When you learn a language do you work alone, in a group or with a tutor?
By urbandekay
@urbandekay (18278)
October 31, 2012 3:46pm CST
I am interested to know what strategies you employ for language learning? Personally I find it very hard, especially learning alone but I have found some people pick up languages easily.
Would you ever pay someone to teach you?
all the best, urban
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@urbandekay (18278)
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3 Nov 12
Learning a language is to master a technique, whilst linguistics may be useful to understand the language you speak, it is certainly not necessary and I doubt it is of much use in gaining, at least, a basic proficiency in it
all the best, urban
@urbandekay (18278)
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3 Nov 12
Speaking a language is a technique, learning a language is mastering (learning) that technique. Quite straight forward, thinks I.
"You do know, don't you that the first "p" in "paper" is a different sound from the second "p" in paper and both are different from the "p" in "speak"? and that in some languages you can have two words, meaning different things, but differing phonetically only in the type of "p" used?"
I know letters sound differently where they are used differently but I had not thought about that particular letter. But whilst that is true I think it is largely irrelevant. That is not, I believe, how people learn languages, we learn as we learn any technique, not by theory but by doing it.
Does it help me to know how the electron crosses the air gap, without violating the prohibition of action at a distance, when welding? We can surely agree not, rather I learn by the practice of doing it.
all the best, urban
@JohnRok1 (2051)
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3 Nov 12
I'm not quite sure what you mean by that, Urban. Surely learning a language is ... learning a language. Surely technique is something you use in learning a language. You can either rely entirely on yourself to develop technique for learning your target language and/or on your teacher to use their technique for teaching it you. What a basic SIL course does is to teach you to detect different sounds (You do know, don't you that the first "p" in "paper" is a different sound from the second "p" in paper and both are different from the "p" in "speak"? and that in some languages you can have two words, meaning different things, but differing phonetically only in the type of "p" used?), understand which differences are meaningful, understand what different grammars are about, and to develop drills to teach yourself these differences.
@veganbliss (3895)
• Adelaide, Australia
8 Nov 12
My best experience at learning another language was in high school where I learned Japanese for four years. I find the group motivation provided in a classroom situation very helpful. I find that the students & teacher seem to motivate each other. I believe such a situation is better for me, being more complete & standardized than what I could find alone. I've noticed that the teacher draws upon many different sources & uses many resources in a far greater variety than I believe a solo effort on my part would.
I'm not one to pick up languages easily, unfortunately. What's your experience, Urban?
@urbandekay (18278)
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8 Nov 12
Well I am struggling to learn Afrikaans, like you I find language learning does not come easily to me. I can speak a little Kiswahili, which I picked up in Kenya and Tanzania it being easier to learn amongst speakers for me. Although I have also stayed in Japan, that language I could not pick up at all
Strangely, I found when in France I knew more French than I thought I did, having failed miserably to make any progress in it at school.
all the best, urban
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@veganbliss (3895)
• Adelaide, Australia
8 Nov 12
Afrikaans, eh? And Kenya & Tanzania too? My, but you do get around! Are you planning going back there at some stage?
That must have been a pleasant surprise regarding your French. Perhaps the French are more forgiving than your teachers were? Or maybe they inspire you to recall more French? Did you say at another time that you had some family history in France?
@urbandekay (18278)
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8 Nov 12
Well, my wife is South African and a native Afrikaans speaker, which is like Dutch but with a simplified grammar. I would love to go back to Africa but there are so many other places I wish to go. New Zealand, Canada and South America amongst others
all the best, urban
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@maximax8 (31046)
• United Kingdom
27 Nov 12
I have tried learning alone using my computer and talking disks. I found it hard to progress very far with that. I had a Spanish course from September 2008 to February 2009. I was pregnant and my baby daughter was born in the summer of 2009. I had been too tired in my pregnancy with my daughter to continue with the evening course. I loved going to the evening course, made new friends and learned well in the group with the tutors input. The tutor came from Venezuela and taught European Spanish. Around Easter time I spent one month in South America. I traveled around with my disabled son and my daughter over there. I would love to start up again learning Spanish in a small group with a tutor.
@Porcospino (31366)
• Denmark
28 Mar 13
I have learned languages in different ways. When I was in Estonia I listened to the conversation around me and after some months I was able to understand many of the common words and sentences. I was also able to express myself, but the Estonian grammar is difficult and I never learned to speak perfect Estonian. When I was living and working in Poland I learned Polish the same way, but it was very hard for me to pronounance the words.
Some years ago I spent some time at a Danish/Japenese school in Denmark. I learned Japenese through the language lessons and through the interaction with the Japanese students.
I have also learned languages on my own. I am trying to learn Russian at the moment. I have downloaded a programme where I read and listen to Russian sentences and when I have read/heard the sentenced have to find the right translation. I am also trying to learn the Cyrillic alphabet. I study the alphabet on my own and I try to memorize a couple of letters each day. I would like to take a Russian course at one of the local schools in my area, but that is too expensive so I have chosen to study on my own.
@urbandekay (18278)
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29 Mar 13
Wow, you are really skilled at learning languages, I cannot imagine learning just by listening to conversations
all the best, urban
@damanpreetsingh (192)
• India
31 Oct 12
well, I would suggest the best thing to do is, to be around people who speak that language. mind will automatically pick up important words, and then one should start using them in daily life. try using small sentences in daily life. I can speak 5 languages easily, and this is the technique I used. and i really worked well for me. A tutor can't teach any language easily..
@urbandekay (18278)
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31 Oct 12
But how did you get from speaking none of the language to being able to interact with those speakers of those languages
all the best, urban
@Shavkat (140102)
• Philippines
1 Nov 12
In my case, I had learned the languages by my own, then I practice the language to the local people. I believed it will be more easier to know the language when you talk or make conversations with the people who knows the language. Good day!