giving out loans and ignore pressure from ACORNs and politicians, and politicians and ACORNs should leave banks alone and let them do their jobs.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
25 Oct 11
With Clinton there was a direct accusation by Paula Jones and a lawsuit was filed against him. That accusation was evidence. More evidence came later with the Lewinsky scandal. Call it what you will, but that led to him committing perjury, a FELONY. With the Wall Street bankers people can't even name a crime that they THINK they committed. They're just "sure" that they did something illegal. Investigating how the crash happened is far different from a criminal investigation. Nobody has even ALLEGED that a specific crime took place. Go on, check what people are saying. Look at how even EDUCATED people that insist a crime took place freeze up when they are asked "what crime was committed?" Don't forget the greed from people who felt ENTITLED to own a home whether they could afford it or not. Their greed caused the crash. If they'd rented, or bought homes they could afford, the crash would not have happened.
• United States
25 Oct 11
"Any investigation, with absolutely NO EVIDENCE OF A CRIME is a fishing expedition. No judge who cares about his job will sign a subpoena for a fishing expedition." Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't republicans spend more than $40 MILLION on a fishing expedition with Bill Clinton being the target? What evidence that republicans have that Clinton did ANYTHING wrong? NOTHING!!!!! But, they found a "judge who cares about his job will sign a subpoena for a fishing expedition.", and I am sure we could find another judge to do the same here. The difference of course is that the Clinton investigation didn't hurt the US economy and people, but this did. I don't think that anything will ever stop greed, you put this whole crisis on regular people, and democrats, but you fail to remember that is was the banking industry and REPUBLICANS that spent hundreds of millions to repeal Glass-Steagall which allowed for these practices to occur. Would you spend $200 MILLION dollars to repeal something that wasn't going to make you money? It wasn't the mortgages that caused this problem alone, it was the packaging of these mortgages, and excessive greed. Greed caused this problem, and lack of regulations allowed it to become so big that it almost took down the country. You would think that we would have learned from this, but there are people out there (republicans) calling for eliminating ANY regulation on businesses so they can do the same thing again. What kind of sense does that make? This country has a history of investigating scandals, and wanting to know what really happened in our history. I don't see why we shouldn't spend a fraction of our GDP to try to stop another huge economic crisis that will come if something isn't done.
• United States
26 Oct 11
Taskr, here is the problem with your logic here is that the original investigation of Clinton had NOTHING to do with Paula Jones, it started with Travelgate, then moved to the White House killing people, than moved to Lewinsky. No accusation was made about the white house committing a crime when Ken Starr started his investigation. We didn't know what crime Worldcom, or Enron was committing, but they sure found out they did. Actually, what caused this crash COULD have happened even with those people who felt "ENTITLED" to own a home. Every year houses are foreclosed on, if these bankers just used existing mortgage holders, a percentage of them would default, and it would cause a large economic crisis. The difference is that it would not involve as many people, but would have hurt the economy none the less. But, the greed of bankers was to large, and they knew that making $10,000 a month was not good enough, they needed $10,000 a week. So they had to get more suckers into the scam, which didn't bother them because the only thing they had to do is write the loan and sell it before the ink dries.
@Latrivia (2878)
• United States
24 Oct 11
No, I don't think people should be jailed for poor economic decisions. Mistakes and poor judgement are not, by themselves, criminal.
@Latrivia (2878)
• United States
25 Oct 11
Investigating the causes of something is valuable because it let's us see the mistakes made and gives us a chance to try and learn from them. I don't have a problem with an investigation - though one could argue it's just a waste of resources in a time where resources shouldn't be squandered. At any rate, I wouldn't necessarily condemn an investigation, but I wouldn't back a criminal proceeding for the imaginary crime of "ruining the economy".
• United States
25 Oct 11
Do you know that this is what caused this crisis? It was actually caused by five guys who figured out how the system worked, and led an industry hell bent on making as much money as humanly possible. Do you think we should investigate why AIG went under, and why they did?
• United States
25 Oct 11
Sending someones to jail is not a way to resolve the problems under this difficult situation.
@irishidid (8687)
• United States
24 Oct 11
Interesting, stupid, but interesting. I'd say a whole lot of someones would be in jail over it. They do realize obama would be wearing the orange jumpsuit too, right? Then you have entire companies that you could hold responsible. Most of those working for BOA probably do belong in jail. Instead of focusing on how to punish those they think are responsible, perhaps working on a solution would be a better way to go.
• United States
25 Oct 11
If there are no ramifications to your actions than things like this will happen again. We all remember people involved in the .com bubble went to jail. I understand that politicians should be investigated for their actions, and they should be brought up on charges if they are found to have broke the law. I don't know what Barack Obama did to cause this, but if he is guilty than he should be charged. The problem is that they don't want a solution, they want us all to ignore what they are doing, and the fact that they are still doing what they did to cause this crash. They are buying anyone that they need to in order to continue to make as much money as they can. The solution to this is put a couple of CEO's in jail, and a couple of politicians and see what is more important: Money, or freedom?
@irishidid (8687)
• United States
25 Oct 11
Let's not forget those who bought more house than they could afford, if they could afford them at all. I don't care if mortgage loans were dangled in front of them like carrots-they are just as guilty.
• United States
25 Oct 11
Irish, people not paying their mortgage started this ball rolling, but it would have been much smaller if people weren't gambling with theory, and insurance. The people that packaged these mortgages and sold them as something they weren't should be at the very least investigated. We all knew that what Enron did was wrong, but without an investigation we didn't know what they did was illegal.
@yoyo1198 (3641)
• United States
25 Oct 11
There have been investigations albeit not especially by law enforcement. These have been published as books by various authors. I've read numerous books about the decline and fall of the economy. The best one so far that I've read is All The Devils Are Here by Bethany McLean and Joe Nocera. However, I do doubt that anyone will be brought to court and given a sentence. There are too many big names involved who have a lot of money to inoculate them.
• United States
27 Oct 11
I hate to tell you this, but I agree 100% with you. It will not change because if one domino fell, the rest would fall, and there are very powerful people out there that don't want that to happen, and will do ANYTHING to stop ANY investigation.
@matersfish (6306)
• United States
24 Oct 11
If America's economy was the only struggling economy on the planet, and if our economic system was somehow the only type of system prone to crash, then I'd say we'd need to focus more on hindsight instead of looking to fix problems going forward. But economies are incredibly fragile. There is no right way to do things. People with the best of intentions can cause economies to crash. It's not always greed; it's not always criminal. Sometimes it's just bad choices. And these bad choices in America range from government trying to force the issue of home ownership and people getting into contracts they couldn't afford, to fat cats gambling with investments trying to turn millions into billions and using their daddies in government to clean up the mess and save them. Going back through it and putting people in jail for being shortsighted, stupid and greedy doesn't help us going forward. You don't deter bad behavior in this context by making an example out of the folks responsible. That will just push unsavory activity further underground and make it much harder to spot. The biggest step we should take as a nation should be to stop rewarding it. Once people realize their actions will result in their failure if they're wrong, we'll see better actions.
• United States
25 Oct 11
Mater, do you really think that it is better for all of us to see these people making hundreds of millions and walking away from destroying our economy without any ramifications for there actions? I will take people hating me for a few hundred million dollars. I am sure that the guys from Worldcom, and Enron wish they we had the same sentiment back when they did the same thing. I don't think that it really is better for it to be out in the open, or underground, what is wrong is wrong. Remember people knew that Enron was doing bad things, but no one knew it was illegal until they were investigated. We all know that the banking industry did wrong things here, the question is was it illegal?
• United States
27 Oct 11
Like I said before: Did you know that Enron, or Worldcom were doing something wrong? Should everyone involved with those two crimes be set free because we shouldn't have investigated them because we didn't KNOW that they committed a crime at the time? Should we stop investigating possible crimes because we don't know 100% if it is a crime?
• United States
25 Oct 11
I would agree with you 100% if I thought there was anything hidden about why our economy crashed. But I don't think there is. I think it's plain as day why we tanked. They did "wrong" things because it blew up in their faces. For years previous, it was "right" enough for many people, at least so much so that no one questioned what a blow-up would look like. I just don't believe there was anything illegal going on. And, of course, "wrong" is relative to the outcome.
• Indonesia
25 Oct 11
Yes, there should be law process for them who destroyed or like you said hurt the economy of your country. Destroying economy is crime or delinquency. Someone who did destroying economy and in which finally hurt people throughout the country should be given punishment in the form of putting the doer into the prison or locked in jail. They did not deserve to get fine service from the community surround. They had to be separated far apart, because they can be a virus to people who live around them.
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@Vrilya (128)
25 Oct 11
Jailing bankers is not without precedent, FDR had a Pecora commission which locked up a lot of the bankers who caused great depression 1.0 . As for the ones who caused great depression 2.0, they could be tried under the RICO laws as selling dodgy mortgage derivatives as AAA rated, could be classed as racketeering. In an ideal world, if people have broken the law, then they should'nt be able to get away with it just because they have a lot of money but we don't live in an ideal world and a lot of these guys will get away with what they have looted........
• United States
27 Oct 11
If the people stand up like they are now, than it CAN force an investigation into this, and most of the people going to jail will be the underlings of the big shots, but as we saw in the dot com bust, sometimes CEO's get caught up as well.
@kkadri (1)
• Kenya
25 Oct 11
It's a fact that everything with a cause has an effect. But taking one to jail can't be the ultimate solution to curb those destroying the economy. It's a question of whether strategic measures are put in place or they already exist but are not yet implemented. This is of vital consideration especially from the political and social point of view
• United States
27 Oct 11
In this case there WERE laws in place to stop this, but the banks sent about $200 MILLION to Washington to eliminate these laws, and they did exactly what the money said to do. So those laws were take off the books, and you see the results.
@flowerchilde (12529)
• United States
27 Oct 11
Hopefully it would be by trial and not by mob and riot! Of course we need to only proceed according to law, so the answer is to pass regulations against practices which harm others and the nation. We can't make up new rules after the fact.. that could set a real bad precedent! There should now be in depth analysis, as it's so easy to propagate that easy answer, the blame game, missing some of the string pullers and some of those who benefited from what shifty things were done. We also could use some unbiased and bi-partisan in depth analysis about what makes an economy / jobs robust (without being greedy and destroying lives and the planet!)
• Australia
25 Oct 11
I have long felt that each incoming administration should have a department set up to study the records of the outgoing admin for illegal and unethical activities. That might keep the b*stards honest. I would also welcome giving an ombudsman the powers to investigate corporate dealings, and the teeth to fine or jail those who they find to have committed crimes. It will never happen. Lash
• United States
27 Oct 11
That makes perfect sense to me, but like You said, it won't ever happen.
@piya84 (2580)
• India
25 Oct 11
you said 5 people managed to manipulate system in their favor and are guilty.I would like to know who they are and how do you know they manipulated system.
• United States
27 Oct 11
I said that 5 people found the way to manipulate the system, but I didn't say they were guilty. They created a system to game our current system by using AIG to insure loans at 10% of the face value, so the banks only had a 10% liability. Thus, a $100,000 loan only looked like a $10,000 loan, because that was the only liability the bank had. The five guys have remained nameless to date, but I am sure you can find them in a country with more money than the GDP of that country, and I am sure it would have a non-extradition treat with the United States.
@sender621 (14893)
• United States
25 Oct 11
I don't believe that it is fair to place the blame for the economy's decline on just a chosen few. Even if we do , placing these individuals in jail will not bring the econpmy back to where it was. this is something that will take time and effort from several.
• United States
25 Oct 11
You might be surprised to know that the theory that caused the real collapse was engineered by five guys who figured out how to game the system, and the finical industry went along for the ride. It is correct that people not paying their mortgages started the process, but it would have be much smaller if people weren't gaming the system to make themselves hundreds of millions.
@umabharti (3972)
• India
25 Oct 11
Many are in the prison for their entire lifetime.I can say one thing when they are in that political seat or job they can enjoy whatever they want,Once they are caught then they are finished for their life.
• United States
27 Oct 11
The sad part is that right now the only thing they have to do is spend a few hundred grand to the correct politician and they don't have to worry about ANYTHING. Our current system is set up to protect the rich from the rest of us, and it is working way to good.
@rafiholmes (2896)
• Malaysia
25 Oct 11
yeah..like that guy George Soros..lol..
• United States
27 Oct 11
If he committed a crime, and it can be proved, than YES, he should be in jail.