Tony doesn't like exes

@dawnald (85146)
Shingle Springs, California
January 26, 2013 3:07pm CST
I had a previous discussion where I said that Tony doesn't like my ex. And Sara rightly pointed out that I had probably unintentionally poisoned the well. When I was getting to know Tony, I told him the usual stuff that people who are dating disclose about prior relationships. Some of the things I said about why my marriage broke up probably predisposed Tony to dislike R. And then R got cranky with me in front of Tony while we were moving, and that sealed it. Fast forward 6 months. Occasionally things need to be done around here. Mostly Tony or I take care of them. But once in a while, R notices, and he will do something. My attitude is, as long as it gets fixed, I don't care who does it. And I look at it as R doing something to help his kids have a better living situation, not so much as him doing things for me. Predictably, this annoys Tony. His ex is a real piece of work. He married her because they had a child. Basically, she was a one night stand, two years later he discovered that he had a son, and they got married. Two more children later, and he was staying home with the kids while she worked. Well, after she cheated on him, and he gave up trying to make things work, she split with the kids, and he didn't see them again for 7 years. Now that they've grown up, she's done things like use her kids names to get credit, then default and leave them holding the bag. There's a lot more, but you get the idea. So the other day I decided that I needed a stick to put in the sliding glass door so that it couldn't be opened from outside when we weren't home (or when we were home for that matter). I found one that was too long, and another that was too short. Tony said he'd bring a saw by and cut the long one. Then R came by to pick up the kids, saw the stick, and asked what it was. Cary told him, and so he took it up to his mom's, cut it and brought it back. Well. Tony saw the stick, asked what was going on, and I told him. He gave me the glare, and said "no more". Not wanting to rock the boat, I said "OK". Then he made some comment about exes, and his ex. But how do I feel about this? All over the place. 1. R is not his ex. We had our issues, and he's not the man for me, but he's not somebody who would scam his kids out of money, or do any of the things that she's done. 2. I don't like being told what I can and can't do in my own house. 3. I agree that I don't want to encourage R to do things here, hang around here, possibly get false hope that there's a thaw. But I don't mind if he notices something, and decides on his own to fix it. 4. I want to respect Tony's wishes, but I don't want him to decide things for me. 5. I'd like to have a friendly relationship with R... TO A POINT. With Tony in the picture, that's a problem. I guess I really need to talk to Tony about how I feel. Blah. I don't consider this a major relationship ending problem as long as it's handled right, and we come to an understanding. But whichever of you said, in my previous discussion, that this could be a problem with my relationship with Tony seems to have nailed it. What would you do?
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@yoyo1198 (3641)
• United States
26 Jan 13
Time to have a heart-to-heart with Tony. Maybe you could even let him read your discussion here. You've done a great job of making your feelings known and he would see that if he read it.
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@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
26 Jan 13
Yeah, I need to talk to him, but I also need to discourage the ex. At least if it's something Tony was going to do, I can tell him "it's handled"...
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@mariaperalta (19073)
• Mexico
26 Jan 13
your right, your ex is the dad.. Its also a good idea to have somekind of relationship with him. Helps for you to raise the kids...
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@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
26 Jan 13
Yeah, really I'd like for them to see me getting along with him...
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
26 Jan 13
dawn I am just thinking about how irritated I got when my husband would go on about his ex wife,I did not want to hear all the details.So he finally got the message Maybe tony is feeling like that too.Yet I wold not want tony telling me what to do in my own home either. kind of a damned if you do and damned if you don't too. But do not encourage R if you can help it.
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
26 Jan 13
dawn you know you have the smarts to work this out so just believe in you,I use to be that way a lot but am getting better now. as in complaining that I did not get two of my towels back in the wash and by raising a bit of fuss one care giver found the one who had put our stuff away and she had put my missing towels in my roommates drawer instead. now before I would probably have let it go not anymore.
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@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
26 Jan 13
yesm
@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
26 Jan 13
I don't talk about him much, and I don't encourage him, but he does come around because of the kids. Yep, damned if you do or don't. Exactly.
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• United States
26 Jan 13
Your ex-husband is doing things around the house that are the domain of the husband or, in this case, the boyfriend. Of course, Tony doesn't like it; he should be the one who is doing these things. The next time R wants to do something that Tony should be doing, just smile and say, "Thanks, but Tony is going to take care of that."
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
26 Jan 13
then R wou ld be getting mad. No I think you can handle the situation with typical Dawn truth.
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@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
26 Jan 13
Yeah I will try...
@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
26 Jan 13
Yeah, I had already decided I would do that if I know in advance. I don't always. I could just tell the ex "don't do anything around here" (more politely), but I don't really want to.
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@MandaLee (3763)
• United States
26 Jan 13
Hi Dawnald, Do you think R was trying to help as his way of keeping up the home of his children? If I were you, I would let him contribute in any way he chooses. You are blessed that R wants to contribute in the first place. I wish more men would do the same. If Tony can't accept R's help and contributions, that is his deal, not yours.
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@GardenGerty (160663)
• United States
27 Jan 13
What about people respecting Dawn's feelings. . . and not boss her around but trust her to be wise enough to not let a stick become a stumbling block or a battering ram to knock down her barriers.
@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
26 Jan 13
And yet, as his partner I have to respect his feelings. Not necessarily do as he says though...
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@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
26 Jan 13
I think R just saw something that needed doing that he could easily do...
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• India
26 Jan 13
I am a new user and after going through the content, I am in fact confused with lots of emotional observations between 3 people. Still i should tell to give priority to the present reality and no need to satisfy the rest of the world un-necessary. Thnak you.
@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
26 Jan 13
Welcome to myLot. I agree the present relationship takes priority. However, I do have children with the ex, so it would be better if the relationship is peaceful.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
26 Jan 13
hi again just thinkin this relationship with tony and the x is a lot like my daily falance between good blood sugare andf bad blood not want Tony feeling pushed out yet you do not want an unpleasant relationship with ex R either as you have children together so you wish peace.hugs and God bless.
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@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
26 Jan 13
@Hatley - yep, you nailed it
@GardenGerty (160663)
• United States
27 Jan 13
I think Tony needs to read this discussion, or at least this list that is in the discussion. It really states the issues clearly as well as your feelings. You are the mom, and the homeowner, and it is your family. You should be able to make up your own mind.
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@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
27 Jan 13
Well I mostly agree with you, but I also think I need to respect his feelings, even if I disagree with the request.
@BarBaraPrz (47308)
• St. Catharines, Ontario
26 Jan 13
Well, I have my own tools, so I would have cut the stick myself. Go to the dollar store and get a hammer and saw to keep around so you can say you did things yourself if it'll make things easier.
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@BarBaraPrz (47308)
• St. Catharines, Ontario
26 Jan 13
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
26 Jan 13
hi BarBaraPrz I u sed to have my ownset of tools too bu t did not do much good as If my husband was not hearing me ask how to do something then doing it for me,my son was.I never cou ld understand how tell me how to do this is equated for them to do it for me? I was not helpless.
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@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
26 Jan 13
I have a very nice toolset, actually,but no saw...
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@SomeCowgirl (32191)
• United States
27 Jan 13
I think that while the way Tony feels about R could be pre-disposed dislike, it's also a combination of his situation with his ex (experience and distrust of exes in general), but I think he could be jealous as well. He is the man in your life and I bet he even sees how R may still be looking at you when you don't see it yourself. He may not say anything, but he may be noticing something you aren't. Talking to him and telling him that you agree you don't want to encourage R in assisting too much or giving him a reason to stick around, you also don't want to outright tell him no if you see him doing something, especially if it has anything to do with the kids. Cary told R about it, and R did something to assist. He was protecting his children by shortening the stick for you. It'd be very dangerous water to outright tell R not to fix the stick, or tell him he shouldn't have because Cary was involved. You know all this, and perhaps Tony does too, but I don't see a problem with reminding him that you want things to be delicate so as not to stir up bad air.
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@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
27 Jan 13
Yup, all spot on...
@cynthiann (18602)
• Jamaica
27 Jan 13
Sorry dawn but you cannot have it both ways. R shold not be doing things around hour home without your prior knowledge and agreement. This agreement should include Tony knowing if he is living in the house or a visiting relationship. R will always be in your life for as long as the kids are with hou etc but don't let him take over as it were, with jobs tat T could do. You were veryunhappy with R - not the same as T was with his ex but still unhappy and he would not accept that the marriage was over. Remmeber? I would not encourage him to be in the huse apart from picking up and dropping of children etc. Tired. Not sure this makes sense.
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@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
27 Jan 13
It makes perfect sense.
@vandana7 (100282)
• India
27 Jan 13
Men know men better Dawny...they know how they are wired. So if he says no, it is no. R may be ...I hate to disapoint you...hoping. Unless R has a girl of his own, it is a dangerous proposition. If you break this relationship, it is not guaranteed, you would want to go back to R or that R even wants you back...he might just be trying to get even - if I am alone so shall you type. You just got him out of your life for god's sake..and kids would want him back..so you can almost expect no help from them. If at all, they will help R wittingly, or unwittingly in that objective. Tony might have brought up old issues primarily to hide his insecurities. He has been left once, he doesnt want to be left another time. It hurts. So his first reaction was defend himself, and then try to explain why he did what he did without disclosing the actual reason for it as he also does not want you to know how vulnerable he is..its a macho thing. This is my understanding of the situation. But in general, I have found you to be wiser and more logical than me.
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@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
27 Jan 13
could be both
@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
27 Jan 13
Yeah, it's a macho thing,and yeah maybe R still has hopes....
@vandana7 (100282)
• India
27 Jan 13
Hopes or need to get even...he wants to break up your relationships and show you ...nobody other than him could have put up with you kind...it can be either way.
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@jenny1015 (13366)
• Philippines
27 Jan 13
Both you and Tony just need to talk about this whole set up. It is tru that you can not get rid of your ex coz there are kids involved. And I think that Tony would understand that. Hoping for the best.
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@GardenGerty (160663)
• United States
27 Jan 13
Tony needs to trust you more than that. YOU are not his ex either. He needs to not treat you like you are.
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@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
27 Jan 13
He does, but he doesn't like him being around for more than just pick ups and drop offs.
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@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
27 Jan 13
Oh his ex doesn't exist far as he's concerned. If he were ever to treat me like that, I'd know it's OVER.
• China
29 Jan 13
As for your stating the fact as it was to Tony when you were dating , It was not your fault,just the opposite It showed that you were open with him.Tony certainly doesn't like exes,vice versa.Generally, they both can't get along well.
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@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
29 Jan 13
When I was moving to the house I live in now my ex got nasty with me in front of Tony. Tony will never like him now.
@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
30 Jan 13
I think so
• China
30 Jan 13
Your ex should have respected himself in front of Tony.Maybe He must bear more blame than Tony for their hating each other.
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@ZoeJoy (1392)
• United States
26 Jan 13
Those one night stands can indeed have life long consequences. Umm. They are not really very wise choices. I guess he should have figured her out before that one night. Just keep the ex folks out of the picture as much as possible. The past is in the past. And that is where the ex 'whatevers' need to belong. Can't quite figure out who is who in your post but whoever you are married to now, that is your ONLY focus. And whoever you are married to now, you are his ONLY focus. Say goodbye to all the exes and move forward in your life. Let the past be way in the past.
@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
27 Jan 13
I'm not married. Tony is the boyfriend, and the ex is the children's father. I don't focus on him at all, but he does come around to pick up and drop off the children.
@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
31 Jan 13
With Tony living there, R is putting him down by doing maintenance on the house. It's like a slap in the teeth to Tony. You being OK with R doing stuff for the kids by doing maintenance on the home where you live with your new lover, is wrong IMO. It's your house and you share your home with Tony. R needs to butt out and you need to give him the push. I feel this is a situation where you need to choose and by choosing R to be OK doing these jobs is not the way to go. I don't mean in regard to the kids but that's where the line would be drawn if it was me. I don't see Tony as telling you what to do in your home but instead, he is telling you that this situation makes him pissed off and rightly so. Both you and R are undermining his position in the home. It would be very uncomfortable for me to be in Tony's shoes at this time.
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@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
31 Jan 13
except Tony doesn't live here
@katsmeow1213 (28716)
• United States
27 Jan 13
Might be a little insecure, especially since he has a history of being cheated on. In my opinion the most common cases of cheating are between people who have a history and continue to remain in contact because of children.. so he probably thinks at some point that may happen for you.. and there's really no convincing him otherwise. I would just tell him he needs to put aside his insecurities and trust you and R until you prove to be untrustworthy.
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@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
28 Jan 13
yup...
@blue65packer (11826)
• United States
29 Jan 13
I look at this situation of yours like this. R is your ex-husband and you do want to get along with him because of your kids. That is the relalationship you probaly want with him. If he wants more I know you can handle it with R. You have before. Tony's ex-wife sounds like a wonderful woman! Not! Sounds like what she is doing is identity theft with her own kids! That is not good! I hope things work out with Tony!
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@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
29 Jan 13
She really does sound like a piece of work...
@much2say (55601)
• Los Angeles, California
27 Jan 13
Well, I think for sure there definitely needs to be a talk between you and Tony about this. Because of his experiences, he seems to see R as some sort of threat. But I get the impression R really isn't a threat . . . unless I've missed some discussions, you seem to be ok and doing pretty good with the kind of relationship you have with him now. And R just happens to be the helpful sort (dare I say thoughtful?) - and to me that's rather nice. R doesn't have the marriage anymore, but it sounds like he at least still cares (I'm hearing nightmare stories from my friends about what they are going through with their exes - eek). I know you want to respect T's wishes, but he also needs to respect yours. Surely it is some kind of jealousy - I get the feeling it's that male competitiveness thing. Maybe to T he feels like R is trying to rack up some points with you, but I get the feeling R is just being R. T has insecurities - so he needs a lot of reassurance "somehow" that R is not a threat. T has to be able to trust you and not focus so much on what R does . . . I don't think these little chores R does will ever sweep you off your feet to make you want to go back to him - ha ha. Ah, good luck, Dawn!!
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@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
28 Jan 13
Pretty much right on...
@bounce58 (17387)
• Canada
29 Jan 13
I think you're right on! That you need to talk to Tony about all these things. I can see where he's coming from, disliking the 'exes'. But like you said, it wouldn't be fair to you also if you get to a point where you get told what you can and can't do. And worst scenario would be if T turns into an R. If you haven't talked to Tony yet, good luck!
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@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
30 Jan 13
I don't see that happening...
28 Jan 13
Well, since R is a good father, he's going to continue to be involved in your childrens lives. And by being involved in their lives he will be involved in your life. It's understandable that Tony doesn't like it, but he has to realize that not all exes are created equal. He also realized that he can't be controlling your life and he needs to be very careful to try not to alienate R around the kids. If the kids feel like this guy is driving their father away... well it's not going to be good for Tony.
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@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
28 Jan 13
Yeah, that wouldn't be good.