If Jesus is God then how does one explain?
By Hope
@1hopefulman (45120)
Canada
March 1, 2019 8:58pm CST
In spite of the expression "Son of God" appearing some 50 times in the New Testament some still believe that Jesus is the Almighty God. Do you believe that?
I have read the Bible many times and that idea that Jesus Christ is the Most High God seems very illogical to me. I am not against people reaching a different conclusion than me.
I will state a few reasons why I have not reached the conclusion that Jesus is the Almighty God.
1) Matthew 26:39 (KJV) 39 And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
If Jesus' Father is God, how can Jesus be God? Why is Jesus praying to his Father if he is God?
2) John 14:28 (KJV) 28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
If Jesus is the Almighty God, why and how can the Father be greater than him?
3) Mark 10:18 (KJV) 18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
If Jesus is God then why would he not be good? Can God be bad?
4) 1 Peter 1:3 (KJV) 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
If Jesus is God than how can somebody else be the God of Jesus?
5) 1 Corinthians 11:3 (KJV) 3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
If Jesus is God then how can Jesus have someone above him?
6) Mark 13:32 (KJV) 32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
If Jesus is God how can there be something that Jesus doesn't know but his Father does? God and Jesus cannot be the same person and Jesus cannot be the Almighty God.
7) Revelation 1:1 (KJV) 1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
How can God give something to Jesus if they are the same person? God and Jesus like any father and son are two different persons. The father gives life to his son.
What are your thoughts? What do you think?
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19 responses
@andriaperry (116936)
• Anniston, Alabama
2 Mar 19
God the father, Jesus the son.
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@sofssu (23662)
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2 Mar 19
He is a part of the trinity , If you believe in the trinity you believe He is God. If not them your faith is different. What matters is.. he is our redemption, he alone is our righteousness and in him alone is salvation. That is enough to be saved. The rest is for debate and wracking our peanut nut sized brain to understand the almighty God.
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@1hopefulman (45120)
• Canada
7 Mar 19
No, I don't believe in Trinity I have never found the word Trinity in any Bible.
Matthew 3:17 (KJV) 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
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@toniganzon (72281)
• Philippines
2 Mar 19
actually the New Testament confuses me and I just couldn't connect the dots on how Jesus is also the God the father.
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@toniganzon (72281)
• Philippines
2 Mar 19
@KlyliePot No it's not because Christians taught as that God and Jesus are one and the same. And I don't find the New Testament simple at all. I stick to the old testament.
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@toniganzon (72281)
• Philippines
2 Mar 19
@LowRiderX Sorry but I don't find clarity in the new testament. I find the old testament easier.
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@LowRiderX (22903)
• Serbia
2 Mar 19
@toniganzon There is nothing confusing 
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• Canada
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@innertalks (21921)
• Australia
6 Mar 19
Interesting analysis Felix.
The Bible does hint at the opposite of what you say there too though, in some ways.
"I and the Father are one."
Jesus says this in John, chapter 10, verse 30.
God once described himself to Moses by saying to him, "I am who I am." Exodus chapter, 3, verse 14.
Jesus used the same words "I am" in John, chapter 8, verse 58.
"Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am."
Jesus was killed for saying that he was the same as God. It was considered blasphemy.
The father is the creator, and his word is final in all things.
Jesus, God's son is God's mouthpiece and speaks his words, and Jesus issues from his father, faithful to him in all ways, whereas the spirit is common to both God and Jesus.
Both are full of the spirit, both use it for conveying messages to each other and as a repository for their wisdom and truth. The holy spirit is their book of life, so to speak, in which all is recorded, and all is passed on, available through this medium, to all who allow it to fill themselves too.
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@1hopefulman (45120)
• Canada
6 Mar 19
Thank you! I look forward to having an interesting discussion on this subject. I will deal with one point at the time.
"I and the Father are one." One what?
See Matthew 19:5. A husband and his wife become one flesh, yet they are still two different people so the "one flesh" is one in purpose, in making the marriage a success.
The context of the statement "I and the Father are one." is one concerning their relationship with the sheep or the disciples that no one can take them either out of the hand of the Father nor the Son because they are united in purpose, in caring for them and protecting them. See John 18:28,29.
John 17:21 shows that we all must be one, that is united in purpose, cooperating with one another, working together so that there a harmonious universe.
In an orchestra there are many musicians but when playing they are all playing one song.
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@innertalks (21921)
• Australia
6 Mar 19
@1hopefulman When we talk of the "ulltimate" one, this is God, because all things exist within God, under God.
This idea of oneness comes more from other religions than it does from Christianity.
Taoism says something like this:
We can deny the oneness of the Tao, but our denial counts for nothing. The Tao remains one Tao.
Substitute the word "Tao" here for "God" and we have a pretty good description of the concept of what oneness is.
We can deny the oneness of God, but our denial counts for nothing. God remains one God.
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@1hopefulman (45120)
• Canada
7 Mar 19
@innertalks When it comes to oneness (unity) with God, I find John 17:21-26 very interesting.
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@LowRiderX (22903)
• Serbia
2 Mar 19
@KlyliePot Jesus can not be God if God is greater than Him. The Christian belief that the Father and the Son are equal is in clear contrast with the clear words of Jesus.
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@1hopefulman (45120)
• Canada
3 Mar 19
@LowRiderX Yes, Jesus is not God Almighty but the Son of God as stated over 50 times in the King James Version of the Bible. When God started creation, the first creation was a spirit son which when on earth came to be known as Jesus Christ. Adam was also a son of God. He was the first human son he created.
Revelation 3:14 (KJV) 14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
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@LowRiderX (22903)
• Serbia
3 Mar 19
@1hopefulman I like the explanation. It seemed to me that there was some confusion about it. Thank you
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
4 May 19
For the Catholics and Protestants the great Council of Nicea was meant to settle that debate. Fir us Christians who aren't of the Eucheristic denominations it isn't so cut and dry.
I agree with you. I believe in the Godhead not the Trinity. God the Father, Jesus the Christ and the Holy Ghost. Three individuals, one in purpose.
We're supposed to become One with Christ ourselves. But that doesn't mean we become Christ.
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@1hopefulman (45120)
• Canada
4 May 19
Like a husband and wife become one but they remain different and separate individuals. The oneness is becoming united in goals and purposes. Like the body that has many members but all cooperate and are in harmony.
We are one with God and Jesus but remain who we are but work towards the same purpose that God sets.
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@1hopefulman (45120)
• Canada
4 Mar 19
Yes, that is what the scriptures portray.
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@May2k8 (18364)
• Indonesia
2 Mar 19
I am a Muslim, believe if Jesus is the equivalent of a prophet, and these two verses as proof:
"Surely the creation of heaven and earth is greater than the creation of humans, but most people do not know." (Al-Mu'min / Ghaafir: 57)
"Allah's Exalted One has revealed al-Furqaan (al-Qur'an) to His servants, so that he becomes a reminder to all nature; which belongs to Him alone is the kingdom of heaven and earth, and He has no child, and there is no ally for Him in (His)power, and He has created all things, and He sets its measurements neatly. "(Al -Furqaan: 2)
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@1hopefulman (45120)
• Canada
7 Mar 19
Thank you for the information. I am a Christian and believe in the Holy Bible.
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@1hopefulman (45120)
• Canada
3 Mar 19
I have many questions when somebody tells me something that doesn't seem to make any sense to me.
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@LadyDuck (471459)
• Switzerland
4 Mar 19
@1hopefulman I stopped asking questions as they were not ready to answer.
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@1hopefulman (45120)
• Canada
23 May 19
@db20747 Please explain how God and Jesus are "one'?
John 12:28 (Easy-to-Read Version) 28 Father, do what will bring you glory!” Then a voice came from heaven, “I have already brought glory to myself. I will do it again.”
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@db20747 (43440)
• Washington, District Of Columbia
23 May 19
@1hopefulman are one!
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@1hopefulman (45120)
• Canada
15 Mar 19
@dya80dya I was once told that when God made Adam that he practicing and when God made woman it was perfection. 
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@1hopefulman (45120)
• Canada
14 Mar 19
Yes, I agree that Jesus is the Son of God. God created man and woman but He created the man first and the woman out of man.
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@dya80dya (36657)
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14 Mar 19
@1hopefulman And this is why men think they are superior? He created the man first, Jesus was a man, God is a father. No women here.
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@erictsuma (9726)
• Mombasa, Kenya
2 Mar 19
Jesus is God because he came to this world in form of a human so that many people will believe him and follow his religion.
follows his religion.
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@1hopefulman (45120)
• Canada
7 Mar 19
I believe as it says in the Bible over 50 times that Jesus is the Son of God.
Matthew 3:17 (KJV) 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
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@karibe (686)
• Venezuela
7 Mar 19
The clarity and simplicity of the truth that emerges both in the Old Testament and in the New Testament has been obscured by the doctrine of the Trinity that says that God the Father, Jesus the Son and the Holy Spirit are three independent persons who form one single unit. .
GOD the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ, His Son, two wonderful and independent beings are united by the relationship that unites each father with each child.
Those who promote the doctrine of the Trinity and affirm that Jesus Christ is God are forgetting that knowledge and understanding of redemption are based on the fact that one man sinned and another man freed us from sin and its consequences. That is, if Jesus Christ were God, the lost would be lost and could not be redeemed.
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@1hopefulman (45120)
• Canada
8 Mar 19
I think that we pretty much agree on the fact that Yahweh (Jehovah) and Jesus (Yeshua) are two different entities.
Matthew 17:5 (KJV) 5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
Do you also agree with all the points I made in the post for discussion?
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@1hopefulman (45120)
• Canada
9 Mar 19
@karibe Yes, we have to understand what the Bible teaches and base our lives on the truth found in the Bible. John 17:17 (KJV) 17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
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@karibe (686)
• Venezuela
9 Mar 19
@1hopefulman Yes, yes, I completely agree with you at every point of your discussion. Jesus Christ is not GOD but the Son of God, his Christ, which is what the Truth of the Word says. But the best thing is that you and I agree with The Word that is Truth.
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@buenavida (9984)
• Sweden
3 Mar 19
We see how clearly the Bible shows that God is the Father and Jesus is his son. Even the "Old testament" has a lot of prophecies that were fulfilled in Jesus and describes the loving relationship between with God and his son.
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@buenavida (9984)
• Sweden
7 Mar 19
@1hopefulman Yes, it seems to make people believe almost anything .. Also Hinduism and other religions believe in trinities..
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@1hopefulman (45120)
• Canada
8 Mar 19
@buenavida Yes, there are trinities but the word trinity does not come from the Bible.
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@1hopefulman (45120)
• Canada
7 Mar 19
It seems so obvious but others have different opinions and beliefs.
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@LovingMyBabies (85288)
• Valdosta, Georgia
4 Mar 19
God is our Father--Jesus is His son as we are sons and daughters of God. =)
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@BelleStarr (61102)
• United States
6 Mar 19
It does not have to be explained it is all about faith. You have your faith, I have mine and you will never shake mine, it is as simple as that. I respect you and I expect you to respect me.
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@1hopefulman (45120)
• Canada
6 Mar 19
Of course! God loves us all and He will guide anyone with a good heart into the ways of truth, some sooner and some later.2 people like this
@1hopefulman (45120)
• Canada
3 May 19
True! Not all open their eyes, mind and heart.
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