MSNBC lies to viewers. Again. Should they be fined?

@Rollo1 (16679)
Boston, Massachusetts
September 30, 2012 7:40am CST
This happens so often, it wouldn't be news except - it IS the news. It is the news media, more specifically MSNBC, that is time and again caught editing tapes and outright lying about facts and presenting their lies to the public as news. http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/09/29/msnbc-caught-in-another-big-video-gaffe/?intcmp=obnetwork This time, MSNBC edited a tape to try to make it seem that a crowd at a Romney rally were chanting "Ryan, Ryan" and Romney stopped them and inserted his name into the chant. The first reports about this rally in the news all said that the crowd was chanting "Romney, Romney" and Mitt stopped them and said, "No, say Romney Ryan, Romney Ryan" in a self-deprecating move to include his running mate in the chant. But although that is what you hear on the original and unedited tape from CSPAN, it isn't the tape that Joe Scarborough ran. The tape on MSNBC had the audience audio muted to where it could not be heard clearly and then put a subtitle on the tape that said "Ryan", making the audience think that is what the crowd was chanting. Then Joe put his head in his hands, moaning over Romney's supposed ego when he told them to chant "Romney Ryan". This lie was so big that even the Huffington Post ran a retraction on its story about the tape, saying that people who attended the rally had contacted them to tell them that the MSNBC tape was edited and wrong. I am using this link because there is the tape from MSNBC, a clip of an actual attendee explaining why it's a lie and the original CSPAN tape without the editing. http://www.examiner.com/article/joe-scarborough-flap-over-msnbc-s-use-of-doctored-video-fake-controversy A recent poll found that 60% of the American public mistrusts the mainstream media. How long before the majority of Americans show them how much they resent this lying and manipulating by boycotting ALL of them? Should the FCC get involved and fine MSNBC for purposely editing tapes? After all, this is not the first time they've done it. When a news outlet purposely lies and manipulates to broadcast a lie (not talking about opinion speech) should they lose their license?
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
30 Sep 12
I think it's high time that people started fighting back and suing these news outlets for libel. Look how news outlets used the edited tap in the Trayvon Martin case that made out the shooter to be a bigot. How they edited a tape to make Romney appear to say he enjoyed firing people by editing out the phrase "that don't do their jobs". I haven't heard Obama edited but I'm sure it's happened. And just to be fair and objective, I've also heard conservative talk show hosts, take things out of context or only play part of a clip in order to make someone look bad. All of these shenanigans are libelous no matter who the victim is. I wish everyone who has been libeled n this fashion would take legal action and force the media to do their jobs and quit trying (and succeeding) in influencing voters as well as trying legal cases in the media before they get to court.
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@Rollo1 (16679)
• Boston, Massachusetts
30 Sep 12
I was thinking I could remember four instances like this with MSNBC, but you've reminded me of a couple more. If it's opinion, like commentators, whether conservative or liberal, then we expect their opinions to go one way or the other and that they may be biased. Video should not be manipulated, however. They could have their opinions on the real video, but to edit and manipulate it (as they did by adding an incorrect subtitle) is purposeful lying. If it's not illegal, it's certainly immoral and they've given everyone a good reason to never watch them again.
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
30 Sep 12
Debra, I know you probably can't post a link but what is the event called so I can look it up?
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
30 Sep 12
There is an event at FB calling for a boycott of mainstream media and phone calls to the HQ and local stations telling them WHY you are not watching. This is set for Oct. 3rd-5th. Their goal is one million people to participate. I'm watching the debates on lives stream, don't have cable or even local channels. But I do plan on calling anyway to complain of the bias.
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@matersfish (6306)
• United States
1 Oct 12
After reading this, some of the responses here, and checking out the blogosphere, I'm thoroughly impressed at just how ironic some of the justifications have become. Case in point: Blaming Fox because of hating Fox because of places like MediaMatters using the MSNBC editing tricks to begin with. There's a difference in being politically biased on a network and outright--and habitually!--editing footage in disturbing ways to create a narrative. We're not talking about some commentators here who spin different numbers to give an uberpartisan take on goings-on in America. We're not talking about a host who is blatantly biased (and, let's face it; for every Hannity there's a Maddow). Hell, this isn't even about running a poor story by mistake without checking it out. If any other cable news network did this outside of MSNBC, especially Fox, the heat would be far worse. For Fox in particular, the White House would be taking it to the streets -- along with the admin-friendly badged-up lambs whose idea of "news" is to powwow together while brainstorming of ways to catch Romney in an "oops" moment. Even CNN would be facing a world of backlash from this. So I'm not sure which is more worrisome to me. The fact that no one really cares about MSNBC's habitual editing habits, because they can simply point the finger in the other direction, or the fact that it's expected from this network. No news organization has its hands clean. They're all in it for something, and they all have elements which root for a particular party or candidate, give a twisted, warped take on the news, and dismiss differing opinion. But MSNBC is the only network I know of to continuously edit these clips to CREATE the narrative. Yes, some cut clips to play with a narrative. But we're not talking about playing to a bend; we're talking about manufacturing the news. This goes way above and beyond something like D. Morris interpreting unemployment numbers a different way than the left does -- which in itself somehow warrants 4-days worth of front-page coverage on MM and similar sites. This isn't O'Reilly's white-bread commentary about going to a black-owned restaurant. This is more akin to Oliver Stone. I'm not sure if it's criminal. If the 405 people still watching the network enjoy it, good on 'em. But even the most fervent Fox haters out there should expect much more instead of simply pointing the finger right back. There's a HUGE difference in being biased and in crafting the news altogether through editing software! But I'm not sure why I'm b1tching. The person who doesn't realize that doesn't deserve to realize it. Then again, I was recently told that making a video insulting Islam is worse than murdering someone because of it. So I'm totally flippin' spent on this site and on people's opinions in general. If they like it, go on and watch it. I hope it's around forever. I got my stuff in order, so phuck 'em.
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@Rollo1 (16679)
• Boston, Massachusetts
2 Oct 12
"If they like it, go on and watch it. I hope it's around forever." You know, when someone lies to you it's an insult. Basically, because they are saying that they think you're dumb enough to believe them. Apparently, a lot of people are dumb enough to believe MSNBC. Part of me figures that if they don't care about the truth, then they're getting what they deserve - a pack of lies that tickle their little biased ears. But there's a problem with that. These people can vote, and if there are enough of them, they do affect our lives. It wouldn't be so bad if MSNBC were the only one and most of the media were straight-up seek-the-truth-no-matter-where-it-leads journalists. But they're not. There are one or two journalists out there, guys who don't cover for the president and don't spin a story until you're dizzy. Jake Tapper at ABC is one. But most of what average people hear comes from the liars and the spinners. It's very depressing.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
3 Oct 12
That link I posted, Amber Lyon lately of CNN says they laid her off cause she risked her life in Bharain finding out the government is torturing and killing folks left and right. But CNN said no no no, don't air this. WHY? Cause Bharain pays CNN for airing 'their' version of events. She quit, gave up her severence, and her health insurance. Our media are paid government newsspeak outlets. AND the sad thing, is it's not always OUR government paying them. Believe VERY little and question MUCH. Alternative media, the NEW media are the ONLY ones I trust.
@flowerchilde (12529)
• United States
1 Oct 12
Absolutely! They should be fined and third strike you're out should be the absolutely most lenient policy. Should lose license the first time, as they have proven they have an agenda and cannot therefor be trusted! (Shaking head!) I simply cannot believe how much the 'American' People are tolerating.. The upcoming election is for a president, not a king!
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
1 Oct 12
They're tolerating it because they've been told that tolerating evil is somehow not evil, they call it 'good'. The people have been told that God, his Word...are not to be trusted. Take away the foundation for truth, and ANYTHING can be truth then.
@laglen (19759)
• United States
30 Sep 12
When your media source lies to you, stop listening/reading. Hit them where it hurts. Let their sponsors know why you aren't listening. I know after CNNs mishaps, their ratings are dropping. The great thing about MSNBC, they don't have that many listeners/readers already
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@Rollo1 (16679)
• Boston, Massachusetts
30 Sep 12
MSNBC has the lowest ratings of any news network. But they do have a devoted cultish following of people who watch just to find someone who agrees with their views on politics. And if they want to talk politics, they can all have their opinions and I don't care. All protected speech. But if you purposely misquote, edit video, skew or hide facts and then portray it as truth, then I think you've lost your right to call yourself a news station.
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• Mojave, California
30 Sep 12
So, ratings don't mean a thing. Unless you are making a movie. Doing the right thing seems not to be unpopular these days. Trust me I do not throw MSNBC in that boat, they are just as guilty as most. We are far from innocent miss lady, all of us! The difference is who is trying to learn from are mistakes and who is just trying to manipulate the situation or situations. I do not throw none of the cable news channels in that picture. Its the people that always dictate how a society runs. The problem is they too have been not so well behaved in these matters. So maybe we are all at fault, which we are! That's because we allow and watch the nonsense!Its the way it always will be, we are not that goody two shoes, none of us. So why do we fight so much?
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• Mojave, California
30 Sep 12
Maybe you guys need to look in the mirror.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
30 Sep 12
You know, every time someone on here says, oh, you got that from FOX and their part of the Republican party, I'm gonna say; MSNBC is a part of the Democrat party, so what! It is amazing that some people are stupid enough to claim that MSNBC is a trustworthy news outlet. What is this? The third of fourth time they've been caught?
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
30 Sep 12
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=IBR4g6cBYeA LOL Here's that link of a very Democrat man whose worked with the press extensively as a campaigner and pollster....telling us that the MSM is corrupt. enjoy
• Mojave, California
30 Sep 12
Deb in my opinion everyone just might be corrupt so nothing surprises me.
• Mojave, California
30 Sep 12
Hi Deb
@HomeBase (1153)
• United States
30 Sep 12
Of course these corporations that control these news organizations and stations should be fined (and {whatever else can be done} to control the deception), but as you know, we now live in a world where lies are painted to be truths and truths are made out to be lies. Left is right, right is wrong...you know how it is. You yourself could write a letter, or several letters to the powers that be and let them know how you as an American citizen feel about this. You could write your local and state congressman or woman. People are not being held accountable anymore, and they should be, from the bottom to the top. And never make the mistake of thinking that your one "little" voice won't help. That's what they want you to think.
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• United States
1 Oct 12
Thank-you.. I saw that and did that only to see she'd invited me..
@Rollo1 (16679)
• Boston, Massachusetts
30 Sep 12
Debra noted that there's a Facebook event to do just that. The link is above.
@yoyo1198 (3641)
• United States
30 Sep 12
Ah, but Rollo, they all lie and edit feeds. Why single out the MSNBC?
• Mojave, California
30 Sep 12
Ah good point, I tried to look it up right now and there was not a lot of clarity. No wonder its so easy to spread rumors! I kind of figured if Fox News was involved it would be a joke but I will let the people decide.
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@Rollo1 (16679)
• Boston, Massachusetts
30 Sep 12
Well, don't let the news outlets that reported the story as it really happened and showed the unedited video sway you, crossbones. Even the Huffington Post retracted the story when they discovered Morning Joe was lying to them. Yoyo, they don't ALL do it. That's how we know the tape was edited and they lied. We know because other news outlets reported it fairly with unedited videos. No, they don't all do it to the extent that MSNBC does. This is the fourth time I can remember that they've done this sort of thing. It's not an aberration, it's the way they operate. People should be less interested in protecting some huge news conglomerate and more interested in the truth. Those who aren't interested in truth, but only want to hear things that agree with their particular prejudices, can continue to watch MSNBC. Personally, I think it's criminal. It's like taking a suit to the cleaners, picking it up with the stain still there and having the drycleaner tell you there is no stain, and there never was one and you go ahead and pay him anyway. That's your choice.
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• Mojave, California
30 Sep 12
Criminal like starting a war with a country that had nothing to with 9/11 Hey maybe incompetence is a excuse, but maybe you guys need to remember what your side started. Not saying other people are not to blame on that as they also misled us. Trust me I am not happy with those people. The thing is you guys seem to forget that part.
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@millertime (1394)
• United States
4 Oct 12
It's really quite interesting reading all the responses to this discussion, both from the left and the right. The lefties react as usual, either pointing fingers at others or trying to deflect the discussion to something else, or both. They will never admit any wrongdoing by their candidates or media sources, facts be damned. What I find the most disturbing about how MSNBC operates is that they intentionally misreport and even manufacture their "news" and basically turn it into propaganda. All news agencies make mistakes and have to correct themselves later. Getting it wrong once in a while is inevitable, but quite obviously in this case, MSNBC didn't make an inadvertent error in reporting. They deliberately and willfully changed a story into an outright lie, purely for political purposes. It should be quite obvious to anyone that they can't be trusted as a news source. They're a joke. They have zero credibility. Yet the lefties defend them to their dying breath and berate Fox News for reporting the truth and showing MSNBC for what they really are. It boils down to two different kinds of people. One type wants to hear the truth and the other type wants to be told what they want to hear. It doesn't matter if it's a lie as long as it reinforces their beliefs. There will always be a certain group of people that will watch MSNBC no matter what they do. I don't really know if the FCC could do anything in this case, other than maybe imposing a fine or something. It's not very likely that they will do anything at all. They are after all a government agency that is under the control of the Obama administration at the moment. It's certain that they wouldn't want anything done to stop MSNBC from doing what they're doing. I think it's ultimately up to the people to realize what MSNBC really is and just not watch it. Their rating is pretty low anyway, so that's a good sign, but as I said, the dedicated left will watch them no matter what. Luckily, there are enough real news sources that will always expose their lies for all to see.
@Mashnn (4501)
30 Sep 12
This is nothing new when it comes to media. I am sure most of them do the same thing. You are at peace if you could just stop watching some of these news.
• United States
1 Oct 12
FOX may lean center right, but is far from far right! And democrats are always included in their segments.. One mainstream non-liberal news reporting station!
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
30 Sep 12
Democracy Now is VERY left wing.
• United States
30 Sep 12
Well, cnn isnt exactly in the middle anymore, and fox in far right. So I trust the readers descretion in picking news sources.
@AidaLily (1450)
• United States
30 Sep 12
The links are fox news.... and the examiner. Fox News... The same station that had a lawsuit filed for lying and were pretty much told that "distortion of the news" was allowed under the first amendment. You are going to sit here and complain about another news station doing the same thing as one of your sources. You do know that it is only a policy. There is no real law, rule, or regulation. Why on earth would you use a source that went to court and was given an 'ok' to misinform the public? Should MSNBC be fined? No. If they get fined we have a lot more news stations to fine as well. Fining them would be taking away one of their constitutional rights as the press and then we'd have to fine any other news outlet that has ever made a wrong story, and I don't think those other outlets would be too happy with that, especially the one you so wonderfully used. Now when will Americans boycott ALL of them? Probably never. There are still people out there who use them to make points against each other hence your Fox News link. No one is going to boycott something they are still using. It is akin to boycotting toilet paper even though you still use it.
@Rollo1 (16679)
• Boston, Massachusetts
30 Sep 12
Aida, just because liberals don't like Fox news doesn't mean it isn't a reliable news source. If you have a specific lawsuit in mind, please name it. Otherwise, I can't give it any credibility. It wasn't just Fox who reported on it, many others did as well - BuzzFeed, The Blaze and even The Huffington Post. There were reports of the rally itself, which told a different story than the one MSNBC put out, AP was one of those. Of course, Huffpo originally loved the story before they knew the tape was edited because it was anti-Romney. But even HuffPo got the truth from a reporter who attended the event and updated the story to reflect that it's not true (although they still have the story up, lol). Here's what HuffPo said: "UPDATE: A reporter who attended the event contacted The Huffington Post to say that the crowd was chanting Romney's name, not Ryan's, and that Romney added his running mate's name to the chant, not the other way around. Either way, the clip doesn't show Romney getting the chant he wanted." Yeah, Romney's so unpopular he can't get people to STOP chanting his name. LOL, it's kinda pathetic that still try to make it sound anti-Romney. I wouldn't buy toilet paper if it didn't do what I needed it to do. No one would. We would stop buying toilet paper if you couldn't use it, if it ripped before you even got any off the roll or if it actually left you dirtier than you were before you used it. That's sort of what these networks who lie do, they leave you dirtier than you were before. They get people riled up about things that aren't true, those same people that they know won't look for the truth anywhere else, and even if they then repent of the lie, it doesn't matter. Those people who saw the lie will never be persuaded to the truth, people are very hard-headed that way. They win even when they're caught, because they've successfully brainwashed an entire audience. You have a right to freedom of the press, but not to libel. To get the facts incorrect is one thing. To have the correct facts in front of you and then purposely tell a lie instead, is something else. Every reporter gets stuff wrong occasionally. But those who lie purposely - like Mike Barnicle of The Boston Globe - they usually get fired.
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
30 Sep 12
You do understand I hope that Romney isn't against trading with China or dealing with them in the market place, he just wants them to abide by the same rules everyone else does. So opening a company there, if he did, is not being hypocritical at all.
@AidaLily (1450)
• United States
30 Sep 12
@deb: To me it makes him a bit of a hypocrite because while possibly wanting them to abide by the same rules, he didn't mind outsourcing when he was working to gain more of a profit for cheap labor. For me it is like biting the hand that fed you. Also, don't say you are against unfair rules of a country and then go over there for a fundraiser. I was telling my friend who supports them, that would have been the perfect time for Romney to show he was serious in what he said that he wants them to follow the rules. Not having a fundraiser that in some way supports the country that isn't following the rules. I say in some way because I don't think they also flew over fundraiser dinners to China. Romney was speaking of the factory in which he spoke of the company buying it and the women there working to save up for marriage and more. My thing is don't say something bad about people and then go there. That is almost as bad as seeing him with a fake spray tan before meeting with a group of voters. That was cringe worthy. Another thing that comes off as hypocritical, is respecting his son's wishes to not join the military and then speaking of Obama not being the military. If you can respect you and your children's decision to not go then respect someone else's.