"I will resign if he will be terminated"
By asdomencil
@asdomencil (4265)
Philippines
November 15, 2012 3:09am CST
This is one of the issue that I heard from our meeting this morning. There is an incident in our work that put soem of our product on hold due to negligence in the duty of the workers. During our meeting, they asked if that offense will lead to the termination of the responsible person. One of our colleagues said that if that will be the one written in the company rules and regulations, we will follow that, so we need to review the rules before giving any suggestion of the possible disciplinary action.
Suddenly, the one that handles this person suddenly reacted that it one of the skilled workers in his area so if they are going to terminat him, he will just resign from work.
Do you think that will be enough reason for a person that knows he will not be terminated by the management because of his experience to said that as his way to protect the person incharged of the said incident? Good day mylotters.
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12 responses
@angelkarah050182 (4980)
• Philippines
15 Nov 12
Why do they need to terminate the person? How about giving him another chance? If he really did it on purpose then, the management has the right to terminate him right away. I hope they will ask his side.
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@angelkarah050182 (4980)
• Philippines
16 Nov 12
Oh, thanks for the replies. I guess he should pay for his negligence. Goodluck to him.
@hexeduser22 (7418)
• Philippines
15 Nov 12
They said that they would review the company policy and if it would be considered as a terminable offense they would adhere by it. There are levels of offense and punishments in a company and they should always abide by it to retain the company's integrity.
I guess by how the situation was described in here it seems that they already have investigated the issue.
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@asdomencil (4265)
• Philippines
15 Nov 12
@angel, hexeduser is right, we had already investigated the issue and we got a written report from the worker and according to him, he claimed that he might done mistake in his part that's why it happened. We already reviewed all the possible sources of mistake. Since we are not in the position to terminate the person, we just give our recommendation on the possible disciplinary action and it will be reviewed by the admin and HR.
@hexeduser, you are right, sticking to the rules will retain company's intergity and strict implementation of rules and regulation.
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@Asylum (47893)
• Manchester, England
15 Nov 12
The decision to terminate a person's employment should be made solely on the severity of the incident. if another member of the workforce disagrees with the decision then they should present their argument in a more responsible manner.
The danger of succumbing to such threats is that if another person causes the same problem due to similar negligence then it would be difficult to dismiss them because a precedent has been set.
It may seem harsh, but if someone threatens to relinquish their position in defence of another who has earned dismissal then they should be allowed to do so. A company cannot afford to give in to such threats.
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@hexeduser22 (7418)
• Philippines
15 Nov 12
I agree with you. It's not the company's loss if he or she volunteers to quit his job. We can never tell if he is also partly responsible for the negligence because it was his subordinate that caused the damage in the first place.
@asdomencil (4265)
• Philippines
16 Nov 12
We checked the records of the said personnel and found out the same incident (negligence) happened already and he was given the first warning. But according to the administration and written in the rule, the warning already lapsed because it happend years ago. It is alright for us but giving a threat just to protect the person is not a good idea.
In fact there are others out there that can handle the said responsibility if he wanted to resign.
@ram_cv (16513)
• India
16 Nov 12
I think sometimes it is about taking moral responsibility. Managers are responsible for the conduct and functioning of their reportees. So if one of his reportees had done a mistake that leads to his or her termination then the manager is entitle to resign as well. But if he is doing it as just a gimmick to protect his employee, then again there are two ways to look at it. If this is a genuine mistake from which the employee can learn and not commit it again, then it is fine to protect that person. But if this is casual negligence which has a possibility to recur you cannot then protect such employees.
So depending on the complete facts only we can take a call in such situations.
Cheers!
Ram
@asdomencil (4265)
• Philippines
18 Nov 12
You are right. His emotional reaction will be also consider, however, if we does not stick to what the rule said, there might be a big effect on the mind setting of the workers for they will think that they can still make mistakes because they are being protected by their head or managers.
In this case, I would like to recommend but I am not in the position to do it that the supervisor on duty must be also penalized because it is his responsibility when that incodent happen. This will give them idea that they should properly supervise their workers to avoid such mistakes because they are the one being penalized for such acts.
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@asdomencil (4265)
• Philippines
16 Nov 12
I know that managers as well as supervisors are responsible for the work of their staff and once they commit mistake they are also responsible for this.
However, like what you said, it will really depend on the fact how the mistake happen. Furthermore, by just giving a threat to protect the staff from getting fired is not a responsible way of taking care of your subordinates.
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@vidhyaprakash_2 (7116)
• India
15 Nov 12
Hi friend, the person who did the mistake is deserved for the punishment. There is no meaning in resigning job for other person as well as don't think experienced persons don't make any mistakes. Some times experienced persons may do some mistakes with or without their knowledge due to some reasons. We must be careful while doing our job and give our uttermost to our work, if we did any mistakes in our job, we must face the consequences.
@asdomencil (4265)
• Philippines
15 Nov 12
I think if that is the one that is written in our company rules, we should adhere on that. I think sayin that he will resign if they terminate that person is an way to threaten and protect his worker. He can even train others that will have the same skills as that person but telling us he will resign because of that, is a nonsense reason.
Actually one of my colleague just controlled his temper. He told me that he will react to that statement but he just controlled himself.
@darkmeiji (48)
• Philippines
15 Nov 12
It appears that the company have rules and the people in charge are willing to follow them. I believe this shows that, when the time comes, they will be fair. The supervisor's declaration is irresponsible. He should help his subordinate defend himself instead and if he is really worth it, then the management will not remove him. By threatening instead to resign, he is forcing management to make a decision irrationally - based only on their desire to keep another employee. That is unfair to both the employer and the other employees. If he succeeded in his threat, the employer will be forced to keep an employee not worth keeping and other employees will be hassled with the effects of the negligent employee's negligence. And one more thing, if this happens to another employee, will the supervisor be willing to do the same. If yes, then it is an unhealthy management style. If no, then there definitely is favoritism somewhere there.
@asdomencil (4265)
• Philippines
16 Nov 12
I guess you are right, if the management will be threatened, this will give not only him but others that will know the situation to have the same act if one of their subordinates commits mistake because the management is afraid to loose them. The rules will be violated and the same mistake will have a great possibility to happen again.
@darkmeiji (48)
• Philippines
16 Nov 12
That's right. It would also not encourage the negligent employee to do better because he knows someone will always back him up.
@asdomencil (4265)
• Philippines
22 Nov 12
I think so. It is just because that person is the only one close to him in their area. That is one of the reason of defending him to possible termination. This already happened once on another person close to him which has been already terminated. He even point another person responsible for the negligence where in fact that person (the terminated one) already claimed his fault on the said incident.
@hexeduser22 (7418)
• Philippines
15 Nov 12
That was not a very smart or professional like move. In a company it should always be shared responsibility. Rules are rules as well. If that person is the manager or supervising the one who made the mistake in the first place then he should also be responsible as well. We have our company hierarchy to see to it if everyone is doing their job.
If I were the management I will gladly let him go. There are a lot of people who would like to get the position and might be better than him. The company will still be there even if he is gone.
The management should look for a fair and impartial individual who could replace him.
@asdomencil (4265)
• Philippines
16 Nov 12
I know he just want to protect the worker but giving a reason such like that is very irresponsible.
I just have conversation with others and they are really want to deal with what he just said. They will be really happy if he will resign since he was already in a retirement age. By the way we was actually retired but the company opted to keep him because of his experience.
@stanley777 (9402)
• Philippines
15 Nov 12
I think in every company rules,any offender if proven is given warning for the first offense, suspension on the second and termination for the third. Unless the gravity of the offense cause the company much loss, I guess it's another thing.
I don't agree with the reaction of the superior of the person found to be responsible for the holding of the product. Will tender his resignation if his man is terminated, huh. I do admired his principle fighting for his subordinates but if that person is found guilty, I think he is over reacting.
@asdomencil (4265)
• Philippines
16 Nov 12
yes, we have our own company rules too. Depending on the severity of the incident and its effect in the entire organization, he might get a warning and worst, terminated.
You are right, he just reasoned that the person is just the one he can trust in their area because he is the mist skilled one. However, they can search for others out there that haave the same capability and train them to do the same responsibility..
You are right, I admire him too in defending the person but makign a risk of telling us to resign if that person got terminated, is a senseless idea.
@natliegleb (5175)
• India
15 Nov 12
well that is a good action which you are taking here and i totally encourage you,because its sharing and playing by the rules
@asdomencil (4265)
• Philippines
15 Nov 12
That is right, sometimes it is really nice to involve in such discussions. Furthermore, sticking by the rule is a way to show that such rules are really implemented properly. Sometimes, results of repeated mistakes is such lousy implementation of rules and regulations. If termination is the action to such mistake why not implement it.
@asdomencil (4265)
• Philippines
16 Nov 12
It really depend on the company rules. He just tell this, for me as a threat, without consulting what is written in the rule and regulations.
@Shavkat (140119)
• Philippines
18 Nov 12
There will be a long process to terminate a certain person. Some rules are need to be overview, if it is not validated with the said offense in the policy of a company. Then there will be no termination, evaluation of performance is also one issue. They need to conduct performance evaluation for the basis of that employee. But then, it is not immediate termination since they need to prove the guilty. It is most likely that they it could be a suspension.
@asdomencil (4265)
• Philippines
18 Nov 12
You are right, there will be a long process in the investigation of the case. However, the operator or the worker had been already admitted that he commits mistake in the said incident. Though, he admits it, we will really try to consider what is on the company rules and regulation.
Sometimes, we also need to consider the effect of the said mistake not only in the product and consumer but in cost as well. If that will really have high cost effect on the operation, this is possible consideration for termination.
I guess, because of his performance in the evaluation of supervisors, they might consider him to stay in the company.
@Mavic123456 (21893)
• Thailand
15 Nov 12
It is his probably his supervisory style. that's why he has this guts to counteract the penalty of the one under him. Different folks with different strokes. I am sure, that the management is wise enough to handle the situation. Unless the one who is threatening to resign is the only one who knows how to handle the area and no one can replace him ever. But no one is indespensable, everyone is, specially at workforce. when there are lots of graduates without employment or underemployment.
@asdomencil (4265)
• Philippines
15 Nov 12
I think that is one way to protect his staff and you are right that it was his another stroke. I know that he used to have experience in his area but he was already on his retirement age. Some of my colleagues, as they claim, will be glad if he will leave the company because they can work better and they can manage that area even without him.