The historical model of Trump's coup d'État attempt
By topffer
@topffer (42156)
France
January 10, 2021 4:15am CST
I hesitated a bit before posting this. However staying silent is being guilty when something important like this happens, although I cannot be considered like an accomplice, being blocked by the worst Trump supporters we have on myLot, and I am proud of it.
Also History is in my areas of expertise, and most of populists are lacking of basic historical knowledge, so this might be useful, including for them.
Since about three months the newspapers were full of informations about Trump preparing a coup ; the January 6th 2021 attempt should have surprised nobody, Trump being a man of words. Where he and his advisors took their inspiration ?
The Trump's coup historical model had nothing to do with the coups that happened during the French Revolution. To success, a French like coup needs to have a majority in one of the chambers of the parliament, and the Republican majority in the Senate was not a Trumpian majority. An hour before the mob invaded the Capitol, Mitch McConnell gave a pro-democracy speech in the Senate worth to be reproduced in any future American History school book.
It had also nothing to do with the Russian coup of October 1917, although the way Trump tried during four years to find and test the failures and weaknesses of the American democracy is similar to the approach of the Russian empire by Lenin. Too long to explain here, but Trump and Lenin are twins, intellectually speaking.
The obvious model was the Hitler's Beer Hall Putsch of November 1923 in Munich, itself inspired by the Mussolini's March on Rome of October 1922. I read on a Yahoo article a journalist calling the January 6th insurrection a "Beer Belly Putsch". Funny, but America should not treat it as lightly than the Republic of Weimar did : Hitler was sentenced to 5 years of jail and freed after only 9 months. We know what followed.
The reference to a Nazi coup is not that surprising, "America First" was already the slogan of pro-Nazis Americans in the 1930's and the far rights around the world are putting the Nazi regime at the top of their pyramid. The mob at the Capitol was including many "Proud boys", "QAnon" and other white supremacists, useful idiots that would have been eliminated soon after the coup if they had been violent enough to permit to Trump to declare martial law using the 1807 Insurrection Act and obtain full powers. Good bye US democracy ! In Nazi Germany this has been called the Night of long knives. This level is absolutely necessary to get the support of the moderate average citizen, so Trump disowning the mob at the Capitol is also not surprising.
I hope you learned something, this was my goal.
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@crazyhorseladycx (39509)
• United States
13 Jan 21
thanks fer sharin' yer knowledge 'n thoughts, hon. those who could'a/should'a prevented this did nothin'. 'twas plain knowledge this 'twas'n the works e'en prior to the actual election. he'd been schemin' fer some years prior to him runnin' fer president, gettin' his 'supporters' slowly twisted 'nto believin' what 'twas not there.
'tis very sad to me 's i've family members 'n dear, long time friends who still believe he's bein' misjudged 'n mistreated....i jest hope they don't drink the kool-aid when told to.
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@topffer (42156)
• France
14 Jan 21
@crazyhorseladycx You are more pessimistic than me, I will be reassured after the inauguration. It was a pity to watch Trump destroying the brand image of USA in the world during 4 years, and his supporters approving him. I hope that he will never be able to come back.
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@crazyhorseladycx (39509)
• United States
14 Jan 21
@topffer i don't share 'em here either. so many go ballistic defendin' his actions... i did read such 'n 'gree with ya. the u.s. intelligence 'd prior knowledge, 'd been followin' the 'hidden' chatter 'mong the 'groups' that were there, 's well's the presidents tweets'n other 'schtuff'. nothin' 'twas done. i'm quite certain that once all're investigated many should/will be charged federally'n i hope they all rot'n prison.
they've beefed'p security all 'round the capitol. loads 'f national guardsmen/women with proper gear 'n diff'rent orders. 'tis a shame such 'twas not done prior, eh? i hope we're both'n err....but'm purty certain such'll not end though, e'en 'fter the inauguration.
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@crazyhorseladycx (39509)
• United States
17 Jan 21
@topffer pessimistic? 'n here i thought i 'twas bein' optimistic 'bout the fiascoes, lol. there's many, many folks who're still denyin' he lost the election. they feel he did a superb job 'n 're very, very cranky 'n fearful 'f what biden'll bring to the table.
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@lazydaizee (6735)
• United Kingdom
10 Jan 21
It will be interesting to see what happens in the end.
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@FourWalls (68043)
• United States
10 Jan 21
I was just thinking this morning that, if Twitter had been around in the 20s and 30s, Hitler would never have needed Goebbels.
You’re right. In fact, I mentioned yesterday that the next thing on the agenda is for orange face to write a book while in prison.
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@topffer (42156)
• France
10 Jan 21
Not sure, Trump has not invented his coup himself, he needed somebody smarter like Goebbels was for Hitler. Goebbels had a PhD of Philology from the university of Heidelberg, one of the most prestigious in Germany. There are several people from Harvard and other great colleges around Trump. In fact the German crowds like the mob of the Capitol were manipulated by a top elite.
I hope that he will be sentenced to something more serious than the 5 years given to Hitler. And for giving him a pen and paper, you should think twice at it.
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@topffer (42156)
• France
10 Jan 21
@FourWalls He may write Mein Kampf for Americans, targeting not the Jews (if I remember he has some in his family), but the latinos or the blacks...
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@FourWalls (68043)
• United States
10 Jan 21
@topffer — he can have all the paper he wants. Just no Twitter.
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@topffer (42156)
• France
12 Jan 21
He is still supported by 60% of Republicans, it is incomprehensible, but with such a support he can indeed try another coup on inauguration day. I believe that anywhere else he would have been arrested by order of the parliament, but Americans have never seen a coup and are underestimating the risks.
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@LindaOHio (178806)
• United States
10 Jan 21
Thank you for all of this interesting information. It's always good to see you here. I think the whole White House situation is far from over.
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@BarBaraPrz (47314)
• St. Catharines, Ontario
10 Jan 21
To quote Phyllis Smallman in the novel Margarita Nights "Whoever heard of elected officials who didn't have the people's best interests in mind?"
Yes, I'm sure her tongue was firmly in her cheek...
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@topffer (42156)
• France
10 Jan 21
Good quote, I should read this novel In the case of the Capitol coup I think the main accomplices should be held responsible. Alright to not sue those who changed their mind before the riot to defend democracy, like McConnell, but those who supported Trump during the coup and even the day after, like Ted Cruz, should definitely lose their rights to vote and to be elected, to avoid another coup in a near future. This with the world's best interest in mind. I cannot imagine Europe or Canada giving sanctions to USA because they stopped to be a democracy. And it would not be easy.
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@lovinangelsinstead21 (36850)
• Pamplona, Spain
11 Jan 21
Apart from all that tops which we know about he would have been seen better helping people out instead of well I am not going to say that here.
I see it all from a neutral stance because I choose to do so violence is dominant here a guy was going to push me over the other day saying I was in his path of course his path was all zig zag as he had had one too many get it lo pillas?
What I felt in me was to retaliate but at the same time I am very capable of being the watcher on the hills.
If he had pushed me over hell would not have stopped me dragging through all the courts from here to China and back again vamos I am not a walk over.
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@lovinangelsinstead21 (36850)
• Pamplona, Spain
12 Jan 21
@topffer
Not as bad as in France no.
I find it qutie silly to put a time like that on people lots of situations can make you late getting home its like they are finding anyway they can to fine you.
Thank you for the good wishes too.
Hope you like this one its showing how politics.
"Una vez analizada la situación creemos que ha llegado el momento de modernizarse. Y para ello contamos con Wilson Rodríguez, experto asesor de imagen y anal...
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@topffer (42156)
• France
12 Jan 21
@lovinangelsinstead21 Yes, they work hard to find new ways to fine people. Sometimes it turns bad : in Bayonne the police shot a woman during the night who ran with her car on a policeman to not be caught and fined. They are making us crazy.
Funny video, thank you
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@topffer (42156)
• France
11 Jan 21
The guy was perhaps drunk, and I prefer to not tell a word in this case. It reminds me a story about a drunk man leaving a bar. In the street he sees a nun, jumps on her, punched her, and in 2 seconds it is the knock out. He looks at her on the ground and tells : "Batman, you deceived me !"
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@much2say (55616)
• Los Angeles, California
26 Jan 21
It wasn't surprising exactly, but it was shocking anyway. But it makes you wonder why wasn't security much tighter . . . it was as if they were almost let in . . . and then we hear about tours of the capitol from the day before ? Many things just don't add up - and I don't understand how people still continue to stand behind him or think he shouldn't be held accountable for his actions now that he is no longer president. What, just forget about it? His supporters still say he didn't instigate anything . . . are they kidding me? It's not only about his speech of that day . . . it had been a build up leading to this. None of this was ok. He and all who enabled him need to pay for this. Oh what a thorn for our history books - and it isn't even over .