Marriage is More than Just a Piece of Paper to Some

@Suebee (2013)
Canada
May 19, 2012 12:19pm CST
I've been reading all kinds of things on here about relationships and marriage. I have heard so many people in real life say that marriage doesn't mean anything...that it's just a piece of paper...that a couple can live together happily, have a family, in fact have everything a marriage can offer without getting married or having that piece of paper. What's your take on this? Do you think marriage is becoming a thing of the past? Is it MORE than just a piece of paper? Will this lack of marriage have an effect on what we now know as family?
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16 responses
@allknowing (137764)
• India
20 May 12
Marriage is not just about 2 people it extends beyond that. This paper as you call it is a document that society respects and as far as there is dependence on society it is mandatory that one gets it. There are other areas where a marriage certificate is called for - example while admitting a child to school, etc. The advantages of getting married far outweigh when compared to the status of merely staying in a relationship.
@allknowing (137764)
• India
20 May 12
It is one's upbringing that sets this thinking. There are homes that are well run with a family spirit abiding in full measure whereas in some homes although they live under one roof,they live separate lives. Marriage has responsibilities both legal and social and it is this that those who are not brought up well are not in favour of.
@Suebee (2013)
• Canada
20 May 12
So then you are saying that they want the benefits and privileges of marriage but not the responsibilities?
@Suebee (2013)
• Canada
20 May 12
I agree totally, however there are some people in this society who do not respect a marriage certificate. They see it only as a piece of paper, nothing more. I hate it when I hear people say that. To me it is so much more than a piece of paper.
@aerous (13434)
• Philippines
20 May 12
For me I still believe on the sanctity of marriage. Marriage is not just a piece of paper but it is divine. Even the law says this contract between the two person enter into marriage is not stipulated. Meaning this is not just a piece of papers...the things was those people did not understand what marriage is all about but they only selfish and never cherish this legal document
@aerous (13434)
• Philippines
20 May 12
You know why those people assume that marriage certificate is only a piece of paper. This is because they are not faithful to their partners and want to invalidate the good intention of the law and God.
@Suebee (2013)
• Canada
20 May 12
I agree that a marriage certificate is a legal document that should be cherished.
@Suebee (2013)
• Canada
20 May 12
That is possible. If you don't plan on being faithful, why get married?
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
20 May 12
What you have been reading is in 'sync' with the current day thought process. Nowadays people who get married have greater problems of adjustment; tolerance is on the decline and sometimes money also rears its ugly head in case of a disagreement and separation. Probably this has given rise to people treading more warily than what they did earlier. I cannot express opinions whether this is wrong or right because it becomes a subjective matter.[especially when just two people are involved and children are not there] But, if it also involves raising a family, I feel the piece of paper may give greater stability to a child. But imagine a situation where couples are constantly bickering with each other and the children are witness to a constant scenario of unpleasantness at home. Here if there is no marriage separation would be less cumbersome isn't it? So, what conclusion can we draw from this? Unless there is a lot willingness to make a marriage peaceful, harmonious and successful there is no point getting married or raising a family at all. Couples can make a choice to live together without getting children at all. Why put future generations into emotional trauma for no fault of theirs?
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
22 May 12
Many of us do belong to the old school of thought where there is a lovely picture of a family, happy couples with good children and heartwarming cohesion in the family;this is wonderful and an ideal situation. THe discussion here is "what if this does not work out the way it should be!".In olden days, even if there were conflicts brewing within the family a sense of harmony [sort of] was preserved for the sake of children. In modern days, this is lacking and due to intolerance we hear of much unpleasantness.Whether it is intolerance or a genuine reason, there is no point in staying together if there is no peace for the individual. Couples should analyse all this before starting a family.That is essentially the big picture .If there are no children how does it matter whether people stay like room mates and separate ways when it does not suit them? If they lack company in old age or regret their action it is an outcome of their own choice. Coming back to your point, I don't say that they always get together with the intention.It is only a matter of conjecture.Even if it is so, given the current 'modern' thought process what can one do?
@Suebee (2013)
• Canada
21 May 12
I agree, sometimes it happens where children are put into "emotional trauma", but this can happen if a couple is living common-law as well as if they are married. As far as separation being less cumbersome, does that imply that people get together with no intention of staying together or only staying until things get a little bit rough? Do you think that that type of leaving-made-easy situation fosters an attitude of "At the first sign of trouble I'm outta here"? Yes, couples can decide not to have children whether married or not. A lot of common-law couples have children. Being married or not seems to have no bearing on the decision of whether to have kids or not. I think when it comes right down to it, yes, it is a personal choice, however people are not looking at the big picture when deciding what to do.
@Suebee (2013)
• Canada
31 May 12
I, like you, belong to the old school of thought. Although there are many marriages that end in divorce, for whatever reason, I think people who actually do get married tend to try a little harder to make their relationships work, to weather the storms so to speak. Without that paper there is just not the same commitment. And we can't do anything about the current "modern thought process". It's just the way of the future, good, bad or indifferent.
@gaiza12 (4884)
• Philippines
19 May 12
Being a Roman catholic, Marriage is really important and it more than just a piece of paper as it is part of the sacraments of God. Other's who are living with their partners even before marriage may think that marriage is not important as they are happy with what they are right now and think it only ties one from the other and would take months,even years for some countries like ours to get a divorce once they already tire from each other's company. So they would think it would be best not to print it down on paper and better only with words. Others even think that marriage is only necessary to assure the one that the other won't run away with his obligation especially when there is a baby involved. It's sad for me as a catholic, but most of these reasons are really true. For me, it will affect the soon to be family because it will be easy to run and look for another partner if they think the relationship won't work anymore. Sad thing is, the kids are always the ones who suffer with this kind of relationship
@gaiza12 (4884)
• Philippines
20 May 12
We really don't know what is in the minds of every couple. There will always be a time when we think that things are already enough for the both of you but since you are married, you just can't simply run away. But we know that in those times, a sincere talk with each other will surely help. And yes, marriage is indeed a commitment that both should agree and no matter what, they should be together forever. Sad thing is, there are still a lot of couples or partners out there that are afraid to commit and so they are happy even without marriage.
@Suebee (2013)
• Canada
20 May 12
I agree. A couple is more likely to try harder to work out any problems if they are legally married. If they are not legally bound together, it makes it a lot easier and more tempting to just walk away.
@Suebee (2013)
• Canada
20 May 12
Well, if they don't want to get married just because it is difficult to get a divorce, then they haven't made a true commitment to each other. That tells me that they don't plan on staying in the relationship, that divorce or leaving is in the back of their mind.
@WakeUpKitty (8694)
• Netherlands
19 May 12
I am married with an African man and I don't have a piece of paper. One could say nothing has changed but in some way there has, since I have more responsibilities now. Not only for me and the kids but also for his family. To them it's normal, in my culture it's not normal to take care of the whole family as well. I don't think marriage will become something of the past or I should say: I hope it will. Since in the past that paper did not exist at all. Marriage was there long before there were cityhalls and way longer before church showed up. Marriage is a bond between two people, you show that bond by celebrating with the community you live in or if there is none: together (and you start a new community = family). I think it should be that way.
@Suebee (2013)
• Canada
19 May 12
So you don't have a marriage certificate then? (sorry I'm just trying to understand your comment here).
• Netherlands
20 May 12
No I don't have that certificate. I am married in Africa, it was a local marriage. So the eldest of the village married us and family and whole village were present. Afterwards we had a party like common at other marriages. So it's the kind of marriage people had before the cityhalls started with it or the churches. The only difference is (since we live in "modern" time) that I am not married offically (by law) in my country (church is not official either).
@Suebee (2013)
• Canada
20 May 12
Ahhhh ok. So you are married by ceremony but not by law. I am not familiar with laws in Africa but does that mean that you are married with all the commitments and responsibilities that go along with marriage, but none of the legal rights?
@Mashnn (4501)
20 May 12
I totally agree with you. Most people are getting married with some hidden agendas and that is one reason why most marriages cannot last for a long time. I think couple should understand that marriage is committment and requires alot of sacrifices and with or without papers, you can still make your marriage works.
@Suebee (2013)
• Canada
20 May 12
What kinds of hidden agendas do you think people have for getting married? Just curious...
@Mashnn (4501)
20 May 12
Like marrying a rich guy so that you can get something from him or marrying someone because of his or her status without necessarily been in love.
@Suebee (2013)
• Canada
20 May 12
Ok. Well, I agree that there are SOME people that do that but I think that they are the minority. I still believe that most people marry for love.
@ladygator (3465)
• United States
20 May 12
Hi Subee, I do think that marriage is more than a piece of paper. However for my husband and I it was mostly because a church wedding was a must for us. That way we have set in our hearts that God is above our marriage. We dated for 2 years and then conceived our daughter. Then when she was 9 months old we got married. We will be celebrating our 10th anniv this Aug. We dont use our marriage license for anything, its in the file. What made it really official was when I looked at his eyes and knew that he loved me as much as he possibly could. To me that was really all I needed. But the paper made it "official" I think that if people have in their head that its all about the paper that says so then its not really stable because paper can blow away. It has to be in your heart. The paper is just the technical part of it. Maybe just another way for the states to get our money. Because you do have to pay for it. LOL
@Suebee (2013)
• Canada
31 May 12
Oh I agree, it has to be in your heart, but the paper does make it official.
• United States
20 May 12
IMO our US government is partly to blame for this. I have a family member who has 3 children and lives with the father of the children but will not marry him. The government pays her too much money and benefits for being a single mother. It is not financially a good idea to get married.
@Suebee (2013)
• Canada
20 May 12
Good point. For some people, it would be better to stay not married and collect all the benefits offered by the government such as child tax credits, mothers allowance for single mothers, assistance with childcare expenses etc.
• United States
20 May 12
I personally believe marriage is one of the most beautiful institutions in existence for a variety of reasons. A piece of paper has nothing to do with it, really. That's just the "proof" it happened. A lot of people, particularly those in the younger generations, aren't putting an emphasis on marriage. On one hand, it's great that they aren't jumping into marriage too fast (although they still are jumping into destructive and life altering activities just as quickly as the generations before them). On the other hand, I think it also degrades the structure of a couple's relationship (not the family). In some cases, this degradation has no effect (unmarried couples may last just as long, if not longer, than married couples). In other cases, I think it does. Getting married is a risk. A huge one, as a matter of fact. Through divorce, you could lose most of what you worked for in your life through alimony, court costs, etc. The emotional toll can be devastating. Looking at that risk and accepting it while fully believing you can commit yourself to one person for life and work on the relationship no matter what to AVOID that is the sacrifice that relationships need to work to begin with. For example, when I was dating my husband, if he'd angered me I simply could have walked away. No strings attached, no obligations left behind. Now, him and I are considered as one unit in everything we are and do. Walking away isn't easy. It forces a person to stop and analyze where things have gone wrong, to make a true attempt to fix it before losing everything that was at risk in the choice to marry. Marriage--and, arguably, relationships, should be about sacrifice. What can I GIVE to this person I love? What can I offer them? ...while not expecting one thing in return. Committing to marriage is saying, I accept the risk. I accept I may have to make sacrifices to keep this working. Yet, I still choose you. All in all, I have no reason to believe that relationships between unmarried couples are any less solid or happy than married couples. However, I feel it is the foundation of these relationships that can be different. I wasn't going to date my husband forever. I wanted to take a risk for him. I wanted him to know that despite the risk, despite the obligations, despite the chance of financial ruin and divorce, I still believed in us to the point that I wanted to commit for life. While just dating, we simply didn't have those risks, so there was nothing to commit to other than the simple loyalty to the relationship. There will be dating couples that last forever, and there will be married couples that never thought twice about the sacrifices and falter. However, my husband and I did, and we felt there was no way to express that willingness to make sacrifices and accept risks for one another than to get married.
@Suebee (2013)
• Canada
21 May 12
I especially like your point about husband and wife being considered as one unit. How true! When you are just living together it's not the same thing, it feels like you are separate as opposed to the feeling of one unit that marriage gives. Common-law couples just don't get that. They may argue that they do, but until they actually feel it through marriage, they don't realize what they're missing.
@thesids (22180)
• Bhubaneswar, India
20 May 12
Hi Suebee Life is not the same for all... some make it simpler and some make it complex. But both are right and they are the best ones to decide what is right for them. To me, I do believe that marriage is an essential thing to happen - for me, my marriage has got me back my dreams, my aspirations and even the zeal to live. based on this, I would definitely say that marriage is much more than anything else... be it a piece of paper or anything else. There are marriages that fail and even the relations where people dont marry and stay together are successful... it is all on how willing you are to keep up any relationship... if you - both - are genuinely interested... married or not... that doesnt matter.
@Suebee (2013)
• Canada
21 May 12
I agree that in some aspects it doesn't matter, but in others it does. Did you read the responses from RagstoRiches? She makes some very good points, and I have to agree with her.
@inertia4 (27960)
• United States
22 May 12
Yes, marriage is becoming a thing of the past. I remember when I got married, I actually was raised to believe in marriage. So I did marry. Things went well for a long while, but then something changed in my ex. She became someone else. We did have children and then she deceived me greatly. She snuck around and cheated, made plans to leave me a year before she left. Then she just left. I found out all this stuff after the fact about her planning. So, I am no fan of marriage anymore. So yes, it is just a piece of paper. And the worst part about that piece of paper is that it is a contract really. You are bond by that garbage. Without getting married, if it does not work out, they both could leave like they came into it. Clean cut. No hassle.
@Suebee (2013)
• Canada
31 May 12
That is exactly what a marriage certificate is, is a contract between two people. It also represents the fact that they love each other and want to be totally committed to each other. So do you think that people don't get married because they don't plan on making a total commitment? That in the back of their minds they are thinking that if it doesn't work they don't have the hassle of getting a divorce? If so, that doesn't really represent total commitment does it? It's like they are entering the relationship expecting that it won't last.
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@yel812 (174)
20 May 12
Well it has been a tradition that in order to legalized the inclusion of the male and female, they must undergo marriage. Yes it's true that it is more than just a piece of paper because the most important part of marriage is the years that they will be spending together. But wouldn't be more wonderful if the union of male and female will be blessed by God using the power of the church to unite them. I think it will be better if they will put God in the center of their relationship, in that way they can live more in harmony. Besides, it is written in the Bible to honor the marriage by everyone. Read this verse so you'll know~ Hebrews 13:4-7
@Suebee (2013)
• Canada
20 May 12
How they get married, civil ceremony or religious ceremony is up to the individuals involved.
@cromainer (218)
• Philippines
19 May 12
Being a conservative country here in the Philippines, marriage does really matter. But my stand on marriage is very much open. I won't agree that when on a situation like getting someone pregnant, marriage for me is still not the best answer. It is really more than just a paper, it is a lifetime commitment to someone you owe to, you wanted to. I consider marriage and not soon. A time of thinking, a chance of knowing each other first, a savings, and a huge preparation is really somewhat my requirements before deciding on getting married. :)
• Philippines
19 May 12
on my on opinion marriage is not about that piece of paper they signed after a judge or priest pastor and other authorities. It is about the union of two people loving its other pledge to live together blah blah blah. marriage is not paper, this paper is created by human law to give order to the society and also to control population expulsion.
@Suebee (2013)
• Canada
20 May 12
Yes, there are a lot of people who share your way of thinking, especially younger people.
• United States
20 May 12
I never wanted to marry . I wanted love more. I am with my guy and I have found that I can live all the wedding vows with him as long as we Don't marry. I see marriage as a trap or a prison. It is more than just a piece of paper. I think many couples will marry and be happy. I have friends who are happy and married at the same time.So marriage will still be there but many couples will not marry and be happy too. It all depends on the couple.
@Loverbear (4918)
• United States
20 May 12
Marriage is more than just that piece of paper. It, of course, is a binding of two people's love into one "life" where the couple shares all aspects of their lives. It is giving freely of ones self to the other, caring, nurturing each other, supporting each other during rough times, creating life and raising that life from infancy to adulthood. Plus there is the legal ramifications of marriage. It is sharing the expenses, income, successes and failures. It is contributing to the funds that will support you during your old age. It is learning from each other and teaching each other. Marriage goes further than the Biblical viewpoint and guidelines. Then there is the legal aspects of marriage. While you do have a lot of the same situations if you aren't married, there are aspects that you cannot share if you aren't married. You are immediately the inheritor of the spouses estate when the spouse passes on. If you aren't married there HAS to be a will. If you aren't married, your "significant other" is not legally responsible for your bills, medical decisions, support, legal decisions, and other legal aspects. If you are extremely ill, if you are NOT married, you will have no voice in the decision making for the significant other. You cannot remove the person from life support, even if you are the only person who is available to do so...especially if there is no close family member who could make that decision. You aren't allowed to visit the significant other in intensive care if you have no legal relationship to the person (that might have changed, I'm not sure). You can't have a significant other on your medical insurance policy. There are so many more legal aspects that would make that "piece of paper" known as a marriage license necessary. Without it you're up a creek without a paddle. Marriage will remain in the cycle of life and doing things. In fact we may return to a situation where marriage is again popular and that "the piece of paper" will again be a valuable piece of family history. I have been expecting it to return to vogue for a long time, especially with so many STD's in this world.