Do you Blame God????

Let me put it another way, how do you know believing isn't important to God?

What is important to God is your education. Whether you believe in God or not makes no difference. Deep down, we all know God. Religion values beliefs because it is a tool by which they can shape your thinking. You are right. WE are all meant to THINK. Perhaps that should lead us beyond the petty things of mankind that are not important like BLAME. For God, it's the results that count. Perhaps, we should all learn to value just that.

@bird As far as God is concerned, believing and trusting Him is all that is important. You continue to speak of religion, and again, I say religion has little to do with God, as man, has twisted it to make it suit his own needs and beliefs. We should indeed be beyond petty things of mankind, but without God, that is not going to happen. @jyuuken My friend, my brother, you will not win any souls as long as you continue to be harsh and insulting to people. I believe that you and I believe in the same God, and He is a God of love and patience. He did not come into the world to condemn the world, but to save it. The world will no doubt condemn itself.

Thank goodness I am a well informed and intelligent atheist then

maidangela, Yes, you are seeing clearly. Consider that there is more than what is physically before our eyes. The life of a spiritual being is eternal. There are many changes and stories in the big picture. Simple because a species no longer exists does not mean the spiritual being does not exist. There are many levels to learn and understand on the path of our education. There will be many physical bodies along our journey. I won't go into detail, however I have direct experience that I am a spiritual being in my true nature. Surely, I am not the only one.

jyuuken. I do realize that there is much that you do not see. You choose to see only yourself. It is sad.

I totally believe the Holy Scriptures. According to them satan does indeed exist. Mt.4:1; Job 1:6. It even describes what he looks like. He was a cherub. Eze.28:13-19. He was thrown out of the heavens and is now roving about the face of the earth causing mnay problems. John 12:31; 1Pe.5:8; Job 2:2; Rev.12:12.

Satan doesn't exist. Many need satan to exist in order to have someone to blame. Is blame really important. Shouldn't we look for results instead. Isn't blame useless energy spent??

If God can create universes, what are a few wayward kids??? Mankind might discard their kids, however God is from a much greater intelligence and a much higher level of thinking. Explore that possibility rather than blindly believe holy books. God is much more than you can find in any book.

Athiest!!!

Without being able to see the entire picture, humans often do not make the right judgement calls. We have to remember the goal is not to have everything workout so that there are no problems. The big picture must be considered. Of course,we humans always expect paradise in everything. Very little learning takes place without those challenges. Since we are all eternal, there is a much bigger picture than right now.

@bird In what respect are we ALL eternal?

We must all work to widen our view. If we come to understand the big picture, perhaps we wouldn't fight those lessons so hard. It's just like you said. Lessons bring knowledge and understanding. By the time we overcome our challenge, we see the good that came from them.

I agree Deedee. It would also help jyuuken to think out those answers as well. jyuuken seems at times to rattle on not really addressing anyone. One time jyuuken was addressing the wrong person. jyuuken seems a bit confused.

@bird I may not agree with your views on God, but I do agree that lessons and challenges bring knowledge and understanding. @jyuuken Bird did not say the lessons spoken of were from God. There is nothing false in his/her statement that "lessons bring knowledge and understanding". This is true whether you believe in God or not. I think you make "mountains out of molehills" and maybe should practice some restraint and pick your battles.

Believing isn't important to God because deep down we already know God. We will be back together with Him soon enough. Religion's value isn't in teaching beliefs. Religion is a catalyst that brings so many people's problems to the surface so they must be dealt with. When people think they hold God's backing, they do not hold back showing everyone their true self. When this happens, it must be dealt with. What follows is education, knowledge, learning and resolution. Yes, it can be a bumpy road. Learning and growing often takes growing pains.

@bluedoll I think you are so right. It is ironic isn't it that you can blame a being that you don't believe in? I like your little analogy about kicking your own toe. @bird If believing in God is not important to God, then why are we instructed to do so? Again, if you don't believe in Him, how can you know Him? God is the catalyst that brings our sins and shortcomings to light, not religion.

jyuuken. In spite of any beliefs, God will not abandon His children. That means everyone. dee,You are instructed to believe in God because religion would not exist without followers. That makes beliefs a must since they can not come up with the proof. One should only value truth and facts. Beliefs only point the direction by which one should search for the truth. Sometimes those who search find what they search for. When you discover God, you will no longer need beliefs. You will have your proof. You will know. God doesn't have to be a belief.

I have probed, pried, and poked into history, philosophy, science, theology and my own heart in an effort to discover a god or gods. I have reached the conclusion, tentative at this point, that there is not one real god. There are as many gods as there are people and perhaps more since some believe in a cosmology that embraces more than one god. We all differ in our perception of a god.

I am a bit drawn to Lord Ganesha as my personal patron god at the moment,

Your quote: I would first have to work out which, out of the thousands of gods that humankind has worshiped over the ages was responsible for the particular field the problem occurred in. My answer: Why don't you discover God for yourself. Why must you rely on other people's God? On your own, the odds of you actually discovering the real God increase more than you realize. You are intelligent. Work on it. You are right about one thing. If we concentrate on results, the problems are usually solved before that pointing finger of blame ever gets out. Yes, many choose to value that blame first but that is useless energy spent.

ifa225 Yes, you are right. It is easy to just react to life and problems then get angry at God because we know God can fix anything. When we stop and do some thinking we realized the good behind things. dee,Bad choices are a part of learning.God knows this. God is not against those who make bad choices. God will show us all what our actions really mean. When we truly understand, we could never make that bad choice again. Bad choices can bring a person some pretty hard lessons. Let's all Think carefully before we choose our own lessons.

@ifa225 Bad things are not part of God's will. Bad things happen because we go against God's will.

God is a part of everyone's life regardless of their beliefs. Do you really think God's ego would be hurt simply because someone didn't believe?? That is thinking like a child. If your child got angry and said they hated you, would it prevent you from taking action?? Of course not. Religion in their attempt to define God places restrictions and rules on God. They can talk, however reality is an entirely different story.

@jyuuken.. "but not all god are the same,, just like your blind god is different from the God of the bible" Ok.. please clarify this.. If all gods are not same..and different gods are able to create guyz like Einstein, Yehudi Menuhin, Lata Mangeshkar, Buddha, Gandhi, etc., then all of them are equally powerful, right? You degrade your god when you try to belittle another person's god because by saying that their god is less, you say that lesser god managed to do that brilliantly, while yours didnt. Isn't it? My interpretation of your words.. Belief should come from heart and brain. If we keep pouring those words of scriptures in the ears, they will be like the torture that spies are subjected to. Agreed that it will keep people from sinning because people would be too devout. But the real god is beyond that. As we grow physically, mentally, and spiritually, we should move beyond the books, hymns, songs, bhajans, and try to understand him, and see his ways in everything, and try to establish peace within and around so that everybody can achieve the same equilibrium and be like a child that returns home from the school and is delighted to see the parent. My thoughts of course. You are the enlightened one, and I am the one who is always willing to learn.

your quote: If you blame God HE will bring down the house on you I mean your problems will get worse then you ever had them. my answer: This is not true. God is never vengeful or angry. Contrary to the belief religion teaches, God is beyond petty things such as wrath. God comes from a greater intellectual place.

@bird God has wrath. He sent plagues and famines. He caused the flood that destroyed people. I fear for your soul my friend.

I know many that blame God for what happens but if we all stopped and took a look at what we did before the bad happened to us we would see where we went wrong.

Belief isn't important. Everyone will learn regardless. Yes, God returns our actions back to us. This is not to punish. It is to teach us all what our actions really mean. Once understood, there is only one choice.

jyuuken. God will teach all His children even those who make bad choices. God loves all His children Unconditionally.

But the point has to be that we are not ALL God's children. Only when we come to Christ in faith are we GIVEN THE RIGHT TO BE CALLED the children of God. We are the adopted co-heirs with Christ. Its a matter of wording this correctly. God loves and instructs all of his creation unconditionally. But we're not His, (adopted), children until we are saved.

iuliuxd, Though some might not like your answer. I think it's pretty good. You are going to make people think with that first part.

"Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?" Amos 3:6 KJV Still i don`t blame God or anyone else.

Yes, you are right. God has a much wider view. Without such a wide view ourselves, our judgement calls could never always be right. Like you said. We are in pretty good hands with God.

Well said, in most cases, we are responsible for problems that we face and yet we tend to blame God on them.

I'd say God knows more than we account for. On the other hand, we must do things ourselves if we are ever to be able to stand on our own two feet.

@bird God knows everything. You are right about doing things for ourselves, because God says He will help he who does help himself. You can't ask for God's help and just sit around on your rump waiting for Him to do everything for you.

This is a common mistake! NOWHERE IN SCRIPTURE will you find a teaching that says God helps those who help themselves, it's just not there.It's correct to say that we can't sit around and expect the blessings of God to just fall into our lap, but you need to frame your argument correctly and not with the misquotes from old wive's tales.

To question is the start on the journey to discovery. Keep searching for answers. They exist and will add up. In time, we will all Understand.

Ah, but with havoc comes learning, growing and wisdom on that road to resolution. Where would the world be without it??

Yes, we are all better for it. In time, I think we all discover that even though many will fight and fight seeing only the surface of things for a long time.

So it's people. You are pointing them in the right direction, aren't you?? Yes, we do learn from and teach each other along life's path. Solving the problems together supplies some good results.

Very good point. A person's view of God will determine if they blame God. Yes, I can see people dependent can get angry if things don't go their way. You are right especially about one thing. God is Unconditional Love. We have really nothing to fear from God in spite of what mankind teaches.

Yes, everything does happen for a reason. I think we all come to see that in time.