Is this the wrath of God on America ?

matersfish, Forget what we've learned about the earth and weather and everything else. If people believe it's a god, have at it! It may as well be. just a thought.. Does learning about earth and weather amounts to denial of their creator? If you are really that much learned, would you care to tell me the number of planets in the milky way!!

Oh, good grief. How about you prove it first? That's how it works. Oh, wait. Another one of these? No. I don't think so. Go troll another one. If folks still believe in it, good on 'em! Attribute anything to a god that you want. I ain't mad at ya. My point is that if you believe in a god that's responsible for everything, then it's obviously responsible for the storm. So good luck reconciling that however you may choose. Why not? Forget what we've learned about the earth and weather and everything else. If people believe it's a god, have at it! It may as well be.

matersfish, how does "what we solidly know today," disprove divine retribution?

I pray to God to guide all peopl e to him ,God bless you .

Samar, I didn't think you question was blasphemy.It could be seen that way outside the U.S.

I agree. There is no evidence whatsoever that global warming is man made. In fact, tons to the opposite. So I agree with Sarah, I'm not going to believe in man made global warming when there is no scientific evidence of it.

andy77 has the view of many Americans so if this was a sign from G-d It wasn't clear enough.

I agree with you Pose123, storms and natural disasters are NOT signs of anything.

Pose, sure God is concerned with American forein police, particularly when if affects Israel. I don't know if he'll let man destroy all life on Earth either but the Bible makes it clear that he will allow some use of nuclear weapons.

"there have always been storms and other natural disasters." Yes I know , but God give us signs from time to other .

And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. Isaiah Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong. Joel But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. Matthew all the best, urban

If you mean the G-d of the Bible, the G-d of the Bible doesn't have a problem with Israel having nuclear weapons. In fact it doesn't have a problem with any country having nuclear weapons. It has a problem with a country attacking Israel.

"Was the earthquake in Iran in August really the wrath of God" may be yes may be not but if it is yes I think not to the reasons that you said , there another many countries have nuclear weapons ( Israel of them )

urbandekay, can you give the Bible reference for that? This seems to be clear contradiction of the Old Testament so I can't beleive that Jesus would really say this. "Some natural disasters are not the wrath of God," maybe.

Thank you for your good morals

Forever_The_Lamb , that is true , this is the end of all the people . God will held accountable every man for what he has done in his live here .

Are you don't know what U.S do in the world?

I don't know what you think.

Yup! Your right, my friend. But the problem now is that more people not aware about it. People are busy doing their regular activities daily and don't think about these signs. As what happen in the time of Noah, where people didn't believe that there is a judgement day.

That is true , that is of signs before doomsday

I agree , the problem that the people stayed away from their Creator , and forgotten The Hereafter

andy77e , You are first American who say that.

I believe there's a God but I don't believe any specific storm or event anybody can point to is any 'retribution from God'. I have no idea how any of you can try to claim this or prove this, as there is no proof and absolutely nothing that would ever hold up in any court of your peers. It's a good thing that not all people believe the same thing, isn't it? It is, however, entertaining to watch how many people seem to believe in things they can't prove in any way, shape, or form, and how squirmy you all get when asked to produce proof in order to get us to even consider your side has any merit at all.

I am not the first American to say that. There are millions who believe this. Not enough to show up on any political poll, and belief in G-d has decline so much, that if one were to make the national news, he would be completely dismissed. There is a book called "Eye to Eye" by William Koenig. There are dozens of such instances where I believe that G-d judges the people for a reason, not just America either. Before I start off Forever The Lamb, there is no such thing as a person who does only what is right and good in G-d's eyes. We all have done evil, including myself. It is only by his mercy that we are not all struck down. But to this specific instance: First let's cover what G-d's word says. In Genesis 12:2-3 G-d made this promise to the line of Abraham: "I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse" Further, in Genesis 13:14-17 G-d says to Abraham: "Look around from where you are, to the north and south, to the east and west. All the land that you see I will give to you and your offspring forever." Now that's an exclusive command. It doesn't mean it's now your land to give away, G-d is saying it's his land that he is giving to the Israel. I believe this is why when Ariel Sharon tried to give away the land of Israel for peace, G-d allowed him to be struck down. To continue G-d gave a warning in Joel 3:2 "I will gather all nations and bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat. There I will put them on trial for what they did to my inheritance, my people Israel, because they scattered my people among the nations and divided up my land." G-d does not want his land divided up. It is for Israel. In 2004, The Bush administration pushed PM Sharon to stop housing construction and dismantle settlements. Sept 2004, Sharon agrees to evacuate settlements and dismantle them. 2005, August 15th, the Israeli Defense Force, delivered eviction notices to thousands of Israelis in Israeli settlements, on Israeli land. Many of these people had lived their for 35 years or more. The process of removal was slow and drawn out, but by August 23rd, the forced removal of 23 settlements is complete. August 23rd, a tropical depression forms over the Bahamas. In 48 hours, this tiny tropical depression goes from dropping a little bit of rain, to a Cat 1 hurricane, hitting Florida, killing 11 people, and knocking out power for a million people. Unlike most hurricanes, which form from weather disturbances blown out to sea off the coast of Africa, and gather energy and strength as they trek across the ocean, Katrina formed from nothing, less than 300 miles from Florida. It went from nothing to a hurricane in 48 hours, ironically the same amount of time the Israelis were given to leave their homes. It gained strength into a cat 5 hurricane in under 5 days. Just as Israelis were perched on the roofs of their homes, to avoid being evicted, thousands of people sat on the roofs of their homes in New Orleans, waiting to be rescued. Some news papers even had photos of the Israeli evacuations, sharing the front page with photos of New Orleanians waiting for rescue. So why New Orleans? Well... if you read about what goes on in New Orleans, there are more than enough possible reasons, and sure G-d could have chosen another location just as well. So is it coincidence? Possibly. Obviously G-d does not feel any need to meet our petty human demands for golden tablets with his judgement written on them... but then again, it's not like that was the first time. Does anyone remember the outrage over the only plane flying in US air space after 9/11 was the Saudi Royals? Everyone was mad, but no one bothered to ask why they were here to begin with. Saudi prince Bandar bin Sultan, was in America meeting with President Bush to finalize a middle east peace agreement. On September 10th 2001, Bandar and Bush had made a final agreement, with the intention of making the land for peace deal public in a televised announcement the following day. Bandar later recounted that on Sept 10th, he was "the happiest man in the world", and the following day "it fell on me... like the whole house collapsed over my head" when he realized most of the hijackers were Saudis. The rest is history. No peace deal was ever mentioned. Coincidence? Perhaps. October 1991. Bush meets with Soviet Gorbachev, and invites Israel and the Arabs to discuss land for peace, in Madrid. Less than 48 hours later, October 20th, the Oakland Firestorm starts. 25 people die, hundreds injured, and nearly 4,000 homes and apartments wiped out. Coincidence? Perhaps. Bush continued his peace talks, telling the Israelis that the US would not support Israeli settlements in the West Bank. November 1st, the Perfect Storm hits. The storm was the remains of Hurricane Grace which had gone up the coast, and blown itself apart heading out to sea. But then combined with another small storm system, and actually turned around and started back towards the mainland pushing 100 foot high waves. It nailed several areas along the coast including Bush Sr. home in Maine. Pictures of Bush walking through the wreckage of his home, shared front pages of news papers with up coming one-on-one talks with Israel about a peace deal. Coincidence? Seems unlikely to me. I am a firm believer that G-d is still G-d, and that G-d judges sin. And I believe that when any country messes with G-d's land, the land of Israel, that G-d "I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse". That land is not ours to touch. We have no right to it, we have no say in it, and the harder we fight to divide up that land, the more G-d will curse us. Now the danger in this, is that some people look at every single bad thing that happens, and assume it's all about G-d. The opposite is that because one thing isn't a judgement, then none of them are. I believe some are judgements, and some are not. When we mess with Israel, it's a judgement for sure. I am convinced of this. There is simply too much evidence, to be all coincidences.

samar, you're spouting blasphemy again, Jesus is the creator!

Grap "you're spouting blasphemy again, Jesus is the creator! " So you also want despoil this of your Creator ? , there is no power but from God Almighty , and I became disbelieved ? , if my faith with The Creator of the universe disbelief in your opinion , I welcome with it , because it is the pure faith.

I don't agree , God ( I mean the creator , not Jesus) punishable his slaves , in this world and after Doomsday . Who will returns Jesus , before doomsday

Have to agree Grap, Jer contradicts himself: God apparently is not interested in politics, but sends a storm anyway... Ant 'iniquities the American people have done' is an interpretation usually dependent on politics since the nation is governed by political parties. I'm not saying that storms cannot be a warning or a sign, but if that is the case, surely it is not from an indifferent God?

JER, sorry but I'm sure God is concerned with politics and may do something if he doesn't like a countrie's politics. The Bible says that establishes and deposes kings.

"It could be a warning against all iniquities the American people have done." May be .

samar, the trouble is that there are lots of people in trouble. We only have so much time to prey and only so much money and time to give. Then there are situations where the best way to help is unclear or helping one person will cause problems for another.

"we must try to help those people who are in trouble" That is true all countries which can help must do that.

may be as you said taheraa.

Every thing happen here by order from god , hurricane, earthquakes, wind, rain , all are created by god , He Almighty send it to any place he want. "it may or it may not be the wrath of god" that is true , the only who know are God only .

all the best, urban

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