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I have noticed an increasing amount of postings listing sites that others should join. Sites such as PTR's PTC, surf sites and others. Unfortunately guys and gals 75% of what I am seeing posted are garbage sites, scams to be honest. I just came back from a posting where a member here and several others are listing one after another sites that are known scam sites. I have been in this PTR and the likes business for over 10 or 12 years and learned along the way what and what not to join... I have learned from veterans and website owners the tell tale signs of a site that is a scam... I am not posting this to push my links heck I won't even post any of the ones I use... I will give you a general idea of what to look for and what to avoid, list a few I have seen in this discussion group that are known scams, and post links if requested. To start with these are known scam sites: Surf Junky, hasn't paid one single member that I know of in the 2 plus years it's been online if anyone out there that is a member of that site can prove me wrong then do so, I invite it. Sites that pay ridiculus amounts for email like 2 I have seen in circulation on this forum one is Power-Mails, and United-Empire... Have a look here and judge for yourself if you think they can and will pay you UNITED - EMPIRE ADVERTISING PAGE: http://www.united-empire.com/pages/advertise.php POWER-MAILS ADVERTISING PAGE: http://power-mails.net/pages/advertise.php These are only 2 of them and I have seen a lot more on this forum.... Ways to know if the site(s) are a scam Check the advertising page, if they are selling advertising at a substantial loss then you will not get paid. Beware of pyrmid sites, sites that require money to make money, now why are they considered scams, and you might say that they are paying me...great that your getting paid, but you won't for long....I promise you that...as with all pyrmid sites the system has a bottom and it will fall out...my experience with those sites are this...if you invest $20.00 and make $40.00 get out of it, and if you want to reinvest again invest back your $20.00 do not invest the $40.00 as then you will lose. Thes sites are no better than gambling, take your winnings and go. I know I will probably get flamed for posting this and that people will say I am only doing this to get members to join my sites, but do you see any sites here with a referral link in them? I have seen and heard to many people joining these sites and loosing time and money, I have done the same when I first started in the business, and I want to help others to not go down the same road as I did. If you are thinking of joining a site and are not to sure about it, post it here if you wish and I can try to tell you what I know about it, or I will find all I can to help you out. I have contacts in the hundreds all over the internet and dozens of pages that I use to find the goods on all pay to sites. If you do not want to post it here then leave me a message, and I promise I will help you as I am sure others that have the same experience as me will do. Sorry about the long post but I felt this was necessary.