You won't be going to Vietnam

@JudyEv (343145)
Rockingham, Australia
July 2, 2020 7:55pm CST
Going through some files yesterday, I came across the above document which says that my husband, Vince, escaped being drafted into the services and so was exempted from going to Vietnam. National conscription had been brought into Australia some years before but, in 1966, it was announced that units would be sent to South Vietnam to fight with the Australian Regular Army and for secondment to American forces. Selection of conscripts was by drawing a birth date from a hat and if your birthday happened to fall on that day you were destined for the army. Apparently the dates were announced over the radio and families would be glued to their radio sets waiting to hear the dates. Conscription ended in December 1972. Of the 63,735 national servicemen who served in the Army, 15,381 were deployed to Vietnam. Many of those who returned are still trying to recover from the experience.
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@LadyDuck (472340)
• Switzerland
3 Jul 20
My husband has a similar piece of paper, he was exempted because his father was seriously sick and my husband had to take care of his Dad's business.
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@LadyDuck (472340)
• Switzerland
3 Jul 20
@JudyEv My father was at the Italian front during 4 years during WWII, those were though times for sure.
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@JudyEv (343145)
• Rockingham, Australia
3 Jul 20
That was fortunate really. My father missed out on World War II because he was a farmer. My mother had three brothers. Two enlisted and one stayed on the farm. They were tough times then too, weren't they?
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@JudyEv (343145)
• Rockingham, Australia
4 Jul 20
@LadyDuck It must have been hard for your mother, being without her husband.
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• Agra, India
3 Jul 20
That appears to be a big struggle
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@JudyEv (343145)
• Rockingham, Australia
3 Jul 20
The Vietnam war was a very tragic event.
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@JudyEv (343145)
• Rockingham, Australia
3 Jul 20
@amitkokiladitya Yes, that's true but Vietnam should never have happened really.
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• Agra, India
3 Jul 20
@JudyEv I guess every war is a tragic event
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@xFiacre (13247)
• Ireland
3 Jul 20
@judyev I remember my cousin being called up that way. His mother was distraught and very angry.
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@JudyEv (343145)
• Rockingham, Australia
3 Jul 20
It was just a lottery. Those who returned were snuck in through the back door and treated very badly by most of the public - as if it were all their fault.
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@DianneN (247184)
• United States
3 Jul 20
My husband was worried, too, but was deferred due to the importance of his job. I know a few who won't even discuss their experiences there. Very understandable.
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@DianneN (247184)
• United States
4 Jul 20
@JudyEv PSTD
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@JudyEv (343145)
• Rockingham, Australia
5 Jul 20
@DianneN PSTD accounts for a great many of the affected men.
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@JudyEv (343145)
• Rockingham, Australia
4 Jul 20
It certainly scarred them all. For many, the trauma didn't really hit till years later.
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@arunima25 (88000)
• Bangalore, India
3 Jul 20
Vince had a lucky escape. Stories from Vietnam come out so shocking and heart breaking. Soilders have carried on a mental agony for long even after they left the place.
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@JudyEv (343145)
• Rockingham, Australia
3 Jul 20
Some of his friends suffer now from their experiences. Some were okay for some years but then it seems the experiences all caught up with them. Many mental problems as well as physical ones.
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@arunima25 (88000)
• Bangalore, India
3 Jul 20
@JudyEv Vietnam war has been the most tragic event in war history. A few years back my husband visited the place. He was into tears literally to see the War memorial there. The place is simply beautiful and he was actually very touched by the simplicity and honesty of people there.
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@DocAndersen (54402)
• United States
3 Jul 20
I have my grandfather's WWI paperwork and my father's discharge papers. That is such a cool letter!
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@JudyEv (343145)
• Rockingham, Australia
4 Jul 20
Thanks. Wars have changed so much since your grandfather's time. It's good you have those records.
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@JudyEv (343145)
• Rockingham, Australia
5 Jul 20
@DocAndersen Do you have any photos?
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@DocAndersen (54402)
• United States
4 Jul 20
@JudyEv i actually have his service guide (a small book) and his service bible. He was in the 101st cavalry 1918.
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@marguicha (224172)
• Chile
3 Jul 20
Even unreal movies about the Vietnam was are too painful to be seen. I´m glad that your husband didn´t go. But problems should not be turned into wars.
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@marguicha (224172)
• Chile
4 Jul 20
@JudyEv There are many moving films with that subject. But it did not have to happen.
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@JudyEv (343145)
• Rockingham, Australia
4 Jul 20
@marguicha Exactly.
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@JudyEv (343145)
• Rockingham, Australia
3 Jul 20
Exactly. Our boys got a very bad reception when they came home but none of it was the fault of the soldiers.
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@rebelann (113111)
• El Paso, Texas
3 Jul 20
I had no idea that Australia was also involved with Vietnam. So many of the veterans still have lingering problems with their experiences over there.
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@rebelann (113111)
• El Paso, Texas
3 Jul 20
In California they did the same thing, many brave soldiers upon their return were spit upon and booed as they got off the planes @JudyEv Vietnam vets had a hard time reintegrating into US society once they got back. I did hear that those soldiers lucky enough to be brought into other areas weren't met with that much disdain but none received a heroes welcome. Here in El Paso we have a lot of Vietnam vets and none of them want to have anything to do with California.
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@JudyEv (343145)
• Rockingham, Australia
3 Jul 20
Our boys were treated very badly when they returned. Anyone would think they started the war.
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@JudyEv (343145)
• Rockingham, Australia
4 Jul 20
@rebelann No wonder they have huge mental problems.
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@jstory07 (140610)
• Roseburg, Oregon
3 Jul 20
I bet he was glad he did not go to Vietnam. My oldest brother was in Vietnam when he was in the Army.
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@jstory07 (140610)
• Roseburg, Oregon
3 Jul 20
@JudyEv No it was a bad experience.
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@JudyEv (343145)
• Rockingham, Australia
3 Jul 20
It wasn't a fun time for them, was it?
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@thelme55 (77162)
• Germany
3 Jul 20
I think it was good that Vince was not in the Vietnam war. That would be a horrifying experience for him if he were there.
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@JudyEv (343145)
• Rockingham, Australia
4 Jul 20
Yes, it would have been terrible for him as he isn't tall and was very thin then, and not athletic. It would have been awful.
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@thelme55 (77162)
• Germany
4 Jul 20
@JudyEv Yes, that would have been awful.
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@Hannihar (130213)
• Israel
3 Jul 20
@JudyEv That was some experience. I was living in the States at that time. I remember when the soldiers returned and were not treated very well. That was some war.
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@JudyEv (343145)
• Rockingham, Australia
3 Jul 20
Our soldiers were very badly treated when they returned. None of them wanted to go.
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@JudyEv (343145)
• Rockingham, Australia
4 Jul 20
@Hannihar That is how it should be.
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@Hannihar (130213)
• Israel
3 Jul 20
@JudyEv I cannot remember if the American ones wanted to go,but, they thought they would get a better homecoming than they received. Here in Israel our guys go to the Army not only for their families, but, for this country and the citizens. They are very proud soldiers and we welcome them back when they come home if they fight not on our land.
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@nitirrbb7 (4317)
• India
4 Jul 20
I don't understand why leave our own country and fight in some other, we are supposed to serve and protect our nation why go and die serving others land?
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@JudyEv (343145)
• Rockingham, Australia
4 Jul 20
For sure. It was mostly all about the US meddling in others' affairs.
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@JudyEv (343145)
• Rockingham, Australia
4 Jul 20
@nitirrbb7 Our soldiers are still fighting overseas in Afghanistan and other countries.
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@nitirrbb7 (4317)
• India
4 Jul 20
@JudyEv Seriously! soldiers are humans not machines place them anywhere the authority wishes. I hope now they don't do all that? Serving the Army is Pride but just for our own Motherland.
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@CarolDM (203422)
• Nashville, Tennessee
3 Jul 20
That was a very hard time in history. So glad Vince was spared.
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@JudyEv (343145)
• Rockingham, Australia
4 Jul 20
Me too. A lot of the guys in my school year went to Vietnam. Many don't want to talk about it.
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@CarolDM (203422)
• Nashville, Tennessee
4 Jul 20
@JudyEv Bad memories I am sure.
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@cperry2 (5608)
• Newport, Oregon
3 Jul 20
Vince was indeed lucky. Many who came back here, are likewise still carrying the mental scars from their experiences there. I joined the services, and never left the states. I am not complaining about that. They wanted me to re-enlist at the end of my term, I said no, thank you, and went into college instead.
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@cperry2 (5608)
• Newport, Oregon
3 Jul 20
@JudyEv By the end of the Vietnam War, a returning veteran here was more like to be spit upon rather than welcomed. Sometimes there were people in the lobbies of airports screaming "Baby Killers" or some such. Here in the US at its end, that war was very unpopular. I do not understand why the soldiers were thought responsible. They only did their duty, They were drafted and had the choice of fleeing the country or doing what they were drafted to do. Most followed the rules. Others burned their draft cards and ran away to Canada. I remember watching this stuff on the news. Right after I joined, President Nixon killed the draft in the US. (It was my 12th day of basic training.)
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@JudyEv (343145)
• Rockingham, Australia
3 Jul 20
@cperry2 That's what happened in Australia. They were brought home through the back door, not given a welcome or any recognition. Like your soldiers, they didn't ask to go. They had no option. It was very bad. No wonder they had such mental issues later.
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@cperry2 (5608)
• Newport, Oregon
3 Jul 20
@JudyEv I guess I was lucky because I missed all of that, never leaving the states, I barely left the State of Texas where I was living when I entered. But being in the Air Force would have kept me away from most of the fighting I think. Rules have changed since I was in though. Nowadays, it makes no difference what branch of service one is in, they are all being sent on tours into hot spots.
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@allen0187 (58582)
• Philippines
3 Jul 20
People were sent to Vietnam to fight in a war that has nothing to do with them.
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@allen0187 (58582)
• Philippines
4 Jul 20
@JudyEv no one wins in a war. Those that win are venture capitalists that fund the war.
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@JudyEv (343145)
• Rockingham, Australia
3 Jul 20
Exactly. It was pretty disgusting really - young men treated, again, as cannon fodder.
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@cherriefic (10399)
• Philippines
4 Jul 20
That may be really traumatic. Hopefully, it will not happen soon.
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@JudyEv (343145)
• Rockingham, Australia
4 Jul 20
Did you read the text? This all happened back in 1967.
@marlina (154130)
• Canada
3 Jul 20
Interesting, my Dad was exempted as he had a business which employed 11 men and he was also the father of 6 children,
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@JudyEv (343145)
• Rockingham, Australia
4 Jul 20
It's good he was exempted. It wasn't a good war to be involved in.
@wolfgirl569 (109304)
• Marion, Ohio
3 Jul 20
Glad he didnt have to go. Hubby still sometimes has bad dreams from being there.
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@wolfgirl569 (109304)
• Marion, Ohio
3 Jul 20
@JudyEv Hubby is not too bad. It just sometimes comes back
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@JudyEv (343145)
• Rockingham, Australia
3 Jul 20
Vince plays golf with three vets who are all classified as TPI. (Totally and permanently incapacitated)
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@Alexandoy (65308)
• Cainta, Philippines
3 Jul 20
Vince is lucky that he was not sent to Vietnam. There are so many horror tales on the experience of soldiers there.
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@JudyEv (343145)
• Rockingham, Australia
3 Jul 20
He was indeed lucky. It was a very dreadful time for all those involved.
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@Alexandoy (65308)
• Cainta, Philippines
3 Jul 20
@JudyEv Vietnam was hell in those times.
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@LindaOHio (183775)
• United States
3 Jul 20
I'm glad your husband didn't have to go to Vietnam. My husband served in Korea around 1962-1965.
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@JudyEv (343145)
• Rockingham, Australia
4 Jul 20
I'm sure that was traumatic enough.
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