One way to identify a potentially violent partner

@JudyEv (340116)
Rockingham, Australia
January 31, 2019 4:09pm CST
I read a very interesting article today on domestic violence. This is a major social problem. Thankfully it is now more talked about than it once was and greater steps are being taken to help victims of such abuse. Counsellor Rob Andrew has dealt with a great many men and women, both abusers and abused. He is often asked how a person can avoid falling for the same type of people over and over. How can they recognise that a person may turn into someone who will abuse them? His countless conversations with people needing help have led him to believe that there is a way for people to recognise a potential abuser. He calls it the ‘No Test’. Basically the person needs to watch for the reaction when he/she has to say ‘no’ to a request from his/her potential friend/partner. So maybe a date has to be cancelled for some reason. While disappointment is to be expected, the danger emotion is anger. Anger or annoyance signifies a sense of ownership or power developing over the other person. Depending on the situation a certain amount of anger might be expected but I can see that such a reaction could well raise red flags. This sounded so logical to me that I’m surprised I haven’t come across something similar before. Does this sound logical to you? The photo is of a grass-tree which looks potentially prickly but other than that it has nothing to do with the discussion.
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@xFiacre (13026)
• Ireland
31 Jan 19
@judyev Taken with other stuff this sounds like a route to be explored. Abusers of course don't really show their true colours till a partner is well and truly ensnared and probably dependent.
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@nanette64 (20364)
• Fairfield, Texas
1 Feb 19
You got that right @xFiacre .
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@nanette64 (20364)
• Fairfield, Texas
2 Feb 19
@JudyEv Very true.
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@JudyEv (340116)
• Rockingham, Australia
2 Feb 19
@xFiacre @nanette64 Yes, that is true but it is something to bear in mind. Enough episodes of unreasonable reactions might at least make a person take a bit longer to commit to a relationship.
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@moffittjc (121589)
• Gainesville, Florida
1 Feb 19
Sounds very logical to me, and definitely could raise a red flag. But I wouldn't make a decision on just one episode, as the person could have just been having a bad day or something. But if you do the No test several times and get the same reaction, then it's time to say bye bye.
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@moffittjc (121589)
• Gainesville, Florida
4 Feb 19
@JudyEv I'm with you on that, but how many times does a partner stay with an abuser because they think they can change them? The odds are that they are not going to change, it's not worth the emotional, physical and psychological damage that will occur. Better to just move on.
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@JudyEv (340116)
• Rockingham, Australia
4 Feb 19
@moffittjc Certainly some stay thinking the abuser will change. By the time they realise it's not going to happen, it can be very difficult for them to leave.
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@JudyEv (340116)
• Rockingham, Australia
2 Feb 19
Of course, as you say, it can't be cut and dried on one episode but I can see if becoming annoyed is a pattern then it might be time to think again about continuing the acquaintance.
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@rsa101 (38166)
• Philippines
1 Feb 19
Looks like logical, but most of the signs and symptoms of a potentially violent partner usually shows up when the partners have already committed or they are emotionally attached to each other. Sometimes there are person that are good in hiding those emotions when they are pursuing their targets. Only a few does show early signs before the two are emotionally engaged already.
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@rsa101 (38166)
• Philippines
4 Feb 19
@JudyEv Agree on that one the earlier you are able to detect the better so you don’t have too much emotional investment on it.
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@nanette64 (20364)
• Fairfield, Texas
1 Feb 19
Exactly true @rsa101 .
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@JudyEv (340116)
• Rockingham, Australia
2 Feb 19
Yes, that is very true but it is something to be aware of if you are thinking of entering a new relationship. It may not help at all in a lot of cases.
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@snowy22315 (180767)
• United States
31 Jan 19
Yes, I think this is a good warning sign,,,and of course abuse isn't always physical.
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@nanette64 (20364)
• Fairfield, Texas
1 Feb 19
Exactly @snowy22315 . Especially when they threaten to kill your family (mom, dad, sister, brothers) if you leave them.
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@JudyEv (340116)
• Rockingham, Australia
2 Feb 19
No you're right. Abuse takes all forms.
• United Kingdom
31 Jan 19
@snowy22315 Quite right - emotional abuse or financial abuse are every bit as bad as physical abuse
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@allknowing (136478)
• India
31 Jan 19
Anger need not necessarily lead to abuse Getting angry with each other is normal and it passes off with some arguments
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@JudyEv (340116)
• Rockingham, Australia
2 Feb 19
That's is true but unreasonable anger on the part of one might be something other than normal.
@Happy2BeMe (99380)
• Canada
31 Jan 19
It makes perfect sense but when you are involved in such a relationship there are so many other things. It is one thing to talk about it and to most who haven't been in one it is why do they stay. Why don't they leave but when you are living that life leaving can be scarier then staying. I think we all know the signs but sometime people refuse to see them or think they can change them or help them or things will be different this time. As you can tell this is a soft spot for me I lived it for many years.
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@nanette64 (20364)
• Fairfield, Texas
1 Feb 19
Yeah, I thought I could "change" my husband too @Happy2BeMe . Unfortunately it took a bullet to do it.
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@nanette64 (20364)
• Fairfield, Texas
1 Feb 19
@Happy2BeMe It took him: severing all the nerves in my face and head, fracturing the cochlea of my right ear, tearing both of my rotator cuffs at the same time, 3 fractured ribs, strangling me, throwing me from a car at 35mph (cut eyebrow, both elbows split open, concrete buried in my ankles), too many black eyes (once fracturing the orbit of my left eye), broken nose (multiples; once in 3 places), smashing a rifle into my chest, smashing my head onto the counter-top, ripping handfuls of hair from my head, raping me, etc. 17 years worth.
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@Happy2BeMe (99380)
• Canada
1 Feb 19
@nanette64 and even though some people wouldn't get that I do. I am glad that at you survived it. It was must have been scary. I am thankful that it never got to that point for me before I finally found the courage to leave.
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@1hopefulman (45120)
• Canada
1 Feb 19
It seems to make sense. I was once told that anger is just one letter away from danger. Where there is anger there is danger!
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@1hopefulman (45120)
• Canada
2 Feb 19
@JudyEv One has to wonder about what happened to the love and the cherish?
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@JudyEv (340116)
• Rockingham, Australia
2 Feb 19
@1hopefulman Maybe they had their fingers crossed behind their back.
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@JudyEv (340116)
• Rockingham, Australia
2 Feb 19
That is a good saying too. Some people suffer dreadful abuse at the hands of their partner.
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@sol_cee (38219)
• Philippines
31 Jan 19
No Test- brilliant idea. People’s reaction to someone saying no to them can tell you so much about their character.
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@JudyEv (340116)
• Rockingham, Australia
2 Feb 19
That's true. I know it won't help in many cases but just sometimes it might.
• Eugene, Oregon
1 Feb 19
Seems like a logical signal to me.
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• Eugene, Oregon
3 Feb 19
@JudyEv Certainly should be a consideration.
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@JudyEv (340116)
• Rockingham, Australia
2 Feb 19
I'm sure for many it's too late to help but it does seem a logical conclusion to over-reactions on the part of a potential partner.
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@DianneN (247186)
• United States
1 Feb 19
It sounds perfectly logical to me, but illogical when the abused remains in such a relationship.
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@nanette64 (20364)
• Fairfield, Texas
1 Feb 19
By the time you realize it, you are controlled, manipulated and separated from family and friends; and the biggest factor is fear @DianneN . But you know where I'm coming from on this.
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@JudyEv (340116)
• Rockingham, Australia
2 Feb 19
It would be much better all round if the relationship can be avoided from the beginning. But I know the words are easy to write.
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@responsiveme (22926)
• India
1 Feb 19
That tree 8s to be avoided...Same way it makes sense to understand the mind space of the other in a relationship
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@JudyEv (340116)
• Rockingham, Australia
2 Feb 19
Domestic abuse is much too common I think. There needs to be ways to do something about it.
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@arunima25 (87806)
• Bangalore, India
1 Feb 19
Very informative article. This No Test sounds logical. The picture of grass tree is beautiful.
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@JudyEv (340116)
• Rockingham, Australia
2 Feb 19
It is good that these things are being talked about I think.
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@arunima25 (87806)
• Bangalore, India
2 Feb 19
@JudyEv Yes, people are getting aware of it and seeking help. They are breaking the taboo associated with it.
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@simplfred (20641)
• Philippines
31 Jan 19
Thanks for the information. The seems octopus or snaky grass capture my attention, I haven't focus well reading. Ha ha.
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@JudyEv (340116)
• Rockingham, Australia
2 Feb 19
It's a funny looking tree, isn't it?
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@simplfred (20641)
• Philippines
2 Feb 19
@JudyEv Yeah. They looks very huge or maybe just huge because it was taken close-up. My first time to see one.
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@JudyEv (340116)
• Rockingham, Australia
2 Feb 19
@simplfred We have a number of species of these grass trees.
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@CarolDM (203422)
• Nashville, Tennessee
31 Jan 19
I have had friends with warning signs and they would not listen sadly.
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@JudyEv (340116)
• Rockingham, Australia
2 Feb 19
Sometimes what is plain to an outsider just isn't so to the one it concerns.
@LadyDuck (471547)
• Switzerland
1 Feb 19
This sounds perfectly logical to me and I am sure it's an effective way to identify a violent partner. Just say no when he wants to offer a drink of something and check the reaction.
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@LadyDuck (471547)
• Switzerland
2 Feb 19
@JudyEv There are premonitory signs that should never be ignored. An excessive reaction if the woman wears a dress or smile to a stranger, those are dangerous signs.
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@JudyEv (340116)
• Rockingham, Australia
2 Feb 19
Of course, some are clever at hiding their annoyance until it is too late but for some, it would at least give you food for thought. Is the reaction unreasonable? Has it happened before? Is the reaction getting worse?
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@wolfgirl569 (106323)
• Marion, Ohio
31 Jan 19
It would be a good sign. I had never thought about that either.
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@JudyEv (340116)
• Rockingham, Australia
2 Feb 19
In many cases the abuser hides his/her character until it is too late for the other person to walk away but it does make sense.
@Fleura (30401)
• United Kingdom
1 Feb 19
You would think that it would be natural for anyone to avoid an angry potential partner, they wouldn't need to be told! But obviously that is not the case.
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@Fleura (30401)
• United Kingdom
1 Feb 19
@nanette64 That's the thing - maybe they are not so easy to spot after all.
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@nanette64 (20364)
• Fairfield, Texas
1 Feb 19
You'd be surprised at how sneaky and manipulative they can be @Fleura .
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@JudyEv (340116)
• Rockingham, Australia
2 Feb 19
Some are totally above board when you first meet them and it seems that butter wouldn't melt in their mouth.
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@acelawrites (19272)
• Philippines
31 Jan 19
I thought that prickly plant can ward off a violent partner!(joke).
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@JudyEv (340116)
• Rockingham, Australia
2 Feb 19
I think I would plant bouganvilleas all round me. If that didn't stop someone nothing would.
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@db20747 (43440)
• Washington, District Of Columbia
31 Jan 19
Yes it does!! and if you feel nervous around them!! You can test their heart around the disables, senior citizens and kids too!!
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@JudyEv (340116)
• Rockingham, Australia
2 Feb 19
That's true. How they react and behave around vulnerable people can tell you a lot about them.
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• United Kingdom
31 Jan 19
If it's that easy to spot a potential domestic abuser why do so many people (mainly women) go with or stay with such a partner?
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@JudyEv (340116)
• Rockingham, Australia
2 Feb 19
I think mostly they are cowed, made to feel unworthy, are kept from anyone who might help. The partner may threaten harm to family, friends, pets. I guess there are lots of reasons. Did you read Nanette's experiences? It is a horror story.